Rich Old Man playing sherriff "accidently" kills suspect

[CID1990]

Actually, nobody in SC really gives the same training. Reserves can't go through the SCCJA because seats are limited and they need them all for the regular recruits. Plus, departments pay for their trainees and budgets (especially Sheriff's office budgets) won't support it.

DCSO, like all departments with reserves, holds their own training "academy" and then the test is administered at the SCCJA- but I would find it hard to believe they have changed things to match up with the academy, because that is 8 weeks long, 5 days a week all day. To match that for someone who is working a regular job full time it would take a year or more to complete.

Reserve police accreditation standards are set by SLED/SCCJA which makes it the same for everybody, and the no pay thing is also a rule.

You do an 8-12 week course. It's not the SCCJA, but it's still a LE academy administered by an LE agency. I looked into doing it a while back.

That's a recent change for DC SO then, and peculiar that for a cash strapped sheriff's office they can spend that amount of money to train deputies who don't have independent power of arrest. Not to mention who can take off 8-12 weeks from work for a volunteer job.

You sure it wasn't 8-12 weeks of evening classes two nights a week? That's how every other agency in SC that has reserves does it.

[Ibanez]

You do an 8-12 week course. It's not the SCCJA, but it's still a LE academy administered by an LE agency. I looked into doing it a while back.

That's a recent change for DC SO then, and peculiar that for a cash strapped sheriff's office they can spend that amount of money to train deputies who don't have independent power of arrest. Not to mention who can take off 8-12 weeks from work for a volunteer job.

You sure it wasn't 8-12 weeks of evening classes two nights a week? That's how every other agency in SC that has reserves does it.

DCCSO said nothing about evening classes Summerville PD, however, operates that way.

[CID1990]

That's a recent change for DC SO then, and peculiar that for a cash strapped sheriff's office they can spend that amount of money to train deputies who don't have independent power of arrest. Not to mention who can take off 8-12 weeks from work for a volunteer job.

You sure it wasn't 8-12 weeks of evening classes two nights a week? That's how every other agency in SC that has reserves does it.

DCCSO said nothing about evening classes Summerville PD, however, operates that way.

Well one thing is certain- if you can take 8-12 weeks off to train for a volunteer job, you're either independently wealthy or you have an EBT card.

[Skjellyfetti]

Sources: Supervisors told to falsify reserve deputy's training records; department announces internal review

Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.

At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.

Bates, 73, is accused of second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.

The sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.

An attorney for Harris’ family also raised questions about the authenticity of Bates’ training records.
Additionally, Sheriff Stanley Glanz told a Tulsa radio station this week that Bates had been certified to use three weapons, including a revolver he fired at Harris. However, Glanz said the Sheriff’s Office has not been able to find the paperwork on those certifications.

The sheriff’s deputy that certified Bates has moved on to work for the Secret Service, Glanz said during the radio interview.

“We can’t find the records that she supposedly turned in,” Glanz said. “So we are going to talk to her to find out if for sure he’s been qualified with those (weapons).”

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[AZGrizFan]

Sources: Supervisors told to falsify reserve deputy's training records; department announces internal review

Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.

At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.

Bates, 73, is accused of second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.

The sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.

An attorney for Harris’ family also raised questions about the authenticity of Bates’ training records.
Additionally, Sheriff Stanley Glanz told a Tulsa radio station this week that Bates had been certified to use three weapons, including a revolver he fired at Harris. However, Glanz said the Sheriff’s Office has not been able to find the paperwork on those certifications.

The sheriff’s deputy that certified Bates has moved on to work for the Secret Service, Glanz said during the radio interview.
“We can’t find the records that she supposedly turned in,” Glanz said. “So we are going to talk to her to find out if for sure he’s been qualified with those (weapons).”

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Well, THAT explains a lot about recent antics within the Secret Service....

[dbackjon]

Sources: Supervisors told to falsify reserve deputy's training records; department announces internal review

Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.

At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.

Bates, 73, is accused of second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.

The sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.

An attorney for Harris’ family also raised questions about the authenticity of Bates’ training records.
Additionally, Sheriff Stanley Glanz told a Tulsa radio station this week that Bates had been certified to use three weapons, including a revolver he fired at Harris. However, Glanz said the Sheriff’s Office has not been able to find the paperwork on those certifications.

The sheriff’s deputy that certified Bates has moved on to work for the Secret Service, Glanz said during the radio interview.

“We can’t find the records that she supposedly turned in,” Glanz said. “So we are going to talk to her to find out if for sure he’s been qualified with those (weapons).”

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BOOM!!!

Once again, I was 100$ correct on this, T-bag 100% WRONG.

[andy7171]

The guy is dead. What difference at this point does it make?

[Grizalltheway]

The guy is dead. What difference at this point does it make?

Good point, Hillary.

[dbackjon]

The guy is dead. What difference at this point does it make?

You are right. None.


I hear Aaron Hernandez is signing with the Ravens, and moving to Catonsville.

[travelinman67]

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BOOM!!!

Once again, I was 100$ correct on this, T-bag 100% WRONG.

Man, you're dense.

I asserted there was a training differential. The Sheriff didn't lie about Bate's training, Bates lied during the investigation.

Once again, Dback...

[dbackjon]

BOOM!!!

Once again, I was 100$ correct on this, T-bag 100% WRONG.

Man, you're dense.

I asserted there was a training differential. The Sheriff didn't lie about Bate's training, Bates lied during the investigation.

Once again, Dback...

Did you even read the article? Denseman67

[andy7171]

The guy is dead. What difference at this point does it make?

You are right. None.


I hear Aaron Hernandez is signing with the Ravens, and moving to Catonsville.

I'm not a snitch. We'd get along just fine. If he weren't living in prison for the rest of his life.

[kalm]

Man, you're dense.

I asserted there was a training differential. The Sheriff didn't lie about Bate's training, Bates lied during the investigation.

Once again, Dback...

Did you even read the article? Denseman67

No shit.

[Chizzang]

T-man doesn't "read the articles" people... so stop asking
He doesn't even read the articles he posts

He tells you how it is - and then calls you names when you ask him questions
It's like trying to have a conversation with this girl below

[travelinman67]

T-man doesn't "read the articles" people... so stop asking
He doesn't even read the articles he posts

He tells you how it is - and then calls you names when you ask him questions
It's like trying to have a conversation with this girl below

I read the article. You clearly didn't read it.

SPECIFICALLY, cite the discrepancy between what I stated and the article.

You won't, because you can't.

[Chizzang]

T-man doesn't "read the articles" people... so stop asking
He doesn't even read the articles he posts

He tells you how it is - and then calls you names when you ask him questions
It's like trying to have a conversation with this girl below

I read the article. You clearly didn't read it.

SPECIFICALLY, cite the discrepancy between what I stated and the article.

You won't, because you can't.

T-man
I'm defending you
Whilst simultaneously making note of a general trend

Your job here is not to know what the situation is and respond logically
Your job is to tell everybody to stop being idiots and assholes regardless of the situation
Don't go changing on us now old man - we need you

[travelinman67]

I read the article. You clearly didn't read it.

SPECIFICALLY, cite the discrepancy between what I stated and the article.

You won't, because you can't.

T-man
I'm defending you
Whilst simultaneously making note of a general trend

Your job here is not to know what the situation is and respond logically
Your job is to tell everybody to stop being idiots and assholes regardless of the situation
Don't go changing on us now old man - we need you

Translation : "I got nuthin. I was just tag-team trolling you.

[Chizzang]

T-man
I'm defending you
Whilst simultaneously making note of a general trend

Your job here is not to know what the situation is and respond logically
Your job is to tell everybody to stop being idiots and assholes regardless of the situation
Don't go changing on us now old man - we need you

Translation : "I got nuthin. I was just tag-team trolling you.

T-man
According to you everybody's "got nuthin"