Evolution vs Whatever

[SeattleGriz]

the alternative, which is apeshit science because it's not science.

23 or 24 chromosomal ape shit?

[D1B]

SG is just yanking chains. He's a dumbass, but not that dumb, according to his attorney.

Every year I start this thread for fun. Stop wrecking it. I don't shit on your posts!

Carry on then.

[Vidav]

It's almost like the argument "if we evolved from chimps why are chimps still around?" If someone asks that they have done nothing but show that they don't understand evolution.

Hmmmm....I hadn't thought of that.

On second thought, SG may be right after all.

I hope you are fucking around but just in case.

We didn't evolve from chimps, we are cousins that share a common ancestor.

[D1B]

But one day, we'll probably have the answers, and I'd rather follow a theory with some scientific evidence, follow the reasoning behind it (we're uncovering more and more fossils every few year it seems) than concede "Aw shit I have no fucking clue" and submit to a theory that cannot be scientifically proven. That's the point of science, they're lots of theories but not all of them are perfect. It's why we build on theories that can be proven or tested as opposed to throwing the hat in and saying we can't know. You're welcome to follow your own personal philosophy but don't throw it in with Science (I'm pretty sure you haven't done that in this thread though). Evolution isn't perfect by any stretch, but it's the most perfect/best explanation we have as of yet, and until someone can propose an alternative that is ACTUALLY scientific it's going to be automatically assumed that you believe in the alternative, which is apeshit science because it's not science.

But don't you see how anyone who even proposes an alternate idea is castigated. If Evolutionists were to truly follow their own rules, they would welcome any and all objections and disprove them. Doing that would make the Evolutionary theory stronger, but they don't. They ridicule and drum up straw man arguments. Can you imagine what would happen to funding for a Creationist at a University? Gone, and most likely lose their job.

SG, creationist theory IS studied, and afforded great toleration, rather comprehensively, in religious schools and classes and at church by billions of people. What's your problem? That when it tries to enter the scientific world it's castigated? That's what should happen. Creationism aint science.

SG, creationism aside, are there any other "alternate ideas"?

[D1B]

Hmmmm....I hadn't thought of that.

On second thought, SG may be right after all.

I hope you are fucking around but just in case.

We didn't evolve from chimps, we are cousins that share a common ancestor.

Can you please remove the softcore pornography from your page? Thanks.

[AZGrizFan]

Hmmmm....I hadn't thought of that.

On second thought, SG may be right after all.

I hope you are fucking around but just in case.

We didn't evolve from chimps, we are cousins that share a common ancestor.

[D1B]

I hope you are fucking around but just in case.

We didn't evolve from chimps, we are cousins that share a common ancestor.

Vidav, I've already called the cops on Z.

[Vidav]

I hope you are fucking around but just in case.

We didn't evolve from chimps, we are cousins that share a common ancestor.

Can you please remove the softcore pornography from your page? Thanks.

[AZGrizFan]

Vidav, I've already called the cops on Z.

[Grizalltheway]

I hope you are fucking around but just in case.

We didn't evolve from chimps, we are cousins that share a common ancestor.

Can you please remove the softcore pornography from your page? Thanks.

Shut it.

[alvin kayak]

There is no such thing as evolution, DNA, or "natural selection". Although, it appears that AIDS, Swine Flu, and West Nile Virus appeared only in the last 100 years as the product of rapid replication and adaptation, they in fact were intelligently designed to kill all us F***s.

[Pwns]

How about this? We don't teach evolution or intelligent design in science classroom. Let the science curriculum be dictated by what we need to be competitive in the marketplace - i.e., math, physics, engineering, computer science, and chemistry. Evolutionary biology never cured a single fucking disease or improved technology, unless you want to go out on a limb and fit the study of microbial antibiotic resistance under the umbrella of evolutionary biology. In fact, very few doctors and biomedical scientists have any kind of training in biology because even though many won't admit it, evolutionary biology is completely irrelevant.

[BlueHen86]

How about this? We don't teach evolution or intelligent design in science classroom. Let the science curriculum be dictated by what we need to be competitive in the marketplace - i.e., math, physics, engineering, computer science, and chemistry. Evolutionary biology never cured a single fucking disease or improved technology, unless you want to go out on a limb and fit the study of microbial antibiotic resistance under the umbrella of evolutionary biology. In fact, very few doctors and biomedical scientists have any kind of training in biology because even though many won't admit it, evolutionary biology is completely irrelevant.

We should teach evolution until a better theory comes along. Intellegent design isn't a theory, it's just made up crap, like Rumplestiltskin or Shrek.

[∞∞∞]

What I am trying to say, is that we don't slowly turn into a different species over time (from ooze to man).

Pretty sure we all cum from some sort of ooze.

[grizzaholic]

Pretty sure we all cum from some sort of ooze.

[DSUrocks07]

Evolution exists

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[kalm]

God was smart for teaching fish how to jump.

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[JMU DJ]

Back for more eh? At least you are consistent.

If we are apes, then why do apes have 24 chromosome pairs and man only 23? Must have lost that pair with the hair. I will admit that is a weak reply and mostly incorrect, but your supposition is just as weak.

SG, perhaps you should do some more research before you bring your admittedly weak comeback into this discussion.


The reason why we have 23 chromosomal pairs and why Chimps/Apes have 24 has been scientifically described. In fact, the discovery only provides more evidence for Macroevolution (which you are asking evidence for). I will give you a research hint: Human Chromosome 2. Though this one piece wouldn't make the evolution argument stand alone, there are other bits of evidence.

Examine:
1. ERVs : Since you brought math and probabilities into the picture earlier, look into what ERVs are. Then, with your knowledge of the Human and Chimp genome (size), calculate the odds that 1 ERV would be found in the exact same location in both the Human and Chimp genome. After that calculation, calculate the odds that there would be 16 ERV's in the exact same genomic location in both the Human and Chimp genomes. Once you have thought about that for a bit and come to the conclusion that "hey, these could just be random occurrences that have ended up this way due to transposition," calculate the odds that 16 random insertions into the genome would end up in the exact same location in two different species due to retrotransposition. But yeah, "god could have made it that way."

2. mtDNA : I don't know how literal you are with the creation story or the biblical interpretation, but look into mtDNA. This blows any "The earth was created 6,000 years ago" or "global flood" story out of the water so to say. As for a macroevolution point, this is especially evident in Drosophila and certain plant lineages.

3. Gene Duplications and Pseudogenes: particularly the steroid 21-hydroxylase pseudogene and its existence in Humans and Chimps. Also, examine why gene duplication would independently explain/correlate the previously described evolutionary lineage of macaques, orangutans, chimpanzees, and humans.


There's more...

[SeattleGriz]

Back for more eh? At least you are consistent.

If we are apes, then why do apes have 24 chromosome pairs and man only 23? Must have lost that pair with the hair. I will admit that is a weak reply and mostly incorrect, but your supposition is just as weak.

SG, perhaps you should do some more research before you bring your admittedly weak comeback into this discussion.


The reason why we have 23 chromosomal pairs and why Chimps/Apes have 24 has been scientifically described. In fact, the discovery only provides more evidence for Macroevolution (which you are asking evidence for). I will give you a research hint: Human Chromosome 2. Though this one piece wouldn't make the evolution argument stand alone, there are other bits of evidence.

Examine:
1. ERVs : Since you brought math and probabilities into the picture earlier, look into what ERVs are. Then, with your knowledge of the Human and Chimp genome (size), calculate the odds that 1 ERV would be found in the exact same location in both the Human and Chimp genome. After that calculation, calculate the odds that there would be 16 ERV's in the exact same genomic location in both the Human and Chimp genomes. Once you have thought about that for a bit and come to the conclusion that "hey, these could just be random occurrences that have ended up this way due to transposition," calculate the odds that 16 random insertions into the genome would end up in the exact same location in two different species due to retrotransposition. But yeah, "god could have made it that way."

2. mtDNA : I don't know how literal you are with the creation story or the biblical interpretation, but look into mtDNA. This blows any "The earth was created 6,000 years ago" or "global flood" story out of the water so to say. As for a macroevolution point, this is especially evident in Drosophila and certain plant lineages.

3. Gene Duplications and Pseudogenes: particularly the steroid 21-hydroxylase pseudogene and its existence in Humans and Chimps. Also, examine why gene duplication would independently explain/correlate the previously described evolutionary lineage of macaques, orangutans, chimpanzees, and humans.


There's more...

Thanks man. Glad you joined the discussion, for this is the sort of stuff I am looking for. Been a long time since I was in school and I know much has happened since then. Will look into everything you listed.

[Ibanez]

What I am trying to say, is that we don't slowly turn into a different species over time (from ooze to man).

Pretty sure we all cum from some sort of ooze.

I'm pretty sure the ooze is seman. Or cum. Jizz. Vag Spackle. Man Milk. Manaise. Spunk. Load. Man Cream. Man Yogurt.

You know...baby batter.

[D1B]

SG, perhaps you should do some more research before you bring your admittedly weak comeback into this discussion.


The reason why we have 23 chromosomal pairs and why Chimps/Apes have 24 has been scientifically described. In fact, the discovery only provides more evidence for Macroevolution (which you are asking evidence for). I will give you a research hint: Human Chromosome 2. Though this one piece wouldn't make the evolution argument stand alone, there are other bits of evidence.

Examine:
1. ERVs : Since you brought math and probabilities into the picture earlier, look into what ERVs are. Then, with your knowledge of the Human and Chimp genome (size), calculate the odds that 1 ERV would be found in the exact same location in both the Human and Chimp genome. After that calculation, calculate the odds that there would be 16 ERV's in the exact same genomic location in both the Human and Chimp genomes. Once you have thought about that for a bit and come to the conclusion that "hey, these could just be random occurrences that have ended up this way due to transposition," calculate the odds that 16 random insertions into the genome would end up in the exact same location in two different species due to retrotransposition. But yeah, "god could have made it that way."

2. mtDNA : I don't know how literal you are with the creation story or the biblical interpretation, but look into mtDNA. This blows any "The earth was created 6,000 years ago" or "global flood" story out of the water so to say. As for a macroevolution point, this is especially evident in Drosophila and certain plant lineages.

3. Gene Duplications and Pseudogenes: particularly the steroid 21-hydroxylase pseudogene and its existence in Humans and Chimps. Also, examine why gene duplication would independently explain/correlate the previously described evolutionary lineage of macaques, orangutans, chimpanzees, and humans.


There's more...

Thanks man. Glad you joined the discussion, for this is the sort of stuff I am looking for. Been a long time since I was in school and I know much has happened since then. Will look into everything you listed.

Nice surrender SG.

[Ibanez]

Back for more eh? At least you are consistent.

If we are apes, then why do apes have 24 chromosome pairs and man only 23? Must have lost that pair with the hair. I will admit that is a weak reply and mostly incorrect, but your supposition is just as weak.

SG, perhaps you should do some more research before you bring your admittedly weak comeback into this discussion.


The reason why we have 23 chromosomal pairs and why Chimps/Apes have 24 has been scientifically described. In fact, the discovery only provides more evidence for Macroevolution (which you are asking evidence for). I will give you a research hint: Human Chromosome 2. Though this one piece wouldn't make the evolution argument stand alone, there are other bits of evidence.

Examine:
1. ERVs : Since you brought math and probabilities into the picture earlier, look into what ERVs are. Then, with your knowledge of the Human and Chimp genome (size), calculate the odds that 1 ERV would be found in the exact same location in both the Human and Chimp genome. After that calculation, calculate the odds that there would be 16 ERV's in the exact same genomic location in both the Human and Chimp genomes. Once you have thought about that for a bit and come to the conclusion that "hey, these could just be random occurrences that have ended up this way due to transposition," calculate the odds that 16 random insertions into the genome would end up in the exact same location in two different species due to retrotransposition. But yeah, "god could have made it that way."

2. mtDNA : I don't know how literal you are with the creation story or the biblical interpretation, but look into mtDNA. This blows any "The earth was created 6,000 years ago" or "global flood" story out of the water so to say. As for a macroevolution point, this is especially evident in Drosophila and certain plant lineages.

3. Gene Duplications and Pseudogenes: particularly the steroid 21-hydroxylase pseudogene and its existence in Humans and Chimps. Also, examine why gene duplication would independently explain/correlate the previously described evolutionary lineage of macaques, orangutans, chimpanzees, and humans.


There's more...

That's a lot of information. It's easier to say, "God made us as we are".


PEople forget, the bible and the books were written to explain something. How do you get your population to tow the line? HOw do you answer questions you don't know the answer? Tell them a God did or is the reason. Early people didn'tknow about all the science we know now. So they said, God made us this way. Easy....to the point. And since you never question God, you don't have to ask anymore questions.

[D1B]

SG, perhaps you should do some more research before you bring your admittedly weak comeback into this discussion.


The reason why we have 23 chromosomal pairs and why Chimps/Apes have 24 has been scientifically described. In fact, the discovery only provides more evidence for Macroevolution (which you are asking evidence for). I will give you a research hint: Human Chromosome 2. Though this one piece wouldn't make the evolution argument stand alone, there are other bits of evidence.

Examine:
1. ERVs : Since you brought math and probabilities into the picture earlier, look into what ERVs are. Then, with your knowledge of the Human and Chimp genome (size), calculate the odds that 1 ERV would be found in the exact same location in both the Human and Chimp genome. After that calculation, calculate the odds that there would be 16 ERV's in the exact same genomic location in both the Human and Chimp genomes. Once you have thought about that for a bit and come to the conclusion that "hey, these could just be random occurrences that have ended up this way due to transposition," calculate the odds that 16 random insertions into the genome would end up in the exact same location in two different species due to retrotransposition. But yeah, "god could have made it that way."

2. mtDNA : I don't know how literal you are with the creation story or the biblical interpretation, but look into mtDNA. This blows any "The earth was created 6,000 years ago" or "global flood" story out of the water so to say. As for a macroevolution point, this is especially evident in Drosophila and certain plant lineages.

3. Gene Duplications and Pseudogenes: particularly the steroid 21-hydroxylase pseudogene and its existence in Humans and Chimps. Also, examine why gene duplication would independently explain/correlate the previously described evolutionary lineage of macaques, orangutans, chimpanzees, and humans.


There's more...

That's a lot of information. It's easier to say, "God made us as we are".


PEople forget, the bible and the books were written to explain something. How do you get your population to tow the line? HOw do you answer questions you don't know the answer? Tell them a God did or is the reason. Early people didn'tknow about all the science we know now. So they said, God made us this way. Easy....to the point. And since you never question God, you don't have to ask anymore questions.

The bible is pastiche of myths, fiction stories, codes, historical writings that have been edited, changed, reinterpreted and misinterpreted for thousands of years and continues to present day - solely for the purpose of controlling people.

Since the conversion of Constantine 1700 years ago, monarchs, dictators and governments have effectively used the bible sell people/slaves the false hope of salvation through jesus christ in exchange for the products of their toil and suffering.

[89Hen]

How do you get your population to tow the line?

Toe the line.

[YoUDeeMan]

How do you get your population to tow the line?

Toe the line.

Tomatow...tomahtoe.