Biblical Protests

[kalm]

JSO frequently makes the point that this about gays gaining recognition/validity...egalitarianism...blah, blah, blah. If they want to call it "marriage", who really cares?

I do.

I won't discriminate same sex unions as having all the rights of marriage, just don't call it marriage.

I know I am old school, but fucks sakes, stop attacking.

So now you're telling people what words they can use? A bit bossy don't ya think?

[SeattleGriz]

Christians care because it means something to us. It means that after 17 years, I love my wife with all of my heart. Our families have become one. When my family cannot help, her's can.

Not saying this won't happen in a gay marriage, just want to protect what I have.

How would allowing 2 men to marry make it so both families won't help?

How would 2 men marrying ruin/take away what you have?

You do realize that the church performs weddings not marriages....right?

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Are you that fucking thick?
Leave marriage to one man, one woman.
Stop being a liberal bitch.

What does dback have to say.

[SeattleGriz]

I do.

I won't discriminate same sex unions as having all the rights of marriage, just don't call it marriage.

I know I am old school, but fucks sakes, stop attacking.

So now you're telling people what words they can use? A bit bossy don't ya think?

Haha, fuck you. Good stuff man!

[clenz]

How would allowing 2 men to marry make it so both families won't help?

How would 2 men marrying ruin/take away what you have?

You do realize that the church performs weddings not marriages....right?

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Are you that fucking thick?
Leave marriage to one man, one woman.
Stop being a liberal bitch.

What does dback have to say.

You're avoiding the question...


Me thinks you have a secret gay fetish


And cue the homophobic slurs and profanity laced outburst from the "Christian"

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[SeattleGriz]

Are you that fucking thick?
Leave marriage to one man, one woman.
Stop being a liberal bitch.

What does dback have to say.

You're avoiding the question...


Me thinks you have a secret gay fetish


And cue the homophobic slurs and profanity laced outburst from the "Christian"

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Nice flail.

I have no problem with gays marrying AND receiving all the benefits of marriage. I DO have problem with gays calling it marriage. My point in all of this is that most likely, gays don't give one fucking squirt over the terminology, but care about the substance. I am 100% onboard with the substance.

By the way pagan, what the fuck have you done to advance humanity? Lay it out bitch.

[UNI88]

How would allowing 2 men to marry make it so both families won't help?

How would 2 men marrying ruin/take away what you have?

You do realize that the church performs weddings not marriages....right?

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Are you that **** thick?
Leave marriage to one man, one woman.
Stop being a liberal bitch.

What does dback have to say.

I think I remember dback arguing that homosexuals should have the same rights and use the same naming conventions as heterosexuals and I agree with him. If you don't want it called marriage than take the term marriage completely out of the equation and have the government sanction life partnerships or something. Marriage is a religious term that the government co-opted.

[SeattleGriz]

Are you that **** thick?
Leave marriage to one man, one woman.
Stop being a liberal bitch.

What does dback have to say.

I think I remember dback arguing that homosexuals should have the same rights and use the same naming conventions as heterosexuals and I agree with him. If you don't want it called marriage than take the term marriage completely out of the equation and have the government sanction life partnerships or something. Marriage is a religious term that the government co-opted.

That is my point. Does dback actually care that his union be labeled a marriage? As stated, I understand if he is not granted the same rights, but if he is, does he care if it is labeled a civil union versus a marriage?

Apparently we will have to wait for him to reply.

[clenz]

You're avoiding the question...


Me thinks you have a secret gay fetish


And cue the homophobic slurs and profanity laced outburst from the "Christian"

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Nice flail.

I have no problem with gays marrying AND receiving all the benefits of marriage. I DO have problem with gays calling it marriage. My point in all of this is that most likely, gays don't give one fucking squirt over the terminology, but care about the substance. I am 100% onboard with the substance.

By the way pagan, what the fuck have you done to advance humanity? Lay it out bitch.

What have I done? Probably nothing in my 25 years compared to what you've done...I assume, since you're such a great man of the lord....but since you asked for my "resume" of helping the world....

In no particular order, other than it's the order I remembered them

1. Spent a month in Mexico working 60 hours a week to rebuild houses, churches, shelters, feeding homeless, going door to door in some of the most downtrodden areas of the State of Tamaulipas offering food, water, offering to help with yard/house work, etc...

2. Spent a month in Vancouver, BC doing the exact same thing as I did in Mexico. Being that you are from the NW, I'll assume you know the areas I spent my month...East Hastings, Cordova, Downtown Eastside, Chinatown, Gastown, Surrey. I was robbed while there...I watched dozens of people on street corners passing needles to inject, etc... while there.

3. Volunteered at the BBBSA in college

4. Volunteered at multiple homeless shelters through middle school and high school at least once a month

5. Volunteered at multiple Good Samaritan Centers (old people homes for those who don't know the term) through middle school and high school at least once a month

6. Volunteered at local schools to tutor and coach sports (on top of actual coaching I did)

7. As a mandatory reporter I called in 4 cases of confirmed child abuse and got the child out of that situation..


Do you want me to keep going?

Are any of those "earth shattering" in terms of me doing something for humanity? No. I didn't cure anything, I didn't save lives, I didn't give people thousands of dollars to get out of debt, etc... I did do/have done more than most "holier than thou" Christians do in their entire lives.



Listen...I grew up going to a Baptist Church every single Sunday (including Sunday School), going to AWANA (http://awana.org/on/demandware.store/Si ... ault-Start" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) every Thursday night. I memorized more Bible verses than I care to remember (in fact I achieved the highest award possible in AWANA when it came to that...The Timothy Award http://awana.org/store/tttimothyawardin ... lt,pd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as we stopped AWANA at that age, unlike some churches, and we started having a teen bible study type class at that point). To this day my father is still a deacon of my church I grew up in. I grew up DEEPLY rooted in religion.


I've learned that religion is complete bullshit. Humans created it and humans ruined it. It started off with a great purpose...to grow faith...but quickly went south. I've sworn off religion, much to the chagrin of my mother. I haven't been to a Church (other than when I'm back home to appease her, holiday, wedding, funeral, etc...) since high school. I know I'm painting all churches with a broad brush, and it's not fair. The church I grew up in was GREAT. We were "baptist" but really non-denominational. We were, and are, open to all. I'm sure they aren't "pro-gay marriage", as that seems to be the stance of all churches - but I've never asked. I wouldn't be shocked if that church was "okay" with it.


Religion is flawed...faith is great.

I may have left the "church scene", but I never left faith. I have faith...in fact if you forced me to align with a religion it would be Christian. I believe there is a higher power, I believe Jesus was a real person, I believe he did wonderful things in his life, I believe he tried to unite the world at the time...do I believe he could accomplish his miracles the Bible states? I'm not sure right now. I pull my beliefs from many faiths - some from Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Sikhism, Jainism etc... It all leads me to believe one thing for sure....

Man is flawed, I'm okay with that. The Bible states that only God can judge, that God loves everyone, that we should treat others as we want to be treated, we should follow Gods lead and love everyone, etc... I live my life by that motto. If I see someone that needs help, I help.

I believe the Dhali Llama said it best many times over...the basic principles of my life come from his words actually

--This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.

--Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.

--All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives

[SeattleGriz]

Nice flail.

I have no problem with gays marrying AND receiving all the benefits of marriage. I DO have problem with gays calling it marriage. My point in all of this is that most likely, gays don't give one fucking squirt over the terminology, but care about the substance. I am 100% onboard with the substance.

By the way pagan, what the fuck have you done to advance humanity? Lay it out bitch.

What have I done? Probably nothing in my 25 years compared to what you've done...I assume, since you're such a great man of the lord....but since you asked for my "resume" of helping the world....

In no particular order, other than it's the order I remembered them

1. Spent a month in Mexico working 60 hours a week to rebuild houses, churches, shelters, feeding homeless, going door to door in some of the most downtrodden areas of the State of Tamaulipas offering food, water, offering to help with yard/house work, etc...

2. Spent a month in Vancouver, BC doing the exact same thing as I did in Mexico. Being that you are from the NW, I'll assume you know the areas I spent my month...East Hastings, Cordova, Downtown Eastside, Chinatown, Gastown, Surrey. I was robbed while there...I watched dozens of people on street corners passing needles to inject, etc... while there.

3. Volunteered at the BBBSA in college

4. Volunteered at multiple homeless shelters through middle school and high school at least once a month

5. Volunteered at multiple Good Samaritan Centers (old people homes for those who don't know the term) through middle school and high school at least once a month

6. Volunteered at local schools to tutor and coach sports (on top of actual coaching I did)

7. As a mandatory reporter I called in 4 cases of confirmed child abuse and got the child out of that situation..


Do you want me to keep going?

Are any of those "earth shattering" in terms of me doing something for humanity? No. I didn't cure anything, I didn't save lives, I didn't give people thousands of dollars to get out of debt, etc... I did do/have done more than most "holier than thou" Christians do in their entire lives.



Listen...I grew up going to a Baptist Church every single Sunday (including Sunday School), going to AWANA (http://awana.org/on/demandware.store/Si ... ault-Start" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) every Thursday night. I memorized more Bible verses than I care to remember (in fact I achieved the highest award possible in AWANA when it came to that...The Timothy Award http://awana.org/store/tttimothyawardin ... lt,pd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as we stopped AWANA at that age, unlike some churches, and we started having a teen bible study type class at that point). To this day my father is still a deacon of my church I grew up in. I grew up DEEPLY rooted in religion.


I've learned that religion is complete bullshit. Humans created it and humans ruined it. It started off with a great purpose...to grow faith...but quickly went south. I've sworn off religion, much to the chagrin of my mother. I haven't been to a Church (other than when I'm back home to appease her, holiday, wedding, funeral, etc...) since high school. I know I'm painting all churches with a broad brush, and it's not fair. The church I grew up in was GREAT. We were "baptist" but really non-denominational. We were, and are, open to all. I'm sure they aren't "pro-gay marriage", as that seems to be the stance of all churches - but I've never asked. I wouldn't be shocked if that church was "okay" with it.


Religion is flawed...faith is great.

I may have left the "church scene", but I never left faith. I have faith...in fact if you forced me to align with a religion it would be Christian. I believe there is a higher power, I believe Jesus was a real person, I believe he did wonderful things in his life, I believe he tried to unite the world at the time...do I believe he could accomplish his miracles the Bible states? I'm not sure right now. I pull my beliefs from many faiths - some from Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Sikhism, Jainism etc... It all leads me to believe one thing for sure....

Man is flawed, I'm okay with that. The Bible states that only God can judge, that God loves everyone, that we should treat others as we want to be treated, we should follow Gods lead and love everyone, etc... I live my life by that motto. If I see someone that needs help, I help.

I believe the Dhali Llama said it best many times over...the basic principles of my life come from his words actually

--This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.

--Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.

--All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives

You're a good man Clenz. Gonna be sad to beat you down.

You have shown you give a shit and have given back to humanity. I owe you thanks for that.

[kalm]

Nice flail.

I have no problem with gays marrying AND receiving all the benefits of marriage. I DO have problem with gays calling it marriage. My point in all of this is that most likely, gays don't give one fucking squirt over the terminology, but care about the substance. I am 100% onboard with the substance.

By the way pagan, what the fuck have you done to advance humanity? Lay it out bitch.

What have I done? Probably nothing in my 25 years compared to what you've done...I assume, since you're such a great man of the lord....but since you asked for my "resume" of helping the world....

In no particular order, other than it's the order I remembered them

1. Spent a month in Mexico working 60 hours a week to rebuild houses, churches, shelters, feeding homeless, going door to door in some of the most downtrodden areas of the State of Tamaulipas offering food, water, offering to help with yard/house work, etc...

2. Spent a month in Vancouver, BC doing the exact same thing as I did in Mexico. Being that you are from the NW, I'll assume you know the areas I spent my month...East Hastings, Cordova, Downtown Eastside, Chinatown, Gastown, Surrey. I was robbed while there...I watched dozens of people on street corners passing needles to inject, etc... while there.

3. Volunteered at the BBBSA in college

4. Volunteered at multiple homeless shelters through middle school and high school at least once a month

5. Volunteered at multiple Good Samaritan Centers (old people homes for those who don't know the term) through middle school and high school at least once a month

6. Volunteered at local schools to tutor and coach sports (on top of actual coaching I did)

7. As a mandatory reporter I called in 4 cases of confirmed child abuse and got the child out of that situation..


Do you want me to keep going?

Are any of those "earth shattering" in terms of me doing something for humanity? No. I didn't cure anything, I didn't save lives, I didn't give people thousands of dollars to get out of debt, etc... I did do/have done more than most "holier than thou" Christians do in their entire lives.



Listen...I grew up going to a Baptist Church every single Sunday (including Sunday School), going to AWANA (http://awana.org/on/demandware.store/Si ... ault-Start" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) every Thursday night. I memorized more Bible verses than I care to remember (in fact I achieved the highest award possible in AWANA when it came to that...The Timothy Award http://awana.org/store/tttimothyawardin ... lt,pd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as we stopped AWANA at that age, unlike some churches, and we started having a teen bible study type class at that point). To this day my father is still a deacon of my church I grew up in. I grew up DEEPLY rooted in religion.


I've learned that religion is complete bullshit. Humans created it and humans ruined it. It started off with a great purpose...to grow faith...but quickly went south. I've sworn off religion, much to the chagrin of my mother. I haven't been to a Church (other than when I'm back home to appease her, holiday, wedding, funeral, etc...) since high school. I know I'm painting all churches with a broad brush, and it's not fair. The church I grew up in was GREAT. We were "baptist" but really non-denominational. We were, and are, open to all. I'm sure they aren't "pro-gay marriage", as that seems to be the stance of all churches - but I've never asked. I wouldn't be shocked if that church was "okay" with it.


Religion is flawed...faith is great.

I may have left the "church scene", but I never left faith. I have faith...in fact if you forced me to align with a religion it would be Christian. I believe there is a higher power, I believe Jesus was a real person, I believe he did wonderful things in his life, I believe he tried to unite the world at the time...do I believe he could accomplish his miracles the Bible states? I'm not sure right now. I pull my beliefs from many faiths - some from Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Sikhism, Jainism etc... It all leads me to believe one thing for sure....

Man is flawed, I'm okay with that. The Bible states that only God can judge, that God loves everyone, that we should treat others as we want to be treated, we should follow Gods lead and love everyone, etc... I live my life by that motto. If I see someone that needs help, I help.

I believe the Dhali Llama said it best many times over...the basic principles of my life come from his words actually

--This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.

--Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.

--All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives

Good post.

[AZGrizFan]

What have I done? Probably nothing in my 25 years compared to what you've done...I assume, since you're such a great man of the lord....but since you asked for my "resume" of helping the world....

In no particular order, other than it's the order I remembered them

1. Spent a month in Mexico working 60 hours a week to rebuild houses, churches, shelters, feeding homeless, going door to door in some of the most downtrodden areas of the State of Tamaulipas offering food, water, offering to help with yard/house work, etc...

2. Spent a month in Vancouver, BC doing the exact same thing as I did in Mexico. Being that you are from the NW, I'll assume you know the areas I spent my month...East Hastings, Cordova, Downtown Eastside, Chinatown, Gastown, Surrey. I was robbed while there...I watched dozens of people on street corners passing needles to inject, etc... while there.

3. Volunteered at the BBBSA in college

4. Volunteered at multiple homeless shelters through middle school and high school at least once a month

5. Volunteered at multiple Good Samaritan Centers (old people homes for those who don't know the term) through middle school and high school at least once a month

6. Volunteered at local schools to tutor and coach sports (on top of actual coaching I did)

7. As a mandatory reporter I called in 4 cases of confirmed child abuse and got the child out of that situation..


Do you want me to keep going?

Are any of those "earth shattering" in terms of me doing something for humanity? No. I didn't cure anything, I didn't save lives, I didn't give people thousands of dollars to get out of debt, etc... I did do/have done more than most "holier than thou" Christians do in their entire lives.



Listen...I grew up going to a Baptist Church every single Sunday (including Sunday School), going to AWANA (http://awana.org/on/demandware.store/Si ... ault-Start" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) every Thursday night. I memorized more Bible verses than I care to remember (in fact I achieved the highest award possible in AWANA when it came to that...The Timothy Award http://awana.org/store/tttimothyawardin ... lt,pd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as we stopped AWANA at that age, unlike some churches, and we started having a teen bible study type class at that point). To this day my father is still a deacon of my church I grew up in. I grew up DEEPLY rooted in religion.


I've learned that religion is complete bullshit. Humans created it and humans ruined it. It started off with a great purpose...to grow faith...but quickly went south. I've sworn off religion, much to the chagrin of my mother. I haven't been to a Church (other than when I'm back home to appease her, holiday, wedding, funeral, etc...) since high school. I know I'm painting all churches with a broad brush, and it's not fair. The church I grew up in was GREAT. We were "baptist" but really non-denominational. We were, and are, open to all. I'm sure they aren't "pro-gay marriage", as that seems to be the stance of all churches - but I've never asked. I wouldn't be shocked if that church was "okay" with it.


Religion is flawed...faith is great.

I may have left the "church scene", but I never left faith. I have faith...in fact if you forced me to align with a religion it would be Christian. I believe there is a higher power, I believe Jesus was a real person, I believe he did wonderful things in his life, I believe he tried to unite the world at the time...do I believe he could accomplish his miracles the Bible states? I'm not sure right now. I pull my beliefs from many faiths - some from Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Sikhism, Jainism etc... It all leads me to believe one thing for sure....

Man is flawed, I'm okay with that. The Bible states that only God can judge, that God loves everyone, that we should treat others as we want to be treated, we should follow Gods lead and love everyone, etc... I live my life by that motto. If I see someone that needs help, I help.

I believe the Dhali Llama said it best many times over...the basic principles of my life come from his words actually

--This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.

--Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.

--All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives

Good post.

I'm calling bullshit. There is no fucking WAY Clenzy wrote that.

[clenz]

Just because we don't believe that every word of the story book that is the Bible is 100% true doesn't mean we don't care about humanity.

D1B, for all of his bravado, does a shit ton of great work for women in his part of the country....both he and his brother are two of the nicest people I've ever met...and I don't think I'll meet anyone as nice as them again in my life. I hated D1 with a passion...then I met him. Holy shit, I hope I'm half the adult he is when I finally get there.


The problem is that too many Christians are so scared of anything they don't fully understand, isn't explicitly drawn out in the bible. They hide behind the bible...when really the bible teaches to be accepting of all and let god do the judging when that time comes.


If a church doesn't want to perform a "wedding" for homosexual couples, then fine.

Marriages, however, are a separate deal...which is why people of all faiths (or lack there of) are married. Marriage isn't a Christian idea....neither are weddings, to be fair, but each church has more control over that within their building.

[clenz]

Good post.

I'm calling bullshit. There is no fucking WAY Clenzy wrote that.

Think what you want...the only thing i didn't write are the last three statements behind the --. Check the grammar, spacing, flow, etc.. of it. It matches every post I made.

[JohnStOnge]

--Our prime purpose in this life is to help others.

Why do you say that? What's the basis for that statement?

[93henfan]

--Our prime purpose in this life is to help others.

Why do you say that? What's the basis for that statement?

He said it's from the Dhali Lama.

[JohnStOnge]

I find your use of the word deviant interesting. You could logically argue that homosexuality is a deviation from the norm (if it was the norm than humankind would likely be extinct). I don't think that you could argue that it is unnatural since homosexuality occurs in other species in nature as well. I would argue that deviation is a natural and necessary part of evolution. Without deviations would humankind have evolved and prospered?

The flip-side of a discussion involving evolution and deviation are your arguments that it is healthy and natural to look at young girls who have reached menstruation. That might have been true hundreds and thousands of years ago when the average life span was in the 30's and people matured much more quickly and you had to get as much out of a woman's fertile time as you could in order for the species to survive and prosper. I would argue that that is no longer the case now that girls mature later and our lifespans and fertility last longer. Humankind has evolved and looking at young girls (or boys) in such a manner is deviant.

I would not argue that deviation is unnatural. I would nor argue that any disorder that occurs is unnatural. Cystic fibrosis is natural. Deafness is natural. Cancer is natural. All occur through natural processes.

But you're wrong on the thing about humankind having "evolved" so that there is no sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex who are sexually mature but happen to be below the "legal" age established by the particular civlization.

I would love to do an experiment in that regard. I would love to get groups of, say, 30 year old heterosexual males and show them provocative images of females in suggestive circumstances and poses without telling them how old the females are while taking physiological measurements of things related to arousal. I guarantee you I'd get some indications of arousal from images of females that are below legal age.

"Legal age" is a completely artificial construct. I don't object to it. I understand the reasons for it. But biology doesn't care about it.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm calling bullshit. There is no fucking WAY Clenzy wrote that.

Think what you want...the only thing i didn't write are the last three statements behind the --. Check the grammar, spacing, flow, etc.. of it. It matches every post I made.

I'm still going to stomp the last three statements out of your ass.

[JohnStOnge]

He said it's from the Dhali Lama.

So the basis is "somebody said it?"

[AZGrizFan]

I'm calling bullshit. There is no fucking WAY Clenzy wrote that.

Think what you want...the only thing i didn't write are the last three statements behind the --. Check the grammar, spacing, flow, etc.. of it. It matches every post I made.

You should read more of your posts, then. Schitzophrenia doesn't even begin to describe it.

[clenz]

Think what you want...the only thing i didn't write are the last three statements behind the --. Check the grammar, spacing, flow, etc.. of it. It matches every post I made.

You should read more of your posts, then. Schitzophrenia doesn't even begin to describe it.

Low tolerance for stupidity...my belief system doesn't allow for it.

I help stupidity by pointing it out...thus sticking to my system

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[houndawg]

I find your use of the word deviant interesting. You could logically argue that homosexuality is a deviation from the norm (if it was the norm than humankind would likely be extinct). I don't think that you could argue that it is unnatural since homosexuality occurs in other species in nature as well. I would argue that deviation is a natural and necessary part of evolution. Without deviations would humankind have evolved and prospered?

The flip-side of a discussion involving evolution and deviation are your arguments that it is healthy and natural to look at young girls who have reached menstruation. That might have been true hundreds and thousands of years ago when the average life span was in the 30's and people matured much more quickly and you had to get as much out of a woman's fertile time as you could in order for the species to survive and prosper. I would argue that that is no longer the case now that girls mature later and our lifespans and fertility last longer. Humankind has evolved and looking at young girls (or boys) in such a manner is deviant.

I would not argue that deviation is unnatural. I would nor argue that any disorder that occurs is unnatural. Cystic fibrosis is natural. Deafness is natural. Cancer is natural. All occur through natural processes.

But you're wrong on the thing about humankind having "evolved" so that there is no sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex who are sexually mature but happen to be below the "legal" age established by the particular civlization.

I would love to do an experiment in that regard. I would love to get groups of, say, 30 year old heterosexual males and show them provocative images of females in suggestive circumstances and poses without telling them how old the females are while taking physiological measurements of things related to arousal. I guarantee you I'd get some indications of arousal from images of females that are below legal age.

"Legal age" is a completely artificial construct. I don't object to it. I understand the reasons for it. But biology doesn't care about it.

Sorry John. Got an image of JSO in a lab coat holding somebody's junk while flashing nekkid pics at them as a lab assistant takes notes....

[UNI88]

Think what you want...the only thing i didn't write are the last three statements behind the --. Check the grammar, spacing, flow, etc.. of it. It matches every post I made.

You should read more of your posts, then. Schitzophrenia doesn't even begin to describe it.

I think it's sleep deprivation from the baby. He's so out of his mind his posts are long-winded and rational.

[Ibanez]

Nice flail.

I have no problem with gays marrying AND receiving all the benefits of marriage. I DO have problem with gays calling it marriage. My point in all of this is that most likely, gays don't give one fucking squirt over the terminology, but care about the substance. I am 100% onboard with the substance.

By the way pagan, what the fuck have you done to advance humanity? Lay it out bitch.

What have I done? Probably nothing in my 25 years compared to what you've done...I assume, since you're such a great man of the lord....but since you asked for my "resume" of helping the world....

In no particular order, other than it's the order I remembered them

1. Spent a month in Mexico working 60 hours a week to rebuild houses, churches, shelters, feeding homeless, going door to door in some of the most downtrodden areas of the State of Tamaulipas offering food, water, offering to help with yard/house work, etc...

2. Spent a month in Vancouver, BC doing the exact same thing as I did in Mexico. Being that you are from the NW, I'll assume you know the areas I spent my month...East Hastings, Cordova, Downtown Eastside, Chinatown, Gastown, Surrey. I was robbed while there...I watched dozens of people on street corners passing needles to inject, etc... while there.

3. Volunteered at the BBBSA in college

4. Volunteered at multiple homeless shelters through middle school and high school at least once a month

5. Volunteered at multiple Good Samaritan Centers (old people homes for those who don't know the term) through middle school and high school at least once a month

6. Volunteered at local schools to tutor and coach sports (on top of actual coaching I did)

7. As a mandatory reporter I called in 4 cases of confirmed child abuse and got the child out of that situation..


Do you want me to keep going?

Are any of those "earth shattering" in terms of me doing something for humanity? No. I didn't cure anything, I didn't save lives, I didn't give people thousands of dollars to get out of debt, etc... I did do/have done more than most "holier than thou" Christians do in their entire lives.



Listen...I grew up going to a Baptist Church every single Sunday (including Sunday School), going to AWANA (http://awana.org/on/demandware.store/Si ... ault-Start" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) every Thursday night. I memorized more Bible verses than I care to remember (in fact I achieved the highest award possible in AWANA when it came to that...The Timothy Award http://awana.org/store/tttimothyawardin ... lt,pd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as we stopped AWANA at that age, unlike some churches, and we started having a teen bible study type class at that point). To this day my father is still a deacon of my church I grew up in. I grew up DEEPLY rooted in religion.


I've learned that religion is complete bullshit. Humans created it and humans ruined it. It started off with a great purpose...to grow faith...but quickly went south. I've sworn off religion, much to the chagrin of my mother. I haven't been to a Church (other than when I'm back home to appease her, holiday, wedding, funeral, etc...) since high school. I know I'm painting all churches with a broad brush, and it's not fair. The church I grew up in was GREAT. We were "baptist" but really non-denominational. We were, and are, open to all. I'm sure they aren't "pro-gay marriage", as that seems to be the stance of all churches - but I've never asked. I wouldn't be shocked if that church was "okay" with it.


Religion is flawed...faith is great.

I may have left the "church scene", but I never left faith. I have faith...in fact if you forced me to align with a religion it would be Christian. I believe there is a higher power, I believe Jesus was a real person, I believe he did wonderful things in his life, I believe he tried to unite the world at the time...do I believe he could accomplish his miracles the Bible states? I'm not sure right now. I pull my beliefs from many faiths - some from Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Sikhism, Jainism etc... It all leads me to believe one thing for sure....

Man is flawed, I'm okay with that. The Bible states that only God can judge, that God loves everyone, that we should treat others as we want to be treated, we should follow Gods lead and love everyone, etc... I live my life by that motto. If I see someone that needs help, I help.

I believe the Dhali Llama said it best many times over...the basic principles of my life come from his words actually

--This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.

--Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.

--All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives

Very good post. Essentially, the best way to live, IMO, is to treat humanity with the kidness and respect you would like to be given. Using reasoning to guide your life. Realize that nature has given us everything we need and can show us everything we need to know. It isn't easy to live like that but it is possible. We are animals and our natural state is to be happy and peaceful. We understand what acts disrupt that and it's best to avoid anything that causes discontent. We have laws that force the majority to behave in such a manner but we should still strive to preserve calmness and order in our personal home and work environments. If there is a God, I truly believe that is what he would want. He'd rather have people be unsure of him/her/it and do great works of kindness and be the best person they can be than be a person that uses his "word" to destroy and harm others i.e. Westboro Baptist Church.

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[Ibanez]

You mean 1st Century Jews DON'T have a firm understanding of human sexuality? Wasn't Dr. Ruth roaming the desert with Moses?

Spoiler: show

I know i'm mixing OT and NT.