The DOD just gave away more of your Money.

[93henfan]

I always hated the M9 too.

[mrklean]

You don't care about this but you Bitch about Obamacare? OK

Wow, that's a leap. I don't care about a purchase/contract that was executed 10+ years ago. That has no bearing on the problems with the Affordable Care Act. Why don't you read the reports from last summer as to why the D0D is sticking with the M4.

Did you belive this crap? The best performance weapon was the H&K 416. Men from Delta and Seal Team 6 love this weapon. It was hands down the best weapon. But Colt won the contract.

[93henfan]

Wow, that's a leap. I don't care about a purchase/contract that was executed 10+ years ago. That has no bearing on the problems with the Affordable Care Act. Why don't you read the reports from last summer as to why the D0D is sticking with the M4.

Did you belive this crap? The best performance weapon was the H&K 416. Men from Delta and Seal Team 6 love this weapon. It was hands down the best weapon. But Colt won the contract.

What type of procurement was conducted and what were the evaluation factors? If you cannot answer that then you cannot critique the decision to award.

The FAR requires every solicitation to, at a minimum, consider both technical performance and price as evaluation factors in a competitive (Part 15) procurement. In most of my procurements, I have several other evaluation factors (past performance, small business utilization, etc) with various weights, depending on the nature of the procurement. Most of what I procure is professional services, particularly analytical and engineering services for DoD, and we usually weigh technical and management factors significantly more important than price.

In the case of buying "widgets", and guns are essentially "widgets", the KO will sometimes weight price more heavily so long as the item meets a technical acceptability standard. This is called LPTA and that's quite possibly the type of procurement that was conducted for the rifles in question.

[Ibanez]

Wow, that's a leap. I don't care about a purchase/contract that was executed 10+ years ago. That has no bearing on the problems with the Affordable Care Act. Why don't you read the reports from last summer as to why the D0D is sticking with the M4.

Did you belive this crap? The best performance weapon was the H&K 416. Men from Delta and Seal Team 6 love this weapon. It was hands down the best weapon. But Colt won the contract.

That's all well in good, but go back to my first point: COST! I've did a great deal of IT procurement and the most loved product wasn't always the best one for the job. Sometimes, what the troops love doesn't mean it's the best for the current fiscal/combat situation. Yeah, it has great stoppage and is in the threshold of jams, misfires, etc.... but so did the Colt. So, why replace everything when what you have is working just fine?

You might not realize this, but many times the decision makers don't care what some grunt likes or doesn't like.

[Ibanez]

Did you belive this crap? The best performance weapon was the H&K 416. Men from Delta and Seal Team 6 love this weapon. It was hands down the best weapon. But Colt won the contract.

What type of procurement was conducted and what were the evaluation factors? If you cannot answer that then you cannot critique the decision to award.

The FAR requires every solicitation to, at a minimum, consider both technical performance and price as evaluation factors in a competitive (Part 15) procurement. In most of my procurements, I have several other evaluation factors with various weights, depending on the nature of the procurement. Most of what I procure is professional services, particularly analytical and engineering services for DoD, and we usually weigh technical and management factors significantly more important than price.

In the case of buying "widgets", and guns are essentially "widgets", the KO will sometimes weight price more heavily so long as the item meets a technical acceptability standard. This is called LPTA and that's quite possibly the type of procurement that was conducted for the rifles in question.

You know he doesn't know/care about that. Klean sees that the H&K is a superior weapon, and maybe it is, but what he fails to grasp is that DoD procurement s don't go Fort Bragg, ask 100 soldiers which one they prefer and then go buy it.

In 2006 an Army solicitation for competitive procurement of 5.56mm carbine designs was withdrawn, once sole-source incumbent Colt dropped its prices. The DoD’s Inspector General weighed in with a critical report, but the Army dissented, defending its practices as a sound negotiating approach that saved the taxpayers money.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the ... rsy-03289/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do yourself a favor and research.

[mrklean]

CEO William Keys, who is also a retired USMC General, explained out to Army Times that Colt has to build what the US Army asks for, to the Army’s exact specifications:

This is the Phucking problem that Im talking about.....................you keep defending this shit.

[Ibanez]

CEO William Keys, who is also a retired USMC General, explained out to Army Times that Colt has to build what the US Army asks for, to the Army’s exact specifications:

This is the Phucking problem that Im talking about.....................you keep defending this shit.

Jesus Fucking Christ. Are you serious. You are really a dumbshit. If you are going to bitch about the process, at least UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. Fucking Burger King will build anything you ask them, as long as you PAY them.

You don't understand have this world works. So i'll break it down for your ignorant ass. The Army releases a request for propsoal and says, " I want 500,000 guns with the following specifications." Then companies like Colt, HK, Beretta will respond and say, " Ok, we will sell you 500,000 guns with the specs you want for $40M" That's how it fucking works. Of course Colt has to build what the Army asks for, that's whole fucking idea. Are you really this damn stupid? I mean, for fucks sake.


if they don't like it (which seems NOT to be the case) then they usually change. The M4s problems in the desert are well documented so it's a matter of a suitable replacement or fix.

[mrklean]

CEO William Keys, who is also a retired USMC General, explained out to Army Times that Colt has to build what the US Army asks for, to the Army’s exact specifications:

This is the Phucking problem that Im talking about.....................you keep defending this ****.

Jesus **** Christ. Are you serious. You are really a dumbshit. If you are going to bitch about the process, at least UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. **** Burger King will build anything you ask them, as long as you PAY them.

You don't understand have this world works. So i'll break it down for your ignorant ass. The Army releases a request for propsoal and says, " I want 500,000 guns with the following specifications." Then companies like Colt, HK, Beretta will respond and say, " Ok, we will sell you 500,000 guns with the specs you want for $40M" That's how it **** works. Of course Colt has to build what the Army asks for, that's whole **** idea. Are you really this damn stupid? I mean, for **** sake.


if they don't like it (which seems NOT to be the case) then they usually change. The M4s problems in the desert are well documented so it's a matter of a suitable replacement or fix.

OK, dude I give up. I guess you don't care that we don't get the best for our troops. And in this case, they got the same shyt and the same problems that they got 30 years ago. The H&K 416 proved that it could fire in sand and in mud. I'm not mad, its the DOD, being the DOD.

[CID1990]

Jesus **** Christ. Are you serious. You are really a dumbshit. If you are going to bitch about the process, at least UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. **** Burger King will build anything you ask them, as long as you PAY them.

You don't understand have this world works. So i'll break it down for your ignorant ass. The Army releases a request for propsoal and says, " I want 500,000 guns with the following specifications." Then companies like Colt, HK, Beretta will respond and say, " Ok, we will sell you 500,000 guns with the specs you want for $40M" That's how it **** works. Of course Colt has to build what the Army asks for, that's whole **** idea. Are you really this damn stupid? I mean, for **** sake.


if they don't like it (which seems NOT to be the case) then they usually change. The M4s problems in the desert are well documented so it's a matter of a suitable replacement or fix.

OK, dude I give up. I guess you don't care that we don't get the best for our troops. And in this case, they got the same shyt and the same problems that they got 30 years ago. The H&K 416 proved that it could fire in sand and in mud. I'm not mad, its the DOD, being the DOD.

Klean, here's a news flash for you:

Out troops have NEVER, EVER had the best. They have always had crap and it has always been that way. Even the Colt 1911 and the Springfield 03 were not ideal combat weapons.

From freezing to death at Valley Forge to dying of peritonitis and typhus at Spotsylvania, vastly inferior weapons in WWI, vastly inferior weapons in WWII (rifles, machine guns, aircraft, submarines, you name it)

You act like this is a recent phenomenon- but large militaries never have the best equipment they can have- and neither state owned production nor free market capitalism, nor the feudal system have been able to overcome this in hundreds of years.

You might as well be bitching about women being difficult

[93henfan]

[Ibanez]

Jesus **** Christ. Are you serious. You are really a dumbshit. If you are going to bitch about the process, at least UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. **** Burger King will build anything you ask them, as long as you PAY them.

You don't understand have this world works. So i'll break it down for your ignorant ass. The Army releases a request for propsoal and says, " I want 500,000 guns with the following specifications." Then companies like Colt, HK, Beretta will respond and say, " Ok, we will sell you 500,000 guns with the specs you want for $40M" That's how it **** works. Of course Colt has to build what the Army asks for, that's whole **** idea. Are you really this damn stupid? I mean, for **** sake.


if they don't like it (which seems NOT to be the case) then they usually change. The M4s problems in the desert are well documented so it's a matter of a suitable replacement or fix.

OK, dude I give up. I guess you don't care that we don't get the best for our troops. And in this case, they got the same shyt and the same problems that they got 30 years ago. The H&K 416 proved that it could fire in sand and in mud. I'm not mad, its the DOD, being the DOD.

Dude, you asked and I answered. I used to build and procure for IT projects and sometimes the best product isn't the most cost effective or doesn't meet all the specs. You have to consider that.

[AZGrizFan]

OK, dude I give up. I guess you don't care that we don't get the best for our troops. And in this case, they got the same shyt and the same problems that they got 30 years ago. The H&K 416 proved that it could fire in sand and in mud. I'm not mad, its the DOD, being the DOD.

Dude, you asked and I answered. I used to build and procure for IT projects and sometimes the best product isn't the most cost effective or doesn't meet all the specs. You have to consider that.

Wrong. Kleanex don't have to consider SHIT.

[93henfan]

Klean will love this!

The Navy has awarded a $17.645 billion sole-source contract to Electric Boat Corp. for construction of ten Virginia-class submarines from fiscal year 2014 to 2018. The fixed-price incentive multiyear contract provides for the delivery of two ships annually, with work expected to be completed by 2024. Electric Boat will continue to subcontract with Huntington Ingalls Industries–Newport News. The award is the Navy’s largest shipbuilding contract ever in terms of total dollar value, according to Rear Admiral Dave Johnson, program executive officer for submarines at Naval Sea Systems Command.

[Ibanez]

Klean will love this!

The Navy has awarded a $17.645 billion sole-source contract to Electric Boat Corp. for construction of ten Virginia-class submarines from fiscal year 2014 to 2018. The fixed-price incentive multiyear contract provides for the delivery of two ships annually, with work expected to be completed by 2024. Electric Boat will continue to subcontract with Huntington Ingalls Industries–Newport News. The award is the Navy’s largest shipbuilding contract ever in terms of total dollar value, according to Rear Admiral Dave Johnson, program executive officer for submarines at Naval Sea Systems Command.

Submarines continue to be great weapons and are worth the investment.


Now tanks...not so much.

[mrklean]

Klean will love this!

The Navy has awarded a $17.645 billion sole-source contract to Electric Boat Corp. for construction of ten Virginia-class submarines from fiscal year 2014 to 2018. The fixed-price incentive multiyear contract provides for the delivery of two ships annually, with work expected to be completed by 2024. Electric Boat will continue to subcontract with Huntington Ingalls Industries–Newport News. The award is the Navy’s largest shipbuilding contract ever in terms of total dollar value, according to Rear Admiral Dave Johnson, program executive officer for submarines at Naval Sea Systems Command.

Are these Subs Boomers or Attack?

[mrklean]

Klean will love this!

Submarines continue to be great weapons and are worth the investment.


Now tanks...not so much.

When was the last time we Nuked a Country? Just a question.

[ASUG8]

Submarines continue to be great weapons and are worth the investment.


Now tanks...not so much.

When was the last time we Nuked a Country? Just a question.

It's called a deterrent.

[Ibanez]

Submarines continue to be great weapons and are worth the investment.


Now tanks...not so much.

When was the last time we Nuked a Country? Just a question.

This question proves just how uninformed you truly are.

[Ibanez]

When was the last time we Nuked a Country? Just a question.

It's called a deterrent.

It's a deterrent. It's an attack sub. It provides ISR.
Klean reads "nuclear sub" and thinks that is what it carries. This is a nuclear powered, fast attack submarine that carries Tomahawks, Harpoon missiles and the Mark 48 torpedo.

[CID1990]

Submarines continue to be great weapons and are worth the investment.


Now tanks...not so much.

When was the last time we Nuked a Country? Just a question.

Dork. Just an answer.

[mrklean]

It's called a deterrent.

It's a deterrent. It's an attack sub. It provides ISR.
Klean reads "nuclear sub" and thinks that is what it carries. This is a nuclear powered, fast attack submarine that carries Tomahawks, Harpoon missiles and the Mark 48 torpedo.

I just asked you if its was a Boomer or a Attack Class Sub.

[YoUDeeMan]

The Germans had some of the best weapons in WWII.

How'd that work out for them?





BTW, if our number one enemy these days is the terrorist cell, or the drug dealer on the corner, or the person who thinks you dissed them, then how is a new-cue-lehr sub a deterrent?

[93henfan]

Fast attack, Klean. Google is your friend.

[BDKJMU]

The Germans had some of the best weapons in WWII.

How'd that work out for them?

And they tried to take on practically the whole world with a leader that was an idiot when it came to strategy.

[Ibanez]

It's a deterrent. It's an attack sub. It provides ISR.
Klean reads "nuclear sub" and thinks that is what it carries. This is a nuclear powered, fast attack submarine that carries Tomahawks, Harpoon missiles and the Mark 48 torpedo.

I just asked you if its was a Boomer or a Attack Class Sub.

You need to do the research for yourself. Stop expecting the education white males to do your thinking for you. If you continue to ask me to answer questions, i'll start charging a fee of $100/question.