More Conk terrorism - mass shooting at Planned Parenthood cl

[kalm]

Yeah! I've been trying forever to associate the acts of a few terrorists with all Muslims!

Yea, that's what I said too.


It's amazing how obtuse you are. I guess landing at a directional U was no accident.

I mean, really, you and Ibanez are cracking me up. I write something, carefully choosing my words, and this how you guys comprehend what I've said? Damn, the guy marking your SAT reading comprehensions sections must have gotten some great laughs from your answers.

Joe! You know how much I love it when you throw up the white flag of directional school!

This was your concern right from the start.

The goal of people using the term "terrorism" here is to try to associate pro-life expression and pro-life supporters with "terrorism." What follows next is the predictable charge that pro-life expression incites terrorism.

You should have just launched with that because that is indeed an interesting debate and I'm sure one that makes you nervous.

BTW, kudos to anti-abortion groups for quickly condemning the act.

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Perhaps the silver lining is for groups to back off from the dog whistle/inflammatory/dishonest messaging and re-focus on limiting the need for abortions in the first place.

[Bronco]

Must not match the narrative

Police Say They Won’t Release Motive In Colorado Springs Shooting…

Via US News:

Colorado Springs police say they will not disclose why a gunman opened fire at a Planned Parenthood clinic, killing three people.

Police say in a statement Sunday that they are sealing the warrants related to the case against 57-year-old Robert Lewis Dear. They say they are not providing information on the weapon used in Friday’s shooting, a timeline of events or a motive of the suspect.

That will continue to stoke speculation about what led to the shooting that killed a police officer and two other people. Dear is scheduled to make his first court appearance Monday afternoon.

Our Attorney General released a statement within minutes of the attack

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch



“This unconscionable attack was not only a crime against the Colorado Springs community, but a crime against women receiving healthcare services at Planned Parenthood,

[houndawg]

So 12 are either killed or wounded and not a single one connected to Planned Parenthood...but all you hear in the media is Planed Parenthood over and over

Strange that on the shooters voter information card he lists his gender as female

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former Montana player:?

[Ibanez]

But in the arena of those who target abortion doctors and abortion clinics in general, they are clearly terrorists. Their intent is to create fear among the doctors and the women deciding if they are going to get an abortion. It's terrorism, plain and simple. They want their targets to stop performing and/or receiving abortions. In a similar way, muslim terrorist attacks are to get the targets' countries to leave muslim lands.

I don't agree with you on this point, but I appreciate that you actually understand what I said and responded to it.

I understand crystal clear what you posted.

I don't understand your point on someone that is attacking a clinic, (driven be religious/political motives) to instill destruction and fear, isn't a terrorist. Was Eric Rudolph not a terrorist? It's seems pretty simple. He's a murderer. He is a terrorist based off his actions.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't agree with you on this point, but I appreciate that you actually understand what I said and responded to it.

I understand crystal clear what you posted.

I don't understand your point on someone that is attacking a clinic, (driven be religious/political motives) to instill destruction and fear, isn't a terrorist. Was Eric Rudolph not a terrorist? It's seems pretty simple. He's a murderer. He is a terrorist based off his actions.

He is a murderer. He isn't a terrorist. What Eric Rudolph did...what this guy did...doesn't instill "terror" in the general population. Every mass murderer is not a terrorist.

Christ, we can't get our President to call ACTUAL terrorists, terrorists.

[Ibanez]

I understand crystal clear what you posted.

I don't understand your point on someone that is attacking a clinic, (driven be religious/political motives) to instill destruction and fear, isn't a terrorist. Was Eric Rudolph not a terrorist? It's seems pretty simple. He's a murderer. He is a terrorist based off his actions.

He is a murderer. He isn't a terrorist. What Eric Rudolph did...what this guy did...doesn't instill "terror" in the general population. Every mass murderer is not a terrorist.

Christ, we can't get our President to call ACTUAL terrorists, terrorists.

Every mass murderer is not a terrorist. But when you target something like an abortion clinic, the intention is terrorize those working there and going there for the services.

I'm sure people in the areas that Rudolph was bombing, were terrified. I bet the people at the Atlanta Olympics were scared.

[YoUDeeMan]

He is a murderer. He isn't a terrorist. What Eric Rudolph did...what this guy did...doesn't instill "terror" in the general population. Every mass murderer is not a terrorist.

Christ, we can't get our President to call ACTUAL terrorists, terrorists.

Every mass murderer is not a terrorist. But when you target something like an abortion clinic, the intention is terrorize those working there and going there for the services.

I'm sure people in the areas that Rudolph was bombing, were terrified. I bet the people at the Atlanta Olympics were scared.

I'd think that the intention was to kill people...but what do I know.

[Ibanez]

Every mass murderer is not a terrorist. But when you target something like an abortion clinic, the intention is terrorize those working there and going there for the services.

I'm sure people in the areas that Rudolph was bombing, were terrified. I bet the people at the Atlanta Olympics were scared.

I'd think that the intention was to kill people...but what do I know.

No shit? Thanks for that amazing insight. By that logic, can one action only have one effect?

[AZGrizFan]

He is a murderer. He isn't a terrorist. What Eric Rudolph did...what this guy did...doesn't instill "terror" in the general population. Every mass murderer is not a terrorist.

Christ, we can't get our President to call ACTUAL terrorists, terrorists.

Every mass murderer is not a terrorist. But when you target something like an abortion clinic, the intention is terrorize those working there and going there for the services.

I'm sure people in the areas that Rudolph was bombing, were terrified. I bet the people at the Atlanta Olympics were scared.

I'd call the Atlanta Olympics guy a terrorist LONG before this guy.

[Ibanez]

Every mass murderer is not a terrorist. But when you target something like an abortion clinic, the intention is terrorize those working there and going there for the services.

I'm sure people in the areas that Rudolph was bombing, were terrified. I bet the people at the Atlanta Olympics were scared.

I'd call the Atlanta Olympics guy a terrorist LONG before this guy.

So Rudolph was a terrorist that didn't instill "terror?" I can agree to disagree. At the least, this guy is a POS. I think we can all agree on that.

[Skjellyfetti]

I'd call the Atlanta Olympics guy a terrorist LONG before this guy.

But, I guess he wasn't a terrorist when he was bombing abortion clinics and a lesbian gay bar?


Wasn't Nidal Hussein a terrorist? He only targeted a military base... The general population shouldn't have been scared.

What about the Chattanooga guy that shot up a military recruitment center...? I'd certainly consider him a terrorist.I guess you wouldn't?

[kalm]

I understand crystal clear what you posted.

I don't understand your point on someone that is attacking a clinic, (driven be religious/political motives) to instill destruction and fear, isn't a terrorist. Was Eric Rudolph not a terrorist? It's seems pretty simple. He's a murderer. He is a terrorist based off his actions.

He is a murderer. He isn't a terrorist. What Eric Rudolph did...what this guy did...doesn't instill "terror" in the general population. Every mass murderer is not a terrorist.

Christ, we can't get our President to call ACTUAL terrorists, terrorists.

mur·der·ous
ˈmərd(ə)rəs/
adjective
capable of or intending to murder; dangerously violent.
"a brutal and murderous despot"
synonyms: homicidal, brutal, violent, savage, ferocious, fierce, vicious, bloodthirsty, barbarous, barbaric; More
(of an action, event, or plan) involving murder or extreme violence.
"murderous acts of terrorism"

[andy7171]

He is a murderer. He isn't a terrorist. What Eric Rudolph did...what this guy did...doesn't instill "terror" in the general population. Every mass murderer is not a terrorist.

Christ, we can't get our President to call ACTUAL terrorists, terrorists.

Every mass murderer is not a terrorist. But when you target something like an abortion clinic, the intention is terrorize those working there and going there for the services.

I'm sure people in the areas that Rudolph was bombing, were terrified. I bet the people at the Atlanta Olympics were scared.

Attacking a place of business, the intent would be to harm or kill people within that business. Setting a bomb off in a public place, like the Boston Marathon finish line, the intent would be 1- to kill people, 2-to scare people from coming out into public.

Pretty sure every victim of any crime would be terrified.

[kalm]

Every mass murderer is not a terrorist. But when you target something like an abortion clinic, the intention is terrorize those working there and going there for the services.

I'm sure people in the areas that Rudolph was bombing, were terrified. I bet the people at the Atlanta Olympics were scared.

Attacking a place of business, the intent would be to harm or kill people within that business. Setting a bomb off in a public place, like the Boston Marathon finish line, the intent would be 1- to kill people, 2-to scare people from coming out into public.

Pretty sure every victim of any crime would be terrified.

Oh. So he just had an issue with THAT PP business. The rest of you PP's...we're cool!

[JoltinJoe]

Joe's putting on a trolling clinic.

I should have never told you about my trolling style.

Yes, I was trolling, but not aimlessly. It was amusing to me that Sky leaped to call it "conk terrorism" and the usual suspects jumped right. But, as AsGriz noted, when "terrorism" does not fit their outlook, how stubborn they are to call rather clear acts of terrorism by the label of "terrorism."

So I trolled them.

CID and 93Hen are right: none of us have any idea what was in this guy's mind and, unless some meaningful connection/support to an extremist pro-life group is discovered, the most likely reason this guy shot up the PP is that he is mentally ill -- not a sociopathic terrorist.

We are so quick to politicize mass violence in our society, to fit our agenda, when in fact the real reason for most acts of mass, random violence is that the perp is mentally ill. That's the discussion we need to have, but no political points can be won discussing how to address the needs of the mentally ill.

Done trolling. You're no fun.

[Ibanez]

Joe's putting on a trolling clinic.

I should have never told you about my trolling style.

Yes, I was trolling, but not aimlessly. It was amusing to me that Sky leaped to call it "conk terrorism" and the usual suspects jumped right. But, as AsGriz noted, when "terrorism" does not fit their outlook, how stubborn they are to call rather clear acts of terrorism by the label of "terrorism."

So I trolled them.

CID and 93Hen are right: none of us have any idea what was in this guy's mind and, unless some meaningful connection/support to an extremist pro-life group is discovered, the most likely reason this guy shot up the PP is that he is mentally ill -- not a sociopathic terrorist.

We are so quick to politicize mass violence in our society, to fit our agenda, when in fact the real reason for most acts of mass, random violence is that the perp is mentally ill. That's the discussion we need to have, but no political points can be won discussing how to address the needs of the mentally ill.

Done trolling. You're no fun.

Conk terrorism is just stupid. I jumped to a conclusion, based of the past of abortion bombers being crazy religious fanatics that murder to justify/punish a murder.

[kalm]

Joe's putting on a trolling clinic.

I should have never told you about my trolling style.

Yes, I was trolling, but not aimlessly. It was amusing to me that Sky leaped to call it "conk terrorism" and the usual suspects jumped right. But, as AsGriz noted, when "terrorism" does not fit their outlook, how stubborn they are to call rather clear acts of terrorism by the label of "terrorism."

So I trolled them.

CID and 93Hen are right: none of us have any idea what was in this guy's mind and, unless some meaningful connection/support to an extremist pro-life group is discovered, the most likely reason this guy shot up the PP is that he is mentally ill -- not a sociopathic terrorist.

We are so quick to politicize mass violence in our society, to fit our agenda, when in fact the real reason for most acts of mass, random violence is that the perp is mentally ill. That's the discussion we need to have, but no political points can be won discussing how to address the needs of the mentally ill.

Done trolling. You're no fun.

I didn't write the thread title. I was simply replying to your initial dumb post.

Congrats.

[JoltinJoe]

I should have never told you about my trolling style.

Yes, I was trolling, but not aimlessly. It was amusing to me that Sky leaped to call it "conk terrorism" and the usual suspects jumped right. But, as AsGriz noted, when "terrorism" does not fit their outlook, how stubborn they are to call rather clear acts of terrorism by the label of "terrorism."

So I trolled them.

CID and 93Hen are right: none of us have any idea what was in this guy's mind and, unless some meaningful connection/support to an extremist pro-life group is discovered, the most likely reason this guy shot up the PP is that he is mentally ill -- not a sociopathic terrorist.

We are so quick to politicize mass violence in our society, to fit our agenda, when in fact the real reason for most acts of mass, random violence is that the perp is mentally ill. That's the discussion we need to have, but no political points can be won discussing how to address the needs of the mentally ill.

Done trolling. You're no fun.

I didn't write the thread title. I was simply replying to your initial dumb post.

Congrats.

Aw, is your butt hurt?

No, you didn't write the thread title. If you did, you probably would have wrote, "Conk war."

You were more the target than anyone. I was tempted to troll the moment I saw the thread, but decided to let it go -- until I saw that you asked in the fourth post if the cop was "more collateral damage in your war."

[kalm]

I didn't write the thread title. I was simply replying to your initial dumb post.

Congrats.

Aw, is your butt hurt?

No, you didn't write the thread title. If you did, you probably would have wrote, "Conk war."

You were more the target than anyone. I was tempted to troll the moment I saw the thread, but decided to let it go -- until I saw that you asked in the fourth post if the cop was "more collateral damage in your war."

Butt hurt? I've been here way too long to get butt hurt.

I might ask you the same question though...

I made a simple, sarcastic reply to JSO's comment about not having an issue with killing abortion providers (now THAT was a nice troll by JSO). Did his comment make you uncomfortable?

My reply had nothing to do with you but I'm glad it made you come out of the woodwork.

I suppose your thread title would have been "Hero Saves Thousands of Childrens Lives in Brave Colorado Shootout"

[AshevilleApp]

Joe. The IRA also targeted civilians in Northern Ireland and England. Their Protestant counterparts also targeted civilians.

You are misinformed.

The IRA did not target civilians.

The first targeting of civilians in Northern Ireland was done by the police forces (controlled by Great Britain), and by British military forces, and they often targeted civilians at Catholic churches/events.

The divide in Northern Ireland was never really Catholic v. Protestant. That was, again, a convenient tool by which Great Britain defined the circumstances and thus managed to divert attention from the fact that it was illegally occupying Ireland. The Irish were predominantly Catholic. The illegal occupiers were primarily Protestant. It was a stroke of "genius" to attack the Irish civilian population while they attended church services, to create the appearance of a "religious" divide between Catholic and Protestants, and to obscure that the issue was really British occupation of six counties of Ireland.

AFTER the British targeted the Irish civilian populations, more militant members of the IRA broke away and formed what is properly referred to as the "Provisional Irish Republican Army." This is the organization which carried out the attacks you mentioned (and most famously, the attack on Lord Mountbatten). Once again, the Brits managed the PR perfectly by getting the media to use the term "IRA" to refer to what was actually the "Provisional IRA."

[andy7171]

Attacking a place of business, the intent would be to harm or kill people within that business. Setting a bomb off in a public place, like the Boston Marathon finish line, the intent would be 1- to kill people, 2-to scare people from coming out into public.

Pretty sure every victim of any crime would be terrified.

Oh. So he just had an issue with THAT PP business. The rest of you PP's...we're cool!

Do we actually know what "his" motives were yet?

[DSUrocks07]

Oh. So he just had an issue with THAT PP business. The rest of you PP's...we're cool!

Do we actually know what "his" motives were yet?

Nope. Because everyone is more concerned with narratives, excuses, and selectively using facts as a means of making a point.

So at the end of the day "his" motives don't matter, because perception is reality now.

I could go to my ex's boyfriend's job and shoot him and three of his coworkers. It could be because the four of them gangraped her at a party, but if he worked at the mayor's office as a clerk, it would be a terrorist attack depending on which city I lived in and which party was currently in control.

Also I would be labeled a thug if they were white because n*****.

[kalm]

Oh. So he just had an issue with THAT PP business. The rest of you PP's...we're cool!

Do we actually know what "his" motives were yet?

Of course not, Andy. But that's beside the point!

[JoltinJoe]

You are misinformed.

The IRA did not target civilians.

The first targeting of civilians in Northern Ireland was done by the police forces (controlled by Great Britain), and by British military forces, and they often targeted civilians at Catholic churches/events.

The divide in Northern Ireland was never really Catholic v. Protestant. That was, again, a convenient tool by which Great Britain defined the circumstances and thus managed to divert attention from the fact that it was illegally occupying Ireland. The Irish were predominantly Catholic. The illegal occupiers were primarily Protestant. It was a stroke of "genius" to attack the Irish civilian population while they attended church services, to create the appearance of a "religious" divide between Catholic and Protestants, and to obscure that the issue was really British occupation of six counties of Ireland.

AFTER the British targeted the Irish civilian populations, more militant members of the IRA broke away and formed what is properly referred to as the "Provisional Irish Republican Army." This is the organization which carried out the attacks you mentioned (and most famously, the attack on Lord Mountbatten). Once again, the Brits managed the PR perfectly by getting the media to use the term "IRA" to refer to what was actually the "Provisional IRA."

Try these links! Become educated!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provision ... lican_Army" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The 1960s movement in Northern Ireland by the descendants of the native Irish was non-violent, until the founding of the Ulster Defence Committee, which thereafter began attacks on Irish civilians.

The roots of the dispute go back hundreds of years, when the British occupied Northern Ireland and started confiscating property that belonged to the Irish, while denying the Irish basic civil rights. In time, the descendants of the British became a majority in these Irish lands and the British tried to take Northern Ireland and align it with Great Britain.

The history of the British in Ireland is monstrous. Just as one example, during the famine, the British continued to export food from Ireland -- Irish food! -- while the Irish starved.

[AshevilleApp]

Joe, I know a bit about the troubles. Bless your heart though. I'm Irish Catholic by birth, and some of my family participated in them. (IRB though, not IRA, or Provos as far as i know ).

Great Wiki links though! Troll!