The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[BDKJMU]

I also found this paragraph very JSOesque:

Trump or no Trump, Buchanan has only become more alarmed about America’s political trajectory. The Republican Party is “running out of white folks,” he says, and historically immigrant groups have voted overwhelmingly Democratic. “If you bring in 100 million people and they vote 60 percent Democratic and 40 percent Republican, you’re buried,” Buchanan tells me. “What I’m saying is the America we knew and grew up with, it’s gone. And it’s not coming back. Demographically, culturally, socially, in every way, it’s a different country. And I think it’s come to resemble more of an empire than a nation and a people.”

Yep..

[CID1990]

I've always liked Buchanan. Of course it is hard to publicly take his positions in today's climate. Trump did so by dumbing them WAY down.

There are definitely parallels between him and Trump but I think Trump arrives at them by accident. Buchanan is much smarter and better educated than Trump. It's no mystery that the populists liked Buchanan but at the end of the day the base couldn't follow him because they couldn't understand what the hell he was saying.

Kinsley recalls his old colleague renting a vacation home on Maryland’s Eastern Shore that had an extra bedroom, where Buchanan could store boxes of books he would read while there. “Pat might be a nut, but he’s not a con man. Trump is both a nut and a con man,” Kinsley tells me. “You have to give Pat a certain amount of credit for intellect. He really thought through policy problems, and that’s where he’s not like Trump at all.”

Wow! What a tremendous read! I used to listen to the Pat Buchanan radio show, co-hosted by the Reverend Barry Lynn (of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State fame). I often disagreed with but admired Pat back then and have continued to do so ever since. The Nixon administration with Buchanan and Ben Stein as speech writers always intrigued me. I think there may have been more brain power in that White House than perhaps any since.

Pat is hard right, but when one of your go-to news sources is antiwar.com and you count Hunter S. Thompson, Bill Press, Michael Kinsley, and Barry Lynn among your admirers, you deserve some serious credit and to be listened to.

I also found this paragraph very JSOesque:

Trump or no Trump, Buchanan has only become more alarmed about America’s political trajectory. The Republican Party is “running out of white folks,” he says, and historically immigrant groups have voted overwhelmingly Democratic. “If you bring in 100 million people and they vote 60 percent Democratic and 40 percent Republican, you’re buried,” Buchanan tells me. “What I’m saying is the America we knew and grew up with, it’s gone. And it’s not coming back. Demographically, culturally, socially, in every way, it’s a different country. And I think it’s come to resemble more of an empire than a nation and a people.”

Buchanan always made the best case for conservative thinking, regardless of the subject. He is always reasoned, calm, and focused. Even if you don't agree with his politics, his use of logic is commanding

That, to me, is one of the failings of progressivism- nobody can make a true logical case for any of their holy grails... believe me- I'm always searching for someone who can. Its all emotion


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[kalm]

Wow! What a tremendous read! I used to listen to the Pat Buchanan radio show, co-hosted by the Reverend Barry Lynn (of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State fame). I often disagreed with but admired Pat back then and have continued to do so ever since. The Nixon administration with Buchanan and Ben Stein as speech writers always intrigued me. I think there may have been more brain power in that White House than perhaps any since.

Pat is hard right, but when one of your go-to news sources is antiwar.com and you count Hunter S. Thompson, Bill Press, Michael Kinsley, and Barry Lynn among your admirers, you deserve some serious credit and to be listened to.

I also found this paragraph very JSOesque:

Buchanan always made the best case for conservative thinking, regardless of the subject. He is always reasoned, calm, and focused. Even if you don't agree with his politics, his use of logic is commanding

That, to me, is one of the failings of progressivism- nobody can make a true logical case for any of their holy grails... believe me- I'm always searching for someone who can. Its all emotion


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Nice troll!

[UNI88]

I also found this paragraph very JSOesque:

Trump or no Trump, Buchanan has only become more alarmed about America’s political trajectory. The Republican Party is “running out of white folks,” he says, and historically immigrant groups have voted overwhelmingly Democratic. “If you bring in 100 million people and they vote 60 percent Democratic and 40 percent Republican, you’re buried,” Buchanan tells me. “What I’m saying is the America we knew and grew up with, it’s gone. And it’s not coming back. Demographically, culturally, socially, in every way, it’s a different country. And I think it’s come to resemble more of an empire than a nation and a people.”

There is a lot of overly nostalgic BS in there. America has seen waves of immigrants time and time again and we have absorbed them in 1-2 generations and added some of their culture to our own. In 20+ years:
- American English will have a much greater Spanish influence than it does now but the children and grandchildren of Latino immigrants will be speaking American English.
- American people will have darker skin than they do now.

This does not mean the end of some idealized America. Many of these people will achieve financial success and the Republican Party will adapt and accept them or fade into history to be replaced by a more inclusive fiscally conservative party. America will go on and people will look back and wonder about the xenophobes of the past who feared the immigrants just like we wonder about why people feared the Germans, Irish, Italians, Polish, etc.

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I also found this paragraph very JSOesque:

There is a lot of overly nostalgic BS in there. America has seen waves of immigrants time and time again and we have absorbed them in 1-2 generations and added some of their culture to our own. In 20+ years:
- American English will have a much greater Spanish influence than it does now but the children and grandchildren of Latino immigrants will be speaking American English.
- American people will have darker skin than they do now.

This does not mean the end of some idealized America. Many of these people will achieve financial success and the Republican Party will adapt and accept them or fade into history to be replaced by a more inclusive fiscally conservative party. America will go on and people will look back and wonder about the xenophobes of the past who feared the immigrants just like we wonder about why people feared the Germans, Irish, Italians, Polish, etc.

This nation is one of the most unique experiments in humanity's history. And personally, it's not lost on me how privileged I am to be a part of it. Otherwise, I think we need to get it into our heads that if you live a long life, you'll never die in the same America you're born in. Constant change is ingrained into this nation (which is great) and every generation gets to shape the society it wants.

[CID1990]

every generation gets to shape the society it wants.

Each one sh1ttier and more annoying than the last

My daughters are horrified that I find nothing unnatural about pissing in the backyard

[cx500d]

every generation gets to shape the society it wants.

Each one sh1ttier and more annoying than the last

My daughters are horrified that I find nothing unnatural about pissing in the backyard

Doesn't everyone do that? Sometimes I do it in the front yard.


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In the last two days, Trump's congratulated a wounded soldier for receiving the Purple Heart:

"Congratulations on behalf of Melania and myself and the entire nation. Tremendous," said Trump, mentioning his wife.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 2-14-44-33

And bragged about how he's had the highest viewership on "Face the Nation" since 9/11:

"It's the highest they've ever had. On any, on air, (CBS "Face the Nation" host John) Dickerson had 5.2 million people. It's the highest for "Face the Nation" or as I call it, "Deface the Nation." It's the highest for "Deface the Nation" since the World Trade Center. Since the World Trade Center came down. It's a tremendous advantage."

https://apnews.com/c810d7de280a47e88848 ... P_Politics

Btw, there's a lot of rambling going on in that second interview with the Associated Press. Twice he goes on about the Electoral College for little to no reason:

AP: Obviously, that's going to come in a week where you're going to be running up against the deadline for keeping the government open. If you get a bill on your desk that does not include funding for the wall, will you sign it?

TRUMP: I don't know yet. People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it — you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the electoral college. Big, big, big advantage. I've always said the popular vote would be a lot easier than the electoral college. The electoral college — but it's a whole different campaign (unintelligible). The electoral college is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall, they want to see security. Now, it just came out that they're 73 percent down. ... That's a tremendous achievement. ... Look at this, in 100 days, that down to the lowest in 17 years and it's going lower. Now, people aren't coming because they know they're not going to get through, and there isn't crime. You know the migration up to the border is horrible for women, you know that? (Unintelligible.) Now, much of that's stopped because they can't get through.
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AP: ... is do you think you have the right team in place for your next 100 days?

TRUMP: Yes. I think my team has been, well, I have different teams. I think my military team has been treated with great respect. As they should be. I think my other team hasn't been treated with the respect that they should get. We have some very talented people, and very diverse people.

AP: Do you mean your White House team when you say that?

TRUMP: Yeah, my White House team. I think Reince (Priebus) has been doing an excellent job. I think that, you know, this is a very tough environment not caused necessarily by me. Although the election has, you know, look, the Democrats had a tremendous opportunity because the electoral college, as I said, is so skewed to them. You start off by losing in New York and California, no matter who it is. If, if Abe Lincoln came back to life, he would lose New York and he would lose California. It's just the registration, there's nothing you can do. So you're losing the two biggest states, that's where you start. OK. The Electoral College is so skewed in favor of a Democrat that it's very, very hard. Look at Obama's number in the Electoral College. His numbers on the win were ... but the Electoral College numbers were massive. You lose New York, you lose Illinois. Illinois is impossible to win. And you look at, so now you lose New York, Illinois, no matter what you do, and California. Right. And you say, man. Now you have to win Florida, you have to win Ohio, you have to win North Carolina. You have to win all these states, and then I won Wisconsin and Michigan and all of these other places, but you remember there was no way to, there was no way to 270.

The interview is pretty telling of Trump's mindset (or lack thereof); he makes Bush sound articulate.

[SDHornet]

AAaaannnddddd Trump backs off of his border wall stance:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Donald Trump stepped back Monday from demanding a down payment for his border wall in must-past spending legislation, potentially removing a major obstacle to a bipartisan deal just days ahead of a government shutdown deadline.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-wall- ... itics.html

...because he is scared of a little gubmint shutdown.



This wall was always just a troll job to get the BDKKK's and Clucks and other various rednecks into the voting booth for easy votes. Suckers. Anyone thinking this thing was ever going to get built is a complete moran.

[BDKJMU]

AAaaannnddddd Trump backs off of his border wall stance:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Donald Trump stepped back Monday from demanding a down payment for his border wall in must-past spending legislation, potentially removing a major obstacle to a bipartisan deal just days ahead of a government shutdown deadline.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-wall- ... itics.html

...because he is scared of a little gubmint shutdown.



This wall was always just a troll job to get the BDKKK's and Clucks and other various rednecks into the voting booth for easy votes. Suckers. Anyone thinking this thing was ever going to get built is a complete moran.

Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black in regards to predictions regarding Trump & conks. 2 days before the election:

Landslide win is now back on the table for hilldog. The best the conks can hope for is that they don't lose the senate by too much. The good news in this is that the conk party as we knew it is done for, and that is a good thing for America.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5#p1091190

[Ivytalk]

Our Negotiator-in-chief is now willing to settle for a three-mile-long, three-foot-high border wall if he can get the Donks to agree to keep the government funded.

Guvmint by applause meter! Gotta love it. This guy folds easier than a cheap tent in a fresh breeze.

[VictorG]

Our Negotiator-in-chief is now willing to settle for a three-mile-long, three-foot-high border wall if he can get the Donks to agree to keep the government funded.

Guvmint by applause meter! Gotta love it. This guy folds easier than a cheap tent in a fresh breeze.

He figures that at least it might keep some of the real short, sneaky Mexicans out....

[Ibanez]

Our Negotiator-in-chief is now willing to settle for a three-mile-long, three-foot-high border wall if he can get the Donks to agree to keep the government funded.

Guvmint by applause meter! Gotta love it. This guy folds easier than a cheap tent in a fresh breeze.

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Trump's proposing to eliminate Energy Star in his latest budget proposal:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/ ... index.html

It's one of the few public-private programs that genuinely works as intended and is beloved by both regular people and private industry. And it's saved the nation $362 billion in energy costs over 25 years while costing the taxpayers $1.25 billion (yes, that's only a one) in the same time period.

But let's cut it...

[SDHornet]

AAaaannnddddd Trump backs off of his border wall stance:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-wall- ... itics.html

...because he is scared of a little gubmint shutdown.



This wall was always just a troll job to get the BDKKK's and Clucks and other various rednecks into the voting booth for easy votes. Suckers. Anyone thinking this thing was ever going to get built is a complete moran.

Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black in regards to predictions regarding Trump & conks. 2 days before the election:

Landslide win is now back on the table for hilldog. The best the conks can hope for is that they don't lose the senate by too much. The good news in this is that the conk party as we knew it is done for, and that is a good thing for America.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5#p1091190

Except I wasn't stupid enough to vote for him...or that kunt hillary either.

[BDKJMU]

The budget bill that is being voted on now is for FY 2017, which began before Trump was in office, heck before the election, back on Oct 1 of last year. We'll see if funding for the wall is in the FY 2018 budget, which will be the 1st full year budget under Trump. Voting on that begins in Sept I believe.

[Skjellyfetti]

lol.

you think they're voting on FY 2016 now and will vote on FY 2017 in the fall? wtf.

trump submitted his proposed budget is for FY 2018 (that starts in October). the proposed budget is for trump's first full year budget. there are amendments to the 2017 budget, though... one of which is supplemental funding for the border wall.

[kalm]

Our Negotiator-in-chief is now willing to settle for a three-mile-long, three-foot-high border wall if he can get the Donks to agree to keep the government funded.

Guvmint by applause meter! Gotta love it. This guy folds easier than a cheap tent in a fresh breeze.

He figures that at least it might keep some of the real short, sneaky Mexicans out....

[Ibanez]

The budget bill that is being voted on now is for FY 2016, which began before Trump was in office, heck before the election, back on Oct 1 of last year. We'll see if funding for the wall is in the FY 2017 budget, which will be the 1st full year budget under Trump. Voting on that begins in Sept I believe.

What? That's not correct. You don't know how budgets are done. They aren't voting on a budget for a FY that is complete.

The FY16 budget was sent to Congress February 2015 and the resolution passed in May 2015. The FY16 Budget was for October 2015-September 2016.

The FY17 Budget, sent in February 2016, to go from Oct. 16 to Sept. 17, was passed on January 2017.

Trump is working on FY18.



I used to do budget analysis (which was really CRA analysis b/c we didn't have a budget) when I was at Booz Allen for PEO C4I.

[Ibanez]

lol.

you think they're voting on FY 2016 now and will vote on FY 2017 in the fall? wtf.

trump submitted his proposed budget is for FY 2018 (that starts in October). the proposed budget is for trump's first full year budget. there are amendments to the 2017 budget, though... one of which is supplemental funding for the border wall.

I should've looked at this before I posted. But still. Anyone that thinks Trump is working on a budget for 2 years ago doesn't know or understand the federal calendar.

[BDKJMU]

lol.

you think they're voting on FY 2016 now and will vote on FY 2017 in the fall? wtf.

trump submitted his proposed budget is for FY 2018 (that starts in October). the proposed budget is for trump's first full year budget. there are amendments to the 2017 budget, though... one of which is supplemental funding for the border wall.

Yes obviously I was in a time warp and off by a year. I meant FY 17 now and FY 18 in the fall.

[BDKJMU]

The budget bill that is being voted on now is for FY 2016, which began before Trump was in office, heck before the election, back on Oct 1 of last year. We'll see if funding for the wall is in the FY 2017 budget, which will be the 1st full year budget under Trump. Voting on that begins in Sept I believe.

What? That's not correct. You don't know how budgets are done. They aren't voting on a budget for a FY that is complete.

The FY16 budget was sent to Congress February 2015 and the resolution passed in May 2015. The FY16 Budget was for October 2015-September 2016.

The FY17 Budget, sent in February 2016, to go from Oct. 16 to Sept. 17, was passed on January 2017.

Trump is working on FY18.

I used to do budget analysis (which was really CRA analysis b/c we didn't have a budget) when I was at Booz Allen for PEO C4I.

Again I was obviously off a year typed FY 2016 & 2017, major brain fart, meant FY 2017 & 2018.

The possibility of a government shutdown at the end of this week (4/28) wouldn't be because a 2018 budget wasn't passed. We're talking FY 2017 budget $$, which has been operating on continuing resolutions, the last of which was passed in Dec, which goes through Sept. Just reported USAToday:
"...members of the House and Senate Appropriations committees, in consultation with the White House, are hammering out the last few items in a spending bill that would fund federal agencies through September and avert a shutdown. Congress passed a stop-gap spending measure in December that funded federal agencies through April 28...."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 100925460/

The negotiations on FY 2018, which will be the 1st full fiscal year budget under Trump, doesn't start until later this year..

[Ibanez]

What? That's not correct. You don't know how budgets are done. They aren't voting on a budget for a FY that is complete.

The FY16 budget was sent to Congress February 2015 and the resolution passed in May 2015. The FY16 Budget was for October 2015-September 2016.

The FY17 Budget, sent in February 2016, to go from Oct. 16 to Sept. 17, was passed on January 2017.

Trump is working on FY18.

I used to do budget analysis (which was really CRA analysis b/c we didn't have a budget) when I was at Booz Allen for PEO C4I.

Again I was obviously off a year typed FY 2016 & 2017, major brain fart, meant FY 2017 & 2018.

The possibility of a government shutdown at the end of this week (4/28) wouldn't be because a 2018 budget wasn't passed. We're talking FY 2017 budget $$, which has been operating on continuing resolutions, the last of which was passed in Dec, which goes through Sept. Just reported USAToday:
"...members of the House and Senate Appropriations committees, in consultation with the White House, are hammering out the last few items in a spending bill that would fund federal agencies through September and avert a shutdown. Congress passed a stop-gap spending measure in December that funded federal agencies through April 28...."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 100925460/

The negotiations on FY 2018, which will be the 1st full fiscal year budget under Trump, doesn't start until later this year..

My only thing with debating FY18 in the fall...is that it's too late. Oct 1 starts the year.


Leave it up to Congress to be lazy, good for nothing SOBs.

[Jjoey52]

If I am not mistaken Obama never submitted a budget.


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[Ibanez]

If I am not mistaken Obama never submitted a budget.


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You are. He submitted a few late but he submitted them in accordance with the law

The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires the President to submit his budget request for the upcoming fiscal year no later than the first Monday of February.

What you're probably thinking of the CRs that were passed. 2015 saw the first budget in 6 years being passed.

Here's a snapshot
http://budget.house.gov/news/documentsi ... tID=276880