Chris Christie... Tough guy, straight shooter

[Baldy]

I have no problem with that...
but you don't then raise taxes on the bottom - do you..?

I guess you have to make revenue up somehow, but your link is the first time I ever heard about that.

And that's all you'll hear about it.
Chizz has a habit of taking an unsubstantiated statement ("but it was in the newspaper") and repeating it as if it were fact.

[kalm]

I guess you have to make revenue up somehow, but your link is the first time I ever heard about that.

And that's all you'll hear about it.
Chizz has a habit of taking an unsubstantiated statement ("but it was in the newspaper") and repeating it as if it were fact.

But, but, but...I thought the takers needed to pay more of their fair share?

[Ivytalk]

Lots of Jersey expats moving to Delaware. You can tell them by their rudeness, lousy driving, questionable hygiene and garlic breath.

Go F yourself.

Q.E.D.

Go buy some Nova duds, Snooki.

[Chizzang]

I guess you have to make revenue up somehow, but your link is the first time I ever heard about that.

And that's all you'll hear about it.
Chizz has a habit of taking an unsubstantiated statement ("but it was in the newspaper") and repeating it as if it were fact.

a New Jersey Tax accountant and The wall Street Journal
But anyway my point is this: Christie says all the right things - he's like Republican Crack
Similar to Obama 2008 for Democrats
But if he gets caught pulling shit like this it's tough to be taken seriously by the 5% in the middle

I'll be paying attention - I'm hoping he's not too good to be true

[Baldy]

And that's all you'll hear about it.
Chizz has a habit of taking an unsubstantiated statement ("but it was in the newspaper") and repeating it as if it were fact.

a New Jersey Tax accountant and The wall Street Journal
But anyway my point is this: Christie says all the right things - he's like Republican Crack
Similar to Obama 2008 for Democrats
But if he gets caught pulling shit like this it's tough to be taken seriously by the 5% in the middle

I'll be paying attention - I'm hoping he's not too good to be true

Sorry, you posted links to two hit pieces. One was an editorial by an anti-Christie left wing newspaper, and the other was a Forbes contributor who "writes from the left on politics and policy", that's it.

I work with "tax accountants" every day of the week. The only thing they know about tax law and policy is what their computer screen tells them, period. OR when they have to call me because their computer can't answer their questions.

[CAA Flagship]

Lots of Jersey expats moving to Delaware. You can tell them by their rudeness, lousy driving, questionable hygiene and garlic breath.

I've got one word for you. Fvck You.

[death dealer]

I have no problem with that...
but you don't then raise taxes on the bottom - do you..?

Why not? Fuck 'em. Shoulda planned better and gotten a better job. Not my fault they failed at life.

As far as cutting taxes on the big dogs, if he can keep a higher percentage of high earners in the state, he will increase tax income with time.

[houndawg]

So you see...
He RAISED taxes on the poorest segment of society
and LOWERED taxes on the wealthiest segment of society

and you're okay with that to the point you're defending the maneuver wow... okay
In my world it's a DICK MOVE no matter how you spin it - and I actually LIKE Christie
but that is just shameful and he sells it as "lowering Taxes"

I fail to see how he gets away with taking someone who, at most, was paying less than 200 bucks a year, and then suddenly has them paying almost 500 (you said he raised them by 300 bucks for a minimum wage earner).

If this is truly the case, then yeah, it's despicable. BUT the numbers alone make me very skeptical. Makes my BS meter go up. Lookit, I'm conservative as hell but that doesn't mean the GOP gets a free pass from me. If I wanted to just rubber stamp them with hyperbole like Houndawg likes to do with the left then I wouldn't have pulled up the tax tables and my abacus.

If this isn't an exaggeration and Christie really raised their base tax rate by more than 150 percent (which is what is being alleged) then if they dont vote his a$$ out... well then I think they deserve getting it up the greasy starfish if they are that damn disconnected. Hell they don't even need voter ID in NJ. All they need to do is go down to the local Dem party office, get registered as 20 different dead people and then vote their a$$es off.

I'm not buying it, and sh1t you should dig a little further too Cleets. Surprised at you, boy.

You seem a mite peevish these days CID, still cranky about the lack of 11 year old Vietnamese poon at the new job?

You'd think a guy that's been everywhere and done everything would be a bit more tolerant.

[CID1990]

I fail to see how he gets away with taking someone who, at most, was paying less than 200 bucks a year, and then suddenly has them paying almost 500 (you said he raised them by 300 bucks for a minimum wage earner).

If this is truly the case, then yeah, it's despicable. BUT the numbers alone make me very skeptical. Makes my BS meter go up. Lookit, I'm conservative as hell but that doesn't mean the GOP gets a free pass from me. If I wanted to just rubber stamp them with hyperbole like Houndawg likes to do with the left then I wouldn't have pulled up the tax tables and my abacus.

If this isn't an exaggeration and Christie really raised their base tax rate by more than 150 percent (which is what is being alleged) then if they dont vote his a$$ out... well then I think they deserve getting it up the greasy starfish if they are that damn disconnected. Hell they don't even need voter ID in NJ. All they need to do is go down to the local Dem party office, get registered as 20 different dead people and then vote their a$$es off.

I'm not buying it, and sh1t you should dig a little further too Cleets. Surprised at you, boy.

You seem a mite peevish these days CID, still cranky about the lack of 11 year old Vietnamese poon at the new job?

You'd think a guy that's been everywhere and done everything would be a bit more tolerant.

No Houndawg, I am just skeptical of numbers like that, when if true should elicit a stronger response from the "victims". And you'll notice that I don't support Christie if the numbers are factual.

You should try it sometime.... objectivity.

BTW why are you following me around? You cruising a piece of a$$ or something? Or are your feelings still hurt? I told you in the PM that I'm not queer, ok?

[UNI88]

You seem a mite peevish these days CID, still cranky about the lack of 11 year old Vietnamese poon at the new job?

You'd think a guy that's been everywhere and done everything would be a bit more tolerant.

No Houndawg, I am just skeptical of numbers like that, when if true should elicit a stronger response from the "victims". And you'll notice that I don't support Christie if the numbers are factual.

You should try it sometime.... objectivity.

BTW why are you following me around? You cruising a piece of a$$ or something? Or are your feelings still hurt? I told you in the PM that I'm not queer, ok?

Houndawg: You a faggot, CID?
CID1990: why, Houndawg? You cruising for a piece of ass?
Houndawg: I'll tell you what happened, CID. You went down to the garage for a blow job... and just didn't want to pay for it.
CID1990: Huh. You are sick.

[CID1990]

No Houndawg, I am just skeptical of numbers like that, when if true should elicit a stronger response from the "victims". And you'll notice that I don't support Christie if the numbers are factual.

You should try it sometime.... objectivity.

BTW why are you following me around? You cruising a piece of a$$ or something? Or are your feelings still hurt? I told you in the PM that I'm not queer, ok?

Houndawg: You a faggot, CID?
CID1990: why, Houndawg? You cruising for a piece of ass?
Houndawg: I'll tell you what happened, CID. You went down to the garage for a blow job... and just didn't want to pay for it.
CID1990: Huh. You are sick.

There can be only one.

[UD77]

Bar Room Economics



Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:



The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.



So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.



The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'



They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.



And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).



Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison.



"We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.



The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.



David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

[Chizzang]

can I begin to poke holes in this ancient chestnut posted above - or - are we going to just all nod and go "Oh that's so brilliant"

[houndawg]

You seem a mite peevish these days CID, still cranky about the lack of 11 year old Vietnamese poon at the new job?

You'd think a guy that's been everywhere and done everything would be a bit more tolerant.

No Houndawg, I am just skeptical of numbers like that, when if true should elicit a stronger response from the "victims". And you'll notice that I don't support Christie if the numbers are factual.

You should try it sometime.... objectivity.

BTW why are you following me around? You cruising a piece of a$$ or something? Or are your feelings still hurt? I told you in the PM that I'm not queer, ok?

Then why did you mention that you spend afternoons in the bus station men's room?


Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned.

[Wedgebuster]

A guy with cankles can't really be a tough guy, but I suppose he could be a straight shooter in theory.

[houndawg]

A guy with cankles can't really be a tough guy, but I suppose he could be a straight shooter in theory.

I dunno, wedge, I'll bet cheeseburgers don't give him any sh*t....

[CID1990]

No Houndawg, I am just skeptical of numbers like that, when if true should elicit a stronger response from the "victims". And you'll notice that I don't support Christie if the numbers are factual.

You should try it sometime.... objectivity.

BTW why are you following me around? You cruising a piece of a$$ or something? Or are your feelings still hurt? I told you in the PM that I'm not queer, ok?

Then why did you mention that you spend afternoons in the bus station men's room?


Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned.

Because I have IBS and I have to SH!t every 45 minutes. I was just asking why YOU were there.

[UD77]

can I begin to poke holes in this ancient chestnut posted above - or - are we going to just all nod and go "Oh that's so brilliant"

OK you don't like that one - I thought having the beer reference would make it understandable.

How about this one for you 1% haters and the people that buy into the idea that the rich don't pay their fair share (and I am not a 1% if you think that is why I posted this). Data from you friendly governement supported IRS (I believe this is 2009 data )

Cumulative Percentiles Ranked by AGI AGI Threshold on Percentiles Cumulative Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1% $343,927 36.73
Top 5% $154,643 58.66
Top 10% $112,124 70.47
Top 25% $66,193 87.30
Top 50% $32,396 97.75
Bottom 50% <$32,396 2.25
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

You can believe all the BS that is in the media about the rich not paying their fare share or you can see the actual data above - Top 1% pay 36.73% of all the federal income tax that is paid. The bottom 50% pay 2.25% of all the federal income tax.

[danefan]

can I begin to poke holes in this ancient chestnut posted above - or - are we going to just all nod and go "Oh that's so brilliant"

OK you don't like that one - I thought having the beer reference would make it understandable.

How about this one for you 1% haters and the people that buy into the idea that the rich don't pay their fair share (and I am not a 1% if you think that is why I posted this). Data from you friendly governement supported IRS (I believe this is 2009 data )

Cumulative Percentiles Ranked by AGI AGI Threshold on Percentiles Cumulative Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1% $343,927 36.73
Top 5% $154,643 58.66
Top 10% $112,124 70.47
Top 25% $66,193 87.30
Top 50% $32,396 97.75
Bottom 50% <$32,396 2.25
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

You can believe all the BS that is in the media about the rich not paying their fare share or you can see the actual data above - Top 1% pay 36.73% of all the federal income tax that is paid. The bottom 50% pay 2.25% of all the federal income tax.

Paying a lot of taxes and paying their fair share isn't the same thing.

Flat tax is fair. 1%ers with a 15% ETR versus the middle 50% with a 30% ETR is not fair.

[kalm]

OK you don't like that one - I thought having the beer reference would make it understandable.

How about this one for you 1% haters and the people that buy into the idea that the rich don't pay their fair share (and I am not a 1% if you think that is why I posted this). Data from you friendly governement supported IRS (I believe this is 2009 data )

Cumulative Percentiles Ranked by AGI AGI Threshold on Percentiles Cumulative Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1% $343,927 36.73
Top 5% $154,643 58.66
Top 10% $112,124 70.47
Top 25% $66,193 87.30
Top 50% $32,396 97.75
Bottom 50% <$32,396 2.25
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

You can believe all the BS that is in the media about the rich not paying their fare share or you can see the actual data above - Top 1% pay 36.73% of all the federal income tax that is paid. The bottom 50% pay 2.25% of all the federal income tax.

Paying a lot of taxes and paying their fair share isn't the same thing.

Flat tax is fair. 1%ers with a 15% ETR versus the middle 50% with a 30% ETR is not fair.

This.

I hate how unfair this place was in the 1950's before rich people existed.

The economy has been very good for the 1%. But their tax burden has gone up because it has been very bad on the "takers"

[89Hen]

Tax the rich, feed the poor, til there are no rich no more. - Ten Day After

Only problem, what happens ten days after there are no rich no more to feed the poor?

[kalm]

Tax the rich, feed the poor, til there are no rich no more. - Ten Day After

Only problem, what happens ten days after there are no rich no more to feed the poor?

Totally true. The rich are very threatened. I'm concerned for their well being.

[89Hen]

Totally true. The rich are very threatened. I'm concerned for their well being.

indeed. You don't have to be concerned for their well being to recognize socialism.

[kalm]

Totally true. The rich are very threatened. I'm concerned for their well being.

indeed. You don't have to be concerned for their well being to recognize socialism.

AKA American mixed market regulated capitalism. It happened to build the greatest country on earth...hater.

[89Hen]

indeed. You don't have to be concerned for their well being to recognize socialism.

AKA American mixed market regulated capitalism. It happened to build the greatest country on earth...hater.

You're the one who hates the rich.