Agreed....provided you are eligible.Cap'n Cat wrote:clenz wrote: If I need to show ID to buy beer why shouldn't I have to show ID to vote for the leaders of American....one is clearly going to impact the nation much more so than the other.
Buying beer is a privilege granted by the state. Voting is an unalienable right.
and virtual ALL voters who vote ARE eligible.GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:Agreed....provided you are eligible.Cap'n Cat wrote:
Buying beer is a privilege granted by the state. Voting is an unalienable right.
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:Agreed....provided you are eligible.Cap'n Cat wrote:
Buying beer is a privilege granted by the state. Voting is an unalienable right.
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:and virtual ALL voters who vote ARE eligible.GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Agreed....provided you are eligible.
Here again - conks CANNOT ever point to widespread voter fraud or widespread voting by illegal aliens (as if any illegal would jeopardize everything to cast ONE vote...)
It just doesn't happen in the modern age.
More than that - I've notice not ONE board conk has addressed the "voter photo" counter proposal (similar to the one proposed in MN) which would allow ALL citizens to vote - and create a photographic record of ALL voters.
What if I head to my polling place, pretend to be my neighbor, don't get questioned on it and vote for him...then around a couple hours later when someone different is checking people in and vote for myself?Cap'n Cat wrote:GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
Agreed....provided you are eligible.
Double agreed. If you're on the rolls, you're eligible. If you're not, turn around and get out.
clenz wrote:What if I head to my polling place, pretend to be my neighbor, don't get questioned on it and vote for him...then around a couple hours later when someone different is checking people in and vote for myself?Cap'n Cat wrote:
Double agreed. If you're on the rolls, you're eligible. If you're not, turn around and get out.
What is to stop that? I don't see why, if you are legal and eligible, showing your ID to prove so is an issue.
Can you prove it doesn't happen? While not at a "real" political level I can tell you with 100% certainty that things like this happen on college campus elections across the nation. That is why even at the college level you are required to show your college ID to prove you are a college student and who you are.Cap'n Cat wrote:clenz wrote: What if I head to my polling place, pretend to be my neighbor, don't get questioned on it and vote for him...then around a couple hours later when someone different is checking people in and vote for myself?
What is to stop that? I don't see why, if you are legal and eligible, showing your ID to prove so is an issue.
What you describe is a nonsensical ridiculous extreme that simply does not happen......
Sorry, clenzy. Can't say anything more.clenz wrote:Can you prove it doesn't happen? While not at a "real" political level I can tell you with 100% certainty that things like this happen on college campus elections across the nation. That is why even at the college level you are required to show your college ID to prove you are a college student and who you are.Cap'n Cat wrote:
What you describe is a nonsensical ridiculous extreme that simply does not happen......
Why is it so bad I want someone to show an ID to prove who they are? If states are willing to give photo ID's to those at polling places who need them, assuming they show other forms of ID, there is no reason they shouldn't have to show ID.
Here again you are missing the essential point.clenz wrote:Can you prove it doesn't happen? While not at a "real" political level I can tell you with 100% certainty that things like this happen on college campus elections across the nation. That is why even at the college level you are required to show your college ID to prove you are a college student and who you are.Cap'n Cat wrote:
What you describe is a nonsensical ridiculous extreme that simply does not happen......
Why is it so bad I want someone to show an ID to prove who they are? If states are willing to give photo ID's to those at polling places who need them, assuming they show other forms of ID, there is no reason they shouldn't have to show ID.
clenz wrote:Um...If you live in a dorm/apartment while in school you can still vote absentee to your home district as you aren't registered in that location.
I did change my registration when I went to UNI so I could vote in Cedar Falls.
If people are too fucking lazy to change their shit/get what they need to get ID that's their issue.
113 convictions represent small fraction of total unlawful votes
St. Paul – Minnesota Majority today released a report on voter fraud convictions (pdf) to date stemming from Minnesota’s 2008 general election. The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, “ineligible voter knowingly votes” under Minnesota Statute 201.014.
“As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years,” said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, “Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions.”
“It’s mind-boggling to me that as a tiny non-profit corporation, we netted more than double the number of convictions in one year than the US Department of Justice was able to find in five,” said Davis.
“These convictions are just the tip of the iceberg,” said Davis. “The actual number of illegal votes cast was in the thousands. Most unlawful voters were never charged with a crime because they simply pled ignorance. We have evidence of these people casting illegal ballots, but in Minnesota, ignorance of election law is considered to be an acceptable defense.”
At the time of this report, nearly 200 additional cases are still pending trial. But time is running out for any additional cases to be prosecuted. The statute of limitations on election crimes is three years, and will expire for the 2008 election this November. Anyone who county attorneys have not charged by then will go free.
“The problem rests largely on our current Election Day registration system,” said Davis. “Most of the fraudulent votes cast in 2008 could have been prevented by using the normal registration and verification processes. But since the Election Day registration process does not include eligibility verifications, it simply leaves the door open to these kinds of abuses.”
Minnesota law requires voters to register at least 20 days before an election so that the information they provide and their eligibility to vote can be verified by election workers before they vote on Election Day. However, Election Day registration creates an exception. People who register at the polling place are given a ballot without first being subject to the same scrutiny.
“This is an example of why creating two classes of voters is unacceptable,” said Davis. “You shouldn’t be subject to less scrutiny than everyone else, just because you waited until the last minute to register. Less responsible voters are allowed to cut in line and cast a ballot without being validated and this is what happens.”
Investigations of voter fraud are also now underway from Minnesota’s 2010 election.
NAACP Official Busted for Voter Fraud
In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee.
Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times, the only media outlet to cover the sentencing.
Apparently having soured on the concept of fair elections, Sowers voted under a variety of names.
Sowers characterized a past run-in with the law as “an attempt by powerful whites to silence” her. This time, the powerful whites are silencing themselves by refusing to report the story.
This isn’t the NAACP’s first foray into voter fraud:
The NAACP National Voter Fund registered a dead man to vote in Lake County, Ohio, in 2004. That same year, out of 325 voter registration cards filed by the NAACP in Cleveland, 48 were flagged as fraudulent.
But the NAACP’s voter fraud record doesn’t approach that of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. At least 54 individuals employed by or associated with ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud.
Some ACORN activists were trained by the grand master of fraud himself, Barack Hussein Obama.
Proof the Dead Vote
The Daily Caller ^ | 1:14 AM 07/29/2011 | Matthew Vadum
In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee....
Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.
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Dirty tricks in Wisconsin? Ballots being thrown away in heavily pro-Prosser county
Washington Examiner ^ | 6/6/11 | Mark Tapscott
Right on schedule, allegations that somebody committed voter fraud or other election illegalities in yesterday's Wisconsin Supreme Court balloting are being heard this afternoon in a county that voted heavily for incumbent conservative Justice David Prosser. Pundit Press, which closely followed the election balloting yesterday, offers this analysis: "As if the situation in Wisconsin wasn't tense enough, it appears that one county in particular is going to a new extreme. This comes after word that there may have been voter fraud in the nonpartisan State Supreme Court election yesterday between incumbent
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ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada
Fox News ^ | 4/6/2011 | fox news
The defunct political advocacy group ACORN has pleaded guilty to one count of an election law violation in Las Vegas, Nevada.
ACORN attorney Lisa Rasmussen told Fox News that a plea agreement was worked out with the state attorney general. The violation was for unlawfully providing compensation for registering voters based on the total number of people registered. Sentencing for the organization is set for Aug. 10, and the potential fine is a maximum of $5,000.
ACORN itself was named as a criminal defendant in the case for allegedly running an illegal voter registration scheme called "21," or "Blackjack," which paid ACORN workersarned bonuses based on the number of voters they registered in Nevada during the 2008 election.
This is the only case in the country in which ACORN itself was named as a felony defendant. The organization, a one-time community-based activist group, filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy after dozens of its workers allegedly committed voter fraud in cases that led to numerous convictions.
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Evidence of Wisconsin Voter Fraud Emerges
Pundit Press ^ | 4/6/11 | Thomas Ferdousi
There are reports coming in that there may have been voting fraud in the contentious Wisconsin Supreme Court race. In this race JoAnne Kloppenburg is challenging incumbent David Prosser. Prosser has been endorsed by many in both parties while Kloppenburg has heavy support from labor.
According to some sources, fraud may have played a role.
The Wall Street Journal sets the stage with an example from 2004:
That backing is based on real evidence. In 2004, John Kerry won Wisconsin over George W. Bush by 11,380 votes out of 2.5 million cast. After allegations of fraud surfaced, the Milwaukee police department's Special Investigative Unit conducted a probe. Its February 2008 report found that from 4,600 to 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots. Absentee ballots were cast by people living elsewhere; ineligible felons not only voted but worked at the polls; transient college students cast improper votes; and homeless voters possibly voted more than once.
Much of the problem resulted from Wisconsin's same-day voter law, which allows anyone to show up at the polls, register and then cast a ballot. ID requirements are minimal. The report found that in 2004 a total of 1,305 "same day" voters were invalid.
Now we look at today, with the I Stand With Walker Facebook page reporting firsthand fraud:
I Stand with Scott Walker BREAKING VOTER FRAUD: Poll workers conducting registration on election day, voting, then registering again to vote. High school students registering other high school students under 18. When complained, the poll worker said mind your own business.
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Frances Fox Piven Joins Board of Project Vote – What Could Go Wrong?
big government ^ | Apr 2nd 2010 | Kyle Olson
While ACORN has earned much of the scorn of the press and public in recent months, its voter registration arm, Project Vote, is actually the entity that has been conducting the questionable voter registration drives.
Project Vote has been accused of voter registrations fraud in more than a dozen states. Its parent group ACORN, along with a staff member, are scheduled to be tried for fraud in Nevada in a matter of days. Recently, ACORN was nailed under the RICO Act in Ohio and ordered to never come back to the state. More importantly, the settlement also said ACORN couldn’t simply morph into another organization and cause the same type of trouble in Ohio.
In short, Project Vote is at the root of ACORN’s voter registration fraud problems.
The strategy put forward by Piven and Richard Cloward, to overwhelm the welfare system in the late 60s and early 70s, bankrupted New York City.
It was Piven who suggested that people losing their homes to foreclosure should simply refuse to leave. ACORN had been following this strategy to a T with its Home Defenders program.
And now Piven is going to have a direct influence over the policy and direction of Project Vote.
With Piven now guiding this ship, her success at overwhelming the welfare system will now be applied to voter registration. What could possibly go wrong?
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Bronco wrote:Proof the Dead Vote
The Daily Caller ^ | 1:14 AM 07/29/2011 | Matthew Vadum
In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee....
Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.
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Nevadans who arrived early to vote for Sharron Angle saw Harry Reid's name checked on the voting machines maintained by members of the Service Employees International Union. In other jurisdictions, voters showed up to find others had cast fraudulent absentee ballots in their names. Even those who didn't vote in places such as Troy, N.Y., found absentee ballots had been cast for them.
Bronco wrote:Frances Fox Piven Joins Board of Project Vote – What Could Go Wrong?
big government ^ | Apr 2nd 2010 | Kyle Olson
While ACORN has earned much of the scorn of the press and public in recent months, its voter registration arm, Project Vote, is actually the entity that has been conducting the questionable voter registration drives.
Project Vote has been accused of voter registrations fraud in more than a dozen states. Its parent group ACORN, along with a staff member, are scheduled to be tried for fraud in Nevada in a matter of days. Recently, ACORN was nailed under the RICO Act in Ohio and ordered to never come back to the state. More importantly, the settlement also said ACORN couldn’t simply morph into another organization and cause the same type of trouble in Ohio.
In short, Project Vote is at the root of ACORN’s voter registration fraud problems.
The strategy put forward by Piven and Richard Cloward, to overwhelm the welfare system in the late 60s and early 70s, bankrupted New York City.
It was Piven who suggested that people losing their homes to foreclosure should simply refuse to leave. ACORN had been following this strategy to a T with its Home Defenders program.
And now Piven is going to have a direct influence over the policy and direction of Project Vote.
With Piven now guiding this ship, her success at overwhelming the welfare system will now be applied to voter registration. What could possibly go wrong?
(Excerpt) Read more at biggovernment.com ...
Citizen groups unmasking Dem voter fraud
American Thinker ^ | September 26, 2010 | Ed Lasky
We do the job because the government and media lackeys will not. Massive alleged voter fraud is uncovered by a group of concerned citizens down in Texas. The culprit? The Democrats and Barack Obama's favorite "union" - the thugs at the Service Employees International Union.
A group of people took it upon themselves to work at polling places in 2008 and observed - and were shocked - by what they perceived to be voter fraud. Their next step was to create a citizen-based grassroots group to collect publicly available voting data and analyze what they found (with the help of donated computers and volunteer helpers). They admit they did not know what they were doing at first but where there is a will there is a way.
Reports Fox News
"The first thing we started to do was look at houses with more than six voters in them" Engelbrecht said, because those houses were the most likely to have fraudulent registrations attached to them. "Most voting districts had 1,800 if they were Republican and 2,400 of these houses if they were Democratic . . .
"But we came across one with 24,000, and that was where we started looking."
"Vacant lots had several voters registered on them. An eight-bed halfway house had more than 40 voters registered at its address," Engelbrecht said. "We then decided to look at who was registering the voters."
Their work paid off. Two weeks ago the Harris County voter registrar took their work and the findings of his own investigation and handed them over to both the Texas secretary of state's office and the Harris County district attorney.
Most of the findings focused on a group called Houston Votes, a voter registration group headed by Steve Caddle, who also works for the Service Employees International Union. Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid. The other registrations included one of a woman who registered six times in the same day; registrations of non-citizens; so many applications from one Houston Voters collector in one day that it was deemed to be beyond human capability; and 1,597 registrations that named the same person multiple times, often with different signatures.
Gregoire not only lost the first count, but the second, and then magically all these ballots were found in King County even though they had more votes than voters, and finally, Gregoire won the least accurate of the three counts to be declared governor.Cap'n Cat wrote:SeattleGriz wrote:
Then so is disenfranchisement!
How exactly did King county have more votes than voters? How exactly did King county "forget" to mail out military ballots until it was too late to receive them back. How exactly did they find extra ballots on something like 10 different occasions in favor of Gregoire?
Huge fraud was perpetrated.
