DOJ Memo on Marijuana Use

[D1B]

Yeah, I have the stats on state of Washington accidental deaths for the last 9 months. Be right back with that.

So we're both just spitballing here. I guess we'll have to see what happens the next few years in WA and CO.

"Spitballing"??? Is that what BDASSHAIR and ALPHIEJIZ1 do every Saturday night in the alley behind the Jack in the Box?

[89Hen]

Yeah, I have the stats on state of Washington accidental deaths for the last 9 months. Be right back with that.

So we're both just spitballing here. I guess we'll have to see what happens the next few years in WA and CO.

It will take quite a bit more than that for several reasons. CO employers can still fire you for testing positive for pot, so you still won't see more widespread use until that changes. Also, it's been OK to drink since 1933, so there isn't quite the stigma associated with it. Not saying that's morally right or wrong, just that it's different. You can't turn on a sports event without seeing beer ads every 10 minutes. Drinking is socially acceptable, smoking pot isn't for most of the country.

[D1B]

So we're both just spitballing here. I guess we'll have to see what happens the next few years in WA and CO.

It will take quite a bit more than that for several reasons. CO employers can still fire you for testing positive for pot, so you still won't see more widespread use until that changes. Also, it's been OK to drink since 1933, so there isn't quite the stigma associated with it. Not saying that's morally right or wrong, just that it's different. You can't turn on a sports event without seeing beer ads every 10 minutes. Drinking is socially acceptable, smoking pot isn't for most of the country.

We're getting old, Hen. While it may not be publicly acceptable, everyone under the age of 40 is smoking pot. It's rapidly becoming socially acceptable, even while illegal for most.

[89Hen]

We're getting old, Hen. While it may not be publicly acceptable, everyone under the age of 40 is smoking pot. It's rapidly becoming socially acceptable, even while illegal for most.

We are, but do you really think more young people are smoking pot today compared to when we were teens? I don't believe that for a second.

BTW, when I went to CO this summer my 15 yo son was upset that there would be people smoking pot everywhere since it was now legal.

[Chizzang]

We're getting old, Hen. While it may not be publicly acceptable, everyone under the age of 40 is smoking pot. It's rapidly becoming socially acceptable, even while illegal for most.

We are, but do you really think more young people are smoking pot today compared to when we were teens? I don't believe that for a second.

BTW, when I went to CO this summer my 15 yo son was upset that there would be people smoking pot everywhere since it was now legal.

I don't smoke pot (and it's been a long times since)
But I can't come up with one solid argument - and neither can you - that it shouldn't be legalized and taxed

I'm still waiting...

[houndawg]

We are, but do you really think more young people are smoking pot today compared to when we were teens? I don't believe that for a second.

BTW, when I went to CO this summer my 15 yo son was upset that there would be people smoking pot everywhere since it was now legal.

I don't smoke pot (and it's been a long times since)
But I can't come up with one solid argument - and neither can you - that it shouldn't be legalized and taxed

I'm still waiting...

Its bad enough that those nasty hippie types were right about Vietnam and civil rights.

[Chizzang]

Its bad enough that those nasty hippie types were right about Vietnam and civil rights.

That's basically all that is left to debate... is who was right about it first
1) The doctors who have been fighting for their cancer patients for 2 decades
2) The revenue conscious city council people who see new streams of cash flow
3) The police who have been begging for Marijuana to be removed from their responsibilities list
4) The grungy Hippie's who have been scratching their dreadlocks trying to figure out how Marijuana got such a bad rap

[BDKJMU]

Show me a link where it says that one drink/beer is more dangerous than one joint. On a one to one basis you're full of BS...

Straight from the CDC
Cause of death (Data from 2010 unless otherwise noted) Number

All Causes 2,468,435
Major Cardiovascular [Heart] Diseases 780,213
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 574,743
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 138,080
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 120,859
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,332
Diabetes 69,071
Drug-Induced Deaths1 40,393
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 38,364
Septicemia 34,812
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis (*alcoholism) 31,903
Firearm Injuries 31,672
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 25,692
Homicide 16,259
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) 8,369
Viral hepatitis 7,564
Marijuana 7



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Reading is fundamental. Still didn't provide that link. ONE to ONE basis.

[BDKJMU]

Heck, only bout 4 million in US die every year, and you claim tobacco kills millions.

Tobacco use is the leading preventable cause of death.
Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030
Cigarette smoking is responsible for about one in five deaths annually (i.e., more than 440,000 deaths per year, and an estimated 49,000 of these smoking-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure).1,2
On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers

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We're talking about the US here. Not worldwide. Stick to the arguement...

[BDKJMU]

Straight from the CDC
Cause of death (Data from 2010 unless otherwise noted) Number

All Causes 2,468,435
Major Cardiovascular [Heart] Diseases 780,213
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 574,743
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 138,080
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 120,859
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,332
Diabetes 69,071
Drug-Induced Deaths1 40,393
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 38,364
Septicemia 34,812
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis (*alcoholism) 31,903
Firearm Injuries 31,672
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 25,692
Homicide 16,259
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) 8,369
Viral hepatitis 7,564
Marijuana 7



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http://www.drugabuse.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anybody dim enough to still be arguing from your perspective belongs in Utah
Where the earth is 6,000 years old
and underwear is magic

You're the one who needs to take a class on reading comprehension.

[89Hen]

We are, but do you really think more young people are smoking pot today compared to when we were teens? I don't believe that for a second.

BTW, when I went to CO this summer my 15 yo son was upset that there would be people smoking pot everywhere since it was now legal.

I don't smoke pot (and it's been a long times since)
But I can't come up with one solid argument - and neither can you - that it shouldn't be legalized and taxed

I'm still waiting...

It isn't legal, the burden is on you. Are you for legalization because of the potential revenue? How do you feel about prostitution? or harder drugs?

[BDKJMU]

BDPSHT is a true believer, gotta give him that.

next step - attack the CDC as a source.

Keep talking, someday you'll say something intelligent.

[BDKJMU]

Illegal =/= immoral.

Not sure what that has to do with it. Cleets is saying because more deaths are attributable to a much more widely used substance, the less widely used substance should be legal.

That's the point. I asked for a link showing alcohol was more dangerous than pot on a ONE TO ONE basis. He gives a link showing the # of deaths. Of course far more die from alcohol because it is used FAR more.

But no one has shown a link that alcohol id more dangerous than pot on a ONE TO ONE basis (one joint to one drink)...

[89Hen]

If south Carolina can make billions on Tobacco (far more addictive and a huge cancer causing agent) causing the deaths of millions of humans a year / funded by all of us who pay for Healthcare then Washington should be able to proceed with the processing and taxing of Marijuana

Sounds like you think the tobacco industry is pretty underhanded and would do anything to make a buck.

[D1B]

We're getting old, Hen. While it may not be publicly acceptable, everyone under the age of 40 is smoking pot. It's rapidly becoming socially acceptable, even while illegal for most.

We are, but do you really think more young people are smoking pot today compared to when we were teens? I don't believe that for a second.

BTW, when I went to CO this summer my 15 yo son was upset that there would be people smoking pot everywhere since it was now legal.

Yes I do.

*Your son will be smoking pot soon, if he hasn't already.

[D1B]

Not sure what that has to do with it. Cleets is saying because more deaths are attributable to a much more widely used substance, the less widely used substance should be legal.

That's the point. I asked for a link showing alcohol was more dangerous than pot on a ONE TO ONE basis. He gives a link showing the # of deaths. Of course far more die from alcohol because it is used FAR more.

But no one has shown a link that alcohol id more dangerous than pot on a ONE TO ONE basis (one joint to one drink)...

It's a stupid fucking question and apples and oranges, you asshole.

Who smokes a whole joint? Practically no one. Who downs a sixer or more, which is the equivilant IMO of a joint? - everyone on this board, except you, you teetotaling JSO-fucktard. Hands down, alcohol is more dangerous.

One beer may equal one hit. The alcohol and carbs in a drink are more toxic to your body and thus more dangerous. If you're taking medicine, like many do, alcohol is even more dangerous.

[Chizzang]

Straight from the CDC
Cause of death (Data from 2010 unless otherwise noted) Number

All Causes 2,468,435
Major Cardiovascular [Heart] Diseases 780,213
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 574,743
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 138,080
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 120,859
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,332
Diabetes 69,071
Drug-Induced Deaths1 40,393
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 38,364
Septicemia 34,812
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis (*alcoholism) 31,903
Firearm Injuries 31,672
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 25,692
Homicide 16,259
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) 8,369
Viral hepatitis 7,564
Marijuana 7



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http://www.drugabuse.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reading is fundamental. Still didn't provide that link. ONE to ONE basis.

Who said one to one..?
and what are you talking about..? and why are you still play stupid (or are you really just that dim)

[Chizzang]

If south Carolina can make billions on Tobacco (far more addictive and a huge cancer causing agent) causing the deaths of millions of humans a year / funded by all of us who pay for Healthcare then Washington should be able to proceed with the processing and taxing of Marijuana

Sounds like you think the tobacco industry is pretty underhanded and would do anything to make a buck.

No, they have our best interests at heart...
But I know where you're going / its all part of capitalism / I have no problem with Big Tobacco

[89Hen]

Sounds like you think the tobacco industry is pretty underhanded and would do anything to make a buck.

No, they have our best interests at heart...

It was obviously a rhetorical question, but I just wonder why you think pot producers won't turn into the same kind of industry.

[clenz]

So....is this where I admit I've never smoked pot?

[D1B]

No, they have our best interests at heart...

It was obviously a rhetorical question, but I just wonder why you think pot producers won't turn into the same kind of industry.

They will, but we've learned a few things since cigarettes and beer were marketed to pregnant women.

The fact that people can easily grow the shit and produce exceptionally high quality product reduces their dependency on the industry.

[Chizzang]

No, they have our best interests at heart...

It was obviously a rhetorical question, but I just wonder why you think pot producers won't turn into the same kind of industry.

The Devil we know (Capitalism) vs. Drug Smugglers
I'll take capitalism

[Grizalltheway]

So....is this where I admit I've never smoked pot?

No, it's where you admit you injected meth, instead.

[kalm]

Regardless of all the stats and fluff, pot CAN be and IS used responsibly all the time without infringing upon the rights of others or causing a potential threat to public safety. To argue against legalization makes you a Bloombergian Nanny Stater. Congrats!

[houndawg]

No, they have our best interests at heart...

It was obviously a rhetorical question, but I just wonder why you think pot producers won't turn into the same kind of industry.

Because it is simple to grow reefer compared to making wine or beer.

The money will be in adding value, like edibles.