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Again I was obviously off a year typed FY 2016 & 2017, major brain fart, meant FY 2017 & 2018.

The possibility of a government shutdown at the end of this week (4/28) wouldn't be because a 2018 budget wasn't passed. We're talking FY 2017 budget $$, which has been operating on continuing resolutions, the last of which was passed in Dec, which goes through Sept. Just reported USAToday:
"...members of the House and Senate Appropriations committees, in consultation with the White House, are hammering out the last few items in a spending bill that would fund federal agencies through September and avert a shutdown. Congress passed a stop-gap spending measure in December that funded federal agencies through April 28...."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 100925460/

The negotiations on FY 2018, which will be the 1st full fiscal year budget under Trump, doesn't start until later this year..

My only thing with debating FY18 in the fall...is that it's too late. :lol: Oct 1 starts the year.


Leave it up to Congress to be lazy, good for nothing SOBs.
That's how govt operates. Funding deadline comes up, threat of a govt shutdown, pass a CR for a few months/part of the year, repeat the process.

I looked up this:
"Under Senate interpretations of the Congressional Budget Act, the Senate can consider the three basic subjects of reconciliation — spending, revenues, and debt limit — in a single bill or multiple bills, but it can consider each of these three in only one bill per year (unless Congress passes a second budget resolution). Consequently, in the Senate there can be a maximum of three reconciliation bills in a year, one for each of the basic subjects of reconciliation.

This rule is most significant if the first reconciliation bill that the Senate takes up affects both spending and revenues. Even if that bill is overwhelmingly devoted to only one of those subjects, no subsequent reconciliation bill can affect either revenues or spending because the first bill already addressed them."
http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-bu ... nciliation

Haven't we already had reconciliation this year, so the budget that has to be passed by Fri to avoid a partial govt shutdown subject to the 60 vote cloture rule in the Senate? Wouldn't the one that has to be passed by the end of this Sept subject to budget reconciliation, only requiring 50 + 1 votes in the Senate?
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Reconciliation isn't applicable to a budget resolution.

As screwy as it sounds, the budget isn't considered a spending bill. It doesn't actually allocate any money. It isn't law. The President doesn't sign off on it.

It doesn't need 60 votes, though. If The Wall makes it into the 2018 budget (doesn't seem like it will) the spending will still still have to pass the Senate with 60 votes. It would probably be tacked onto other bills, so they wouldn't just be voting on that one item - if it came to that, that's when the threat of government shutdown would occur. Pass the bill to keep the government running and build the wall, or don't and the guvmint shuts down.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Reconciliation isn't applicable to a budget resolution.

As screwy as it sounds, the budget isn't considered a spending bill. It doesn't actually allocate any money. It isn't law. The President doesn't sign off on it.

It doesn't need 60 votes, though. If The Wall makes it into the 2018 budget (doesn't seem like it will) the spending will still still have to pass the Senate with 60 votes. It would probably be tacked onto other bills, so they wouldn't just be voting on that one item - if it came to that, that's when the threat of government shutdown would occur. Pass the bill to keep the government running and build the wall, or don't and the guvmint shuts down.
Then why are there headlines like below? (Not saying you're wrong- it could be the way the media describes it) The one Obama signed in Dec 2016 to carry us through the end of this week has headlines like this:
U.S. Senate Passes Funding Bill, Obama Signs Into Law
http://fortune.com/2016/12/10/us-senate ... nding-law/

The one Obama signed in 2015:
"Obama signs bipartisan 2-year budget and debt deal, averting US default

President Barack Obama on Monday signed into law a bipartisan budget bill...."
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... t-deadline
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Neither of those were budget resolutions.

In one case it is funding. In the other case it is a law that did things like temporarily increase discretionary spending caps, etc.

They're related to the budget, but they're different than the budget resolutions that are just basically an outline of spending in the coming year.
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Skjellyfetti wrote: It doesn't need 60 votes, though. If The Wall makes it into the 2018 budget (doesn't seem like it will) the spending will still still have to pass the Senate with 60 votes. It would probably be tacked onto other bills, so they wouldn't just be voting on that one item - if it came to that, that's when the threat of government shutdown would occur. Pass the bill to keep the government running and build the wall, or don't and the guvmint shuts down.
Here's Udall (Donk Sen Colorado) this week, referring to $$ for the wall:
"...If you want to do it through a reconciliation process, and only do it with Republicans with 51 votes, then you have the option of doing that. But don’t do it in this.”....."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 100755956/

So it seems to me there is a process of getting it done with 51 conk votes, but not in this week's rest of FY 17 budget deal..

As far as a govt shutdown, the more accurate description would be a 1/6th govt shutdown. The last one we had in 2013 was something like 83% of govt spending wasn't affected. Its more hype than anything else...
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Yeah, they could push it through with 51 votes. But, there's not enough R support.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Neither of those were budget resolutions.

In one case it is funding. In the other case it is a law that did things like temporarily increase discretionary spending caps, etc.

They're related to the budget, but they're different than the budget resolutions that are just basically an outline of spending in the coming year.
I get budget resolutions are just budget frameworks, & aren't the actual budgets bills that have to be passed by Congress/signed by the POTUS.

BTW out in the last hour:
U.S. Congress may seek one-week funding extension to avert shutdown
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-b ... SKBN17S146
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President Donald Trump on Thursday reflected on his first 100 days in office with a wistful look at his life before the White House.

"I loved my previous life. I had so many things going," Trump told Reuters in an interview. "This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier."

A wealthy businessman from New York, Trump assumed public office for the first time when he entered the White House on Jan. 20 after he defeated former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in an upset.

More than five months after his victory and two days shy of the 100-day mark of his presidency, the election is still on Trump's mind. Midway through a discussion about Chinese President Xi Jinping, the president paused to hand out copies of what he said were the latest figures from the 2016 electoral map.

"Here, you can take that, that's the final map of the numbers," the Republican president said from his desk in the Oval Office, handing out maps of the United States with areas he won marked in red. "It’s pretty good, right? The red is obviously us."
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The fact that he thought the POTUS would be easier isn't even the best part. This is:
More than five months after his victory and two days shy of the 100-day mark of his presidency, the election is still on Trump's mind. Midway through a discussion about Chinese President Xi Jinping, the president paused to hand out copies of what he said were the latest figures from the 2016 electoral map.

"Here, you can take that, that's the final map of the numbers," the Republican president said from his desk in the Oval Office, handing out maps of the United States with areas he won marked in red. "It’s pretty good, right? The red is obviously us."

He had copies for each of the three Reuters reporters in the room.
Trump brings up the electoral map randomly when the discussion doesn't call for it; he did it twice at the AP interview. And this time he even made copies of the map? :lol:
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Yeah, I found the whole thing hilarious. I think he's counting down the days to 2018 as much as we are.
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Mark Cuban nails it on Trump:
“Trump is an idiot,” Cuban told me, and it’s not the first time he’s told me that. Despite Cuban’s business interests that drive strains of conservative thinking, he still lobbied for Clinton because he believed “she would make the better president.” Cuban repeated, “[Trump] is an idiot. I’ll support a ham sandwich over an idiot.” I pushed back and reminded Cuban in terms of business and investments, Clinton advocated for policies that would increase regulations and taxes—two things he hates.

Cuban responded, “I can fight attempts to regulate. I can lobby whatever. I can’t fight stupidity. I can’t stop a moron that didn’t think it prudent to read about the relationship between China and the DPRK. Or might drop bombs that causes a war because it was harder to figure out than he thought. We can change tax law. We can’t change stupid.”
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Cuban is a snowflake


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SDHornet wrote:
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Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black in regards to predictions regarding Trump & conks. 2 days before the election:
:lol: :dunce:
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Except I wasn't stupid enough to vote for him...or that kunt hillary either. :lol: :thumb:
So which idiot did you vote for?


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BDKJMU wrote:The budget bill that is being voted on now is for FY 2017, which began before Trump was in office, heck before the election, back on Oct 1 of last year. We'll see if funding for the wall is in the FY 2018 budget, which will be the 1st full year budget under Trump. Voting on that begins in Sept I believe.
They haven't passed an official budget for years, going back to the beginning of obummer.


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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Again I was obviously off a year typed FY 2016 & 2017, major brain fart, meant FY 2017 & 2018.

The possibility of a government shutdown at the end of this week (4/28) wouldn't be because a 2018 budget wasn't passed. We're talking FY 2017 budget $$, which has been operating on continuing resolutions, the last of which was passed in Dec, which goes through Sept. Just reported USAToday:
"...members of the House and Senate Appropriations committees, in consultation with the White House, are hammering out the last few items in a spending bill that would fund federal agencies through September and avert a shutdown. Congress passed a stop-gap spending measure in December that funded federal agencies through April 28...."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 100925460/

The negotiations on FY 2018, which will be the 1st full fiscal year budget under Trump, doesn't start until later this year..

My only thing with debating FY18 in the fall...is that it's too late. :lol: Oct 1 starts the year.


Leave it up to Congress to be lazy, good for nothing SOBs.
That's why mandatory term limits are needed.


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Jjoey52 wrote:If I am not mistaken Obama never submitted a budget.


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You are. He submitted a few late but he submitted them in accordance with the law
The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires the President to submit his budget request for the upcoming fiscal year no later than the first Monday of February.
What you're probably thinking of the CRs that were passed. 2015 saw the first budget in 6 years being passed.

Here's a snapshot
http://budget.house.gov/news/documentsi ... tID=276880
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I forgot they passed one budget; with zero democrats voting for it. Apparently democrats have no interest in passing budgets.


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Jjoey52 wrote:Cuban is a snowflake


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Cuban is something Trump is not: A self made man.

I seriously doubt we'd have ever heard of Donald Trump if he hadn't been born with a sliver spoon in his mouth and had Rich Daddy to help him get going.

Cuban was born to a middle class family. His Dad worked at a a car upholstery shop.

Cuban is where he is because he's got what it takes to be there. Trump is where he is because he had a Rich Daddy. Oh...also because we have a lot of seriously misguided people in the US electorate.
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Jjoey52 wrote:Cuban is a snowflake


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Cuban is something Trump is not: A self made man.

I seriously doubt we'd have ever heard of Donald Trump if he hadn't been born with a sliver spoon in his mouth and had Rich Daddy to help him get going.

Cuban was born to a middle class family. His Dad worked at a a car upholstery shop.

Cuban is where he is because he's got what it takes to be there. Trump is where he is because he had a Rich Daddy. Oh...also because we have a lot of seriously misguided people in the US electorate.
Yeah, Cuban made his money by successfully selling out before the dotcom bubble burst at an outrageous and unsupportable price to yahoo, which proved to be the beginning of the decline/end of yahoo. If he hadn't sold out he probably would be cleaning the mavericks locker room.


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Jjoey52 wrote:Cuban is a snowflake


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No Cuban is a marshmallow, Trump is a flake.

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cx500d wrote:
SDHornet wrote: Except I wasn't stupid enough to vote for him...or that kunt hillary either. :lol: :thumb:
So which idiot did you vote for?


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cx500d wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The budget bill that is being voted on now is for FY 2017, which began before Trump was in office, heck before the election, back on Oct 1 of last year. We'll see if funding for the wall is in the FY 2018 budget, which will be the 1st full year budget under Trump. Voting on that begins in Sept I believe.
They haven't passed an official budget for years, going back to the beginning of obummer.


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Yup, conk controlled House has been asleep at the wheel on this issue for years now...not sure why anyone expects this to ever change.
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Donald Trump has blamed the US constitution for the problems he has encountered during his first 100 days in office.

In an interview with Fox News to mark the milestone, the Republican called the system of checks and balances on power “archaic”.

“It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 10781.html
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Donald Trump has blamed the US constitution for the problems he has encountered during his first 100 days in office.

In an interview with Fox News to mark the milestone, the Republican called the system of checks and balances on power “archaic”.

“It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 10781.html
To be fair to Trump, Fox News is actually fake news:
"The rules of the Senate and some of the things you have to go through, it's -- it's really a bad thing for the country, in my opinion," the president said. "They're archaic rules."
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Some brilliant historical analysis by our glorious leader
President Trump during an interview that airs Monday questioned why the country had a Civil War and suggested former President Andrew Jackson could have prevented it had he served later.

"I mean had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart," Trump said during an interview with the Washington Examiner's Salena Zito.

"He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, 'There's no reason for this.' "

Jackson, the nation's 7th president, died in 1845. The Civil War began in 1861.

The president further questioned why the country could not have solved the Civil War.

"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump said during the edition of "Main Street Meets the Beltway" scheduled to air on SiriusXM.

"People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Some brilliant historical analysis by our glorious leader
President Trump during an interview that airs Monday questioned why the country had a Civil War and suggested former President Andrew Jackson could have prevented it had he served later.

"I mean had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart," Trump said during an interview with the Washington Examiner's Salena Zito.

"He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, 'There's no reason for this.' "

Jackson, the nation's 7th president, died in 1845. The Civil War began in 1861.

The president further questioned why the country could not have solved the Civil War.

"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump said during the edition of "Main Street Meets the Beltway" scheduled to air on SiriusXM.

"People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -civil-war
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