Progressives War Against Christians

[BlueHen86]

The "Christian" right decided to align itself with the Republican party so that it could enforce it's will on others, something that I doubt Jesus would do. Now they are crying because there is pushback.

[kalm]

Do these hitching posts provide millions of dollars to the needy?

kalmy and Chizzy, you don't really want to escalate this argument, do you?

I'm just making a legitimate observation
I don't care if churches don't pay taxes or whatever

but we need to stop pretending that Religion isn't business

If it's a business, it should pay taxes like a business and be subject to the same rules. I pay $21,000 a year in property taxes alone on the business, no children have been sexually molested, and many people find spiritual awakening there.

[kalm]

On a lighter note, non-descriminating hitching posts with a liquor and recreational weed license might be a growth industry.

[CAA Flagship]

The "Christian" right decided to align itself with the Republican party so that it could enforce it's will on others, something that I doubt Jesus would do. Now they are crying because there is pushback.

While that may be the view of some, I doubt it is the view of a majority. The preservation of values, and the prevention of further degradation, is the most prominent reason, IMO.

[kalm]

The "Christian" right decided to align itself with the Republican party so that it could enforce it's will on others, something that I doubt Jesus would do. Now they are crying because there is pushback.

While that may be the view of some, I doubt it is the view of a majority. The preservation of values, and the prevention of further degradation, is the most prominent reason, IMO.

I find it hard to believe the Christian Right is a live and let live group. They're just as bossy about their "values" as the "progressives" and they want the power to force their "values" on others.

[CAA Flagship]

While that may be the view of some, I doubt it is the view of a majority. The preservation of values, and the prevention of further degradation, is the most prominent reason, IMO.

I find it hard to believe the Christian Right is a live and let live group. They're just as bossy about their "values" as the "progressives" and they want the power to force their "values" on others.

Meh, I need some examples before I can agree or disagree.
I'm guessing that, for the most part, they are trying to prevent further degradation more than they are trying to raise the bar.

[Chizzang]

I find it hard to believe the Christian Right is a live and let live group. They're just as bossy about their "values" as the "progressives" and they want the power to force their "values" on others.

Meh, I need some examples before I can agree or disagree.
I'm guessing that, for the most part, they are trying to prevent further degradation more than they are trying to raise the bar.

Lets play Reverse Psychology 101
As you can see Flaggy has submitted his example above



BTW: The word value is code... use the real word there Flag

[CAA Flagship]

Meh, I need some examples before I can agree or disagree.
I'm guessing that, for the most part, they are trying to prevent further degradation more than they are trying to raise the bar.

Lets play Reverse Psychology 101
As you can see Flaggy has submitted his example above



BTW: The word value is code... use the real word there Flag

What?
Exactly what are you assuming?

[Chizzang]

Lets play Reverse Psychology 101
As you can see Flaggy has submitted his example above



BTW: The word value is code... use the real word there Flag

What?
Exactly what are you assuming?

I'm assuming you're talking about Christian Values (correct..?)

Because the last time I checked They were as follows

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"



But I'm pretty sure you're confused about Christian Values and Legislation (as are most Christians)

[CAA Flagship]

What?
Exactly what are you assuming?

I'm assuming you're talking about Christian Values (correct..?)

Because the last time I checked They were as follows

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"



But I'm pretty sure you're confused about Christian Values and Legislation (as are most Christians)

I thought we were talking about the difference in "enforcing it's will" vs. "preservation of values and prevention of further degradation" as being the majority reason for Christians choosing the Republican Party.

[Chizzang]

I'm assuming you're talking about Christian Values (correct..?)

Because the last time I checked They were as follows

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"



But I'm pretty sure you're confused about Christian Values and Legislation (as are most Christians)

I thought we were talking about the difference in "enforcing it's will" vs. "preservation of values and prevention of further degradation" as being the majority reason for Christians choosing the Republican Party.

Exactly...
So what part of the Republican Party defends those Christian Values I listed above ..?
Please explain where those come into play with the Republican Party exactly..?

[CAA Flagship]

I thought we were talking about the difference in "enforcing it's will" vs. "preservation of values and prevention of further degradation" as being the majority reason for Christians choosing the Republican Party.

Exactly...
So what part of the Republican Party defends those Christian Values I listed above ..?
Please explain where those come into play with the Republican Party exactly..?

I'm not sure what you are getting at.
I think we are arguing two different points here.

[Chizzang]

Exactly...
So what part of the Republican Party defends those Christian Values I listed above ..?
Please explain where those come into play with the Republican Party exactly..?

I'm not sure what you are getting at.
I think we are arguing two different points here.

Your own quote:
"While that may be the view of some, I doubt it is the view of a majority. The preservation of values, and the prevention of further degradation, is the most prominent reason, IMO."

So you don't understand you're own quote..?

[CID1990]

What?
Exactly what are you assuming?

I'm assuming you're talking about Christian Values (correct..?)

Because the last time I checked They were as follows

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"



But I'm pretty sure you're confused about Christian Values and Legislation (as are most Christians)

If I ever want to troll you up I will start a thread in defense of Christians

Its like catnip to you.... you roll in them - smear them on your face - piss all over yourself and then your extremities go numb

[CAA Flagship]

I'm not sure what you are getting at.
I think we are arguing two different points here.

Your own quote:
"While that may be the view of some, I doubt it is the view of a majority. The preservation of values, and the prevention of further degradation, is the most prominent reason, IMO."

So you don't understand you're own quote..?

86 said, "The "Christian" right decided to align itself with the Republican party so that it could enforce it's will on others..."

I felt that he was generalizing a larger group because of what he perceived from a smaller group. I believe that most of the Christian right just want to preserve the things that are current (having given up a lot of ground over the years), rather than "enforcing their will" (which I take as reversing things). But society is degrading on all fronts, and they are not only not holding their footing, but they are losing ground.

The point is that they know they are losing ground and can't do anything to reverse it. Their only hope is to prevent further losses, or more likely, slow it down.

Now I'm not sure what you were saying as it related to anything I said, or meant to say.

[Chizzang]

Your own quote:
"While that may be the view of some, I doubt it is the view of a majority. The preservation of values, and the prevention of further degradation, is the most prominent reason, IMO."

So you don't understand you're own quote..?

86 said, "The "Christian" right decided to align itself with the Republican party so that it could enforce it's will on others..."

I felt that he was generalizing a larger group because of what he perceived from a smaller group. I believe that most of the Christian right just want to preserve the things that are current (having given up a lot of ground over the years), rather than "enforcing their will" (which I take as reversing things). But society is degrading on all fronts, and they are not only not holding their footing, but they are losing ground.

The point is that they know they are losing ground and can't do anything to reverse it. Their only hope is to prevent further losses, or more likely, slow it down.

Now I'm not sure what you were saying as it related to anything I said, or meant to say.

Fair enough I guess...
But the idea that society is "degrading on all fronts" is complete hogwash and I can place a logical argument with facts to back it up - that things have never been better for more people

And you can only back your claim up with Emotional assertions... driveled from the mouths of hate mongers

[Chizzang]

I'm assuming you're talking about Christian Values (correct..?)

Because the last time I checked They were as follows

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"



But I'm pretty sure you're confused about Christian Values and Legislation (as are most Christians)

If I ever want to troll you up I will start a thread in defense of Christians

Its like catnip to you.... you roll in them - smear them on your face - piss all over yourself and then your extremities go numb

Is that all you got..?
You'll notice I'm just as vigorous in my attacks on Islam - and yet that goes unnoticed by you..?

Classic Right Wing persecution syndrome

[travelinman67]

...Classic Right Wing persecution syndrome

Wrong.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

We're the persecutors, not the persecuted.

[Chizzang]

...Classic Right Wing persecution syndrome

Wrong.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

We're the persecutors, not the persecuted.

Check the name of the thread Sherlock

[CAA Flagship]

86 said, "The "Christian" right decided to align itself with the Republican party so that it could enforce it's will on others..."

I felt that he was generalizing a larger group because of what he perceived from a smaller group. I believe that most of the Christian right just want to preserve the things that are current (having given up a lot of ground over the years), rather than "enforcing their will" (which I take as reversing things). But society is degrading on all fronts, and they are not only not holding their footing, but they are losing ground.

The point is that they know they are losing ground and can't do anything to reverse it. Their only hope is to prevent further losses, or more likely, slow it down.

Now I'm not sure what you were saying as it related to anything I said, or meant to say.

Fair enough I guess...
But the idea that society is "degrading on all fronts" is complete hogwash and I can place a logical argument with facts to back it up - that things have never been better for more people

And you can only back your claim up with Emotional assertions... driveled from the mouths of hate mongers

I think it is hard to argue that, for the Christian right, society is not degrading on all fronts. Just look at how much looser TV and radio has gotten over the years. So many entertainers and athletes have proven to be poor role models over and over again, because that is what the industry says will maintain their popularity.
Their (Christian right) way of life is being challenged on so many levels that they are losing ground and they know it. In this discussion, it does not matter whether you agree with their views or not. It's just simply understanding what their view is and relating it to societal changes. I don't see how, overall, things have gotten better for them.

[AZGrizFan]

While that may be the view of some, I doubt it is the view of a majority. The preservation of values, and the prevention of further degradation, is the most prominent reason, IMO.

I find it hard to believe the Christian Right is a live and let live group. They're just as bossy about their "values" as the "progressives" and they want the power to force their "values" on others.

ISIS wants to "force their values" on others. The Christian Right just thinks you're stupid if you don't believe as they do.

[kalm]

I find it hard to believe the Christian Right is a live and let live group. They're just as bossy about their "values" as the "progressives" and they want the power to force their "values" on others.

ISIS wants to "force their values" on others. The Christian Right just thinks you're stupid if you don't believe as they do.

Tell that to Ralph Reed and James Dobson.

[Chizzang]

Fair enough I guess...
But the idea that society is "degrading on all fronts" is complete hogwash and I can place a logical argument with facts to back it up - that things have never been better for more people

And you can only back your claim up with Emotional assertions... driveled from the mouths of hate mongers

I think it is hard to argue that, for the Christian right, society is not degrading on all fronts. Just look at how much looser TV and radio has gotten over the years. So many entertainers and athletes have proven to be poor role models over and over again, because that is what the industry says will maintain their popularity.
Their (Christian right) way of life is being challenged on so many levels that they are losing ground and they know it. In this discussion, it does not matter whether you agree with their views or not. It's just simply understanding what their view is and relating it to societal changes. I don't see how, overall, things have gotten better for them.

we're still talking about these values (below) right..?

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

[CAA Flagship]

I think it is hard to argue that, for the Christian right, society is not degrading on all fronts. Just look at how much looser TV and radio has gotten over the years. So many entertainers and athletes have proven to be poor role models over and over again, because that is what the industry says will maintain their popularity.
Their (Christian right) way of life is being challenged on so many levels that they are losing ground and they know it. In this discussion, it does not matter whether you agree with their views or not. It's just simply understanding what their view is and relating it to societal changes. I don't see how, overall, things have gotten better for them.

we're still talking about these values (below) right..?

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

The values do not matter in this discussion. We are discussing the actions of the Christian right.
Now, if you want to change the discussion, that's fine. What about the values?

[Chizzang]

we're still talking about these values (below) right..?

1) Love God: "You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul"
2) Fidelity in marriage: "Whom God has joined together let no man put asunder"
3) Renunciation of worldly goods: "Gather not riches up upon this earth, for there your heart will be also"
4) Renunciation of violence: "If a man strikes you on one cheek, turn the other cheek",
5) Forgiveness of sins: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"
6) Unconditional love: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

The values do not matter in this discussion. We are discussing the actions of the Christian right.
Now, if you want to change the discussion, that's fine. What about the values?

Why would you say it was about preserving certain values in a previous post and then say ^ this..?