Lots of assumptions there Dawg. Let's see what comes out in trial. I have many of the same thoughts as you. But something tells me Zimmerman got what he was looking for, a chance to play cops, and was suddenly like "Oh shit!!". He panicked and during the struggle killed a guy. I believe he fucked up and another person is dead. He should be held accountable for that. Having said that, this is all my opinion based on limited information. Now, let's see if our justice system can handle this shit storm and deliver justice to all parties involved.houndawg wrote:Zimmerman phone trail sounds like he has been busting for a chance to shoot hissef a nigra and get away with it for some time now, and he may have just achieved his heart's desire.
Hard to picture a guy so wimpy that he is over matched when he has a pistol, makes more sense that he knew what the sitch had to be for him to get away with murder and he worked hard to put himself in just that situation. No way somebody with a gun, in hot pursuit, (and how did that pudgy little phuck chase down a teenager anyway), lets the alleged perp turn on him and grapple.
How many people who have ever been in a fist fight feared for their life? If you didn't have a sidearm that she was going after, would you have then feared for your life? In my opinion, no. But these days any wannabe little bitch who wants to pretend to be a man can carry a weapon to "protect himself". Not to mention at the drop of a hat can then use said weapon, and the only thing he has to say is " I fear for my life ".CID1990 wrote:Ah, young Padawan! Interesting that you would bring this up.eagleskins wrote:Zimmerman has to be about the biggest pussy on the planet..how does an armed man get his azz handed to him to by a 16 year old weighing a buck and a quarter?
That will be one of the reasons Zimmerman is going to walk. He was trained in concealed carry and the attendant responsibilities, which means he did mot just walk up to the kid and shoot him. Forget that he was armed. If Martin turned on him because Zim was following him, and then began to beat on him, then the gun does not come into play until Zimmerman begins to fear for his health. Second, once the fight begins, Zimmerman is also at a disadvantage because he has to protect the weapon (so that it does not become Martin's weapon) while simultaneously defending himself. Once you get hand to hand with someone, that gun belongs to both parties. Zimmerman does not even have to show that he was in fesr fir his life. He merely has to show that he was in fear of losing consciousness, which would ALSO place a reasonable person in fear for his life, because at that point the gun belongs to Trayvon.
The second worst fight I was ever involved in during 17 years of law enforcement was with a 15 year old girl half my size. She had my pistol unsnapped and it was in a school, so whipping her butt was not priority number 1 at that point.
In many cases, relative size has very little to do with the outcome of a fight.
True dat, many assumptions. But I see a lot of that mentality out there these days. You know, it's funny, back in the day if you pulled a weapon you would have had your man card revoked and been known far and wide a a pussy. We used to fight the chicano kids behind Jack in the Box on slow weekends and you never saw a weapon. Once when there were eight of us and nine of them they made one of their guys sit out; said they didn't want to hear any excuses around town about kicking our asses because we were outnumbered. People had some honor.death dealer wrote:Lots of assumptions there Dawg. Let's see what comes out in trial. I have many of the same thoughts as you. But something tells me Zimmerman got what he was looking for, a chance to play cops, and was suddenly like "Oh ****!!". He panicked and during the struggle killed a guy. I believe he **** up and another person is dead. He should be held accountable for that. Having said that, this is all my opinion based on limited information. Now, let's see if our justice system can handle this **** storm and deliver justice to all parties involved.houndawg wrote:Zimmerman phone trail sounds like he has been busting for a chance to shoot hissef a nigra and get away with it for some time now, and he may have just achieved his heart's desire.
Hard to picture a guy so wimpy that he is over matched when he has a pistol, makes more sense that he knew what the sitch had to be for him to get away with murder and he worked hard to put himself in just that situation. No way somebody with a gun, in hot pursuit, (and how did that pudgy little phuck chase down a teenager anyway), lets the alleged perp turn on him and grapple.
Then take this into account and dont fu*k with people. Its really that simple.....if you dont prepare to suffer the consequences.polsongrizz wrote:How many people who have ever been in a fist fight feared for their life? If you didn't have a sidearm that she was going after, would you have then feared for your life? In my opinion, no. But these days any wannabe little bitch who wants to pretend to be a man can carry a weapon to "protect himself". Not to mention at the drop of a hat can then use said weapon, and the only thing he has to say is " I fear for my life ".CID1990 wrote:
Ah, young Padawan! Interesting that you would bring this up.
That will be one of the reasons Zimmerman is going to walk. He was trained in concealed carry and the attendant responsibilities, which means he did mot just walk up to the kid and shoot him. Forget that he was armed. If Martin turned on him because Zim was following him, and then began to beat on him, then the gun does not come into play until Zimmerman begins to fear for his health. Second, once the fight begins, Zimmerman is also at a disadvantage because he has to protect the weapon (so that it does not become Martin's weapon) while simultaneously defending himself. Once you get hand to hand with someone, that gun belongs to both parties. Zimmerman does not even have to show that he was in fesr fir his life. He merely has to show that he was in fear of losing consciousness, which would ALSO place a reasonable person in fear for his life, because at that point the gun belongs to Trayvon.
The second worst fight I was ever involved in during 17 years of law enforcement was with a 15 year old girl half my size. She had my pistol unsnapped and it was in a school, so whipping her butt was not priority number 1 at that point.
In many cases, relative size has very little to do with the outcome of a fight.
I agree. But in this case it was Zimmerman who chose to carry and it was Zimmerman who chose to follow Martin. It was Martin who suffered the consequences.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Then take this into account and dont fu*k with people. Its really that simple.....if you dont prepare to suffer the consequences.polsongrizz wrote: How many people who have ever been in a fist fight feared for their life? If you didn't have a sidearm that she was going after, would you have then feared for your life? In my opinion, no. But these days any wannabe little bitch who wants to pretend to be a man can carry a weapon to "protect himself". Not to mention at the drop of a hat can then use said weapon, and the only thing he has to say is " I fear for my life ".
Dumba**. Martin was 17, not 16.eagleskins wrote:Zimmerman has to be about the biggest pussy on the planet..how does an armed man get his azz handed to him to by a 16 year old weighing a buck and a quarter?
The police report listed Martin’s height as 6’0″ and weight as 160 pounds; the 5’9″ Zimmerman’s weight was not listed. According to a close friend he weighed 170. 
It isnt that simple. You still have to be able to meet the reasonable person standard when you assert jeopardy in these situations. Obviously if a grown healthy man shoots an unarmed girl then that jeopardy is much more difficult to argue. In the Zimmerman situation i think there is better than even odds he walks.polsongrizz wrote:How many people who have ever been in a fist fight feared for their life? If you didn't have a sidearm that she was going after, would you have then feared for your life? In my opinion, no. But these days any wannabe little bitch who wants to pretend to be a man can carry a weapon to "protect himself". Not to mention at the drop of a hat can then use said weapon, and the only thing he has to say is " I fear for my life ".CID1990 wrote:
Ah, young Padawan! Interesting that you would bring this up.
That will be one of the reasons Zimmerman is going to walk. He was trained in concealed carry and the attendant responsibilities, which means he did mot just walk up to the kid and shoot him. Forget that he was armed. If Martin turned on him because Zim was following him, and then began to beat on him, then the gun does not come into play until Zimmerman begins to fear for his health. Second, once the fight begins, Zimmerman is also at a disadvantage because he has to protect the weapon (so that it does not become Martin's weapon) while simultaneously defending himself. Once you get hand to hand with someone, that gun belongs to both parties. Zimmerman does not even have to show that he was in fesr fir his life. He merely has to show that he was in fear of losing consciousness, which would ALSO place a reasonable person in fear for his life, because at that point the gun belongs to Trayvon.
The second worst fight I was ever involved in during 17 years of law enforcement was with a 15 year old girl half my size. She had my pistol unsnapped and it was in a school, so whipping her butt was not priority number 1 at that point.
In many cases, relative size has very little to do with the outcome of a fight.
Zimmerman was a coward if he didn't the gun from the outset he would not have approached Martin at all!!!!houndawg wrote:Zimmerman phone trail sounds like he has been busting for a chance to shoot hissef a nigra and get away with it for some time now, and he may have just achieved his heart's desire.
Hard to picture a guy so wimpy that he is over matched when he has a pistol, makes more sense that he knew what the sitch had to be for him to get away with murder and he worked hard to put himself in just that situation. No way somebody with a gun, in hot pursuit, (and how did that pudgy little phuck chase down a teenager anyway), lets the alleged perp turn on him and grapple.
Yes.DSUrocks07 wrote:Was she black?CID1990 wrote: The second worst fight I was ever involved in during 17 years of law enforcement was with a 15 year old girl half my size. She had my pistol unsnapped and it was in a school, so whipping her butt was not priority number 1 at that point.
So are you saying Zimmerman should have brought the pistol into play at the outset? You arent making a lot of sense here, but then I am guessing you just dont know what you are talking about.houndawg wrote:Zimmerman phone trail sounds like he has been busting for a chance to shoot hissef a nigra and get away with it for some time now, and he may have just achieved his heart's desire.
Hard to picture a guy so wimpy that he is over matched when he has a pistol
That's my opinion as well. I think Zimmerman walks because it doesn't sound like there is a lot of concrete evidence out there, there is also the possibility that Zimmerman is telling the truth. I wonder if the second degree murder charge is really just for leverage in order to get Zimmerman to plea to a lesser crime.death dealer wrote:Lots of assumptions there Dawg. Let's see what comes out in trial. I have many of the same thoughts as you. But something tells me Zimmerman got what he was looking for, a chance to play cops, and was suddenly like "Oh shit!!". He panicked and during the struggle killed a guy. I believe he fucked up and another person is dead. He should be held accountable for that. Having said that, this is all my opinion based on limited information. Now, let's see if our justice system can handle this shit storm and deliver justice to all parties involved.houndawg wrote:Zimmerman phone trail sounds like he has been busting for a chance to shoot hissef a nigra and get away with it for some time now, and he may have just achieved his heart's desire.
Hard to picture a guy so wimpy that he is over matched when he has a pistol, makes more sense that he knew what the sitch had to be for him to get away with murder and he worked hard to put himself in just that situation. No way somebody with a gun, in hot pursuit, (and how did that pudgy little phuck chase down a teenager anyway), lets the alleged perp turn on him and grapple.
That is usually the case. In this instance, however, I'd guess that the charge is more politically motivated. All the more reason for Zimmerman to not take a plea if the facts are on his side.BlueHen86 wrote:I wonder if the second degree murder charge is really just for leverage in order to get Zimmerman to plea to a lesser crime.
125? 160?BDKJMU wrote:Dumba**. Martin was 17, not 16.eagleskins wrote:Zimmerman has to be about the biggest pussy on the planet..how does an armed man get his azz handed to him to by a 16 year old weighing a buck and a quarter?
This.Cluck U wrote:
If Z walks, then I will quickly buy some stock in Home Depot, Lowes, and any private companies that run prisons...there will be a lot of repairs and arrest from the riots that will follow.
...me and everybody else here, STD.CID1990 wrote:So are you saying Zimmerman should have brought the pistol into play at the outset? You arent making a lot of sense here, but then I am guessing you just dont know what you are talking about.houndawg wrote:Zimmerman phone trail sounds like he has been busting for a chance to shoot hissef a nigra and get away with it for some time now, and he may have just achieved his heart's desire.
Hard to picture a guy so wimpy that he is over matched when he has a pistol
Wow... just, wow.houndawg wrote:...me and everybody else here, STD.CID1990 wrote:
So are you saying Zimmerman should have brought the pistol into play at the outset? You arent making a lot of sense here, but then I am guessing you just dont know what you are talking about.
I'm saying I think Zimmerman got exactly what he wanted when he ignored the dispatcher and followed the kid. He cornered the kid, closed, and "stood his ground"; now its his word against a dead niqqer and he has a good chance of walking in Florida. Only way it could have been better for him was if it happened in Alabama. Everybody will be shocked, shocked I say, at the riots. Which will be particularly ugly.
This ain't The Outsiders, Pony Boy.houndawg wrote:True dat, many assumptions. But I see a lot of that mentality out there these days. You know, it's funny, back in the day if you pulled a weapon you would have had your man card revoked and been known far and wide a a pussy. We used to fight the chicano kids behind Jack in the Box on slow weekends and you never saw a weapon. Once when there were eight of us and nine of them they made one of their guys sit out; said they didn't want to hear any excuses around town about kicking our asses because we were outnumbered. People had some honor.death dealer wrote: Lots of assumptions there Dawg. Let's see what comes out in trial. I have many of the same thoughts as you. But something tells me Zimmerman got what he was looking for, a chance to play cops, and was suddenly like "Oh ****!!". He panicked and during the struggle killed a guy. I believe he **** up and another person is dead. He should be held accountable for that. Having said that, this is all my opinion based on limited information. Now, let's see if our justice system can handle this **** storm and deliver justice to all parties involved.
blueballs wrote:Wow... just, wow.houndawg wrote:
...me and everybody else here, STD.
I'm saying I think Zimmerman got exactly what he wanted when he ignored the dispatcher and followed the kid. He cornered the kid, closed, and "stood his ground"; now its his word against a dead niqqer and he has a good chance of walking in Florida. Only way it could have been better for him was if it happened in Alabama. Everybody will be shocked, shocked I say, at the riots. Which will be particularly ugly.
I'd say that's exactly how they see it down there.Thank you if Zimmerman didn't have that gun he would have never went near Trayvon in the first place!!!!!!polsongrizz wrote:How many people who have ever been in a fist fight feared for their life? If you didn't have a sidearm that she was going after, would you have then feared for your life? In my opinion, no. But these days any wannabe little bitch who wants to pretend to be a man can carry a weapon to "protect himself". Not to mention at the drop of a hat can then use said weapon, and the only thing he has to say is " I fear for my life ".CID1990 wrote:
Ah, young Padawan! Interesting that you would bring this up.
That will be one of the reasons Zimmerman is going to walk. He was trained in concealed carry and the attendant responsibilities, which means he did mot just walk up to the kid and shoot him. Forget that he was armed. If Martin turned on him because Zim was following him, and then began to beat on him, then the gun does not come into play until Zimmerman begins to fear for his health. Second, once the fight begins, Zimmerman is also at a disadvantage because he has to protect the weapon (so that it does not become Martin's weapon) while simultaneously defending himself. Once you get hand to hand with someone, that gun belongs to both parties. Zimmerman does not even have to show that he was in fesr fir his life. He merely has to show that he was in fear of losing consciousness, which would ALSO place a reasonable person in fear for his life, because at that point the gun belongs to Trayvon.
The second worst fight I was ever involved in during 17 years of law enforcement was with a 15 year old girl half my size. She had my pistol unsnapped and it was in a school, so whipping her butt was not priority number 1 at that point.
In many cases, relative size has very little to do with the outcome of a fight.
Says the guy who doesn't know a damn thing about "down there".houndawg wrote:blueballs wrote:
Wow... just, wow.
Baldy wrote:Says the guy who doesn't know a damn thing about "down there".houndawg wrote:
