Obama tells Israel to commit suicide

[EWURanger]

Who is this "we" ****? You're American, dude.

I love how Americans always try to associate themselves with something they are not. Irish, Italian, frickin' whatever.......my dad's originally from the UK but that doesn't make me British. If you were born here, you're American, period.

I am a Jew. Do I really have to explain it to you? Do you really not know that many, many American Jews are also Citizens of Israel? Myself included.

You may be Jewish, but if you are an American Citizen living in the United States, then in my book that makes you American, not Israeli. If you want to be Israeli, then by all means go and live there......spend your tax dollars on their defense, fight the good fight.....live long and prosper.

I do understand how the dual citizenship thing works, I just don't agree with it. Prior to me having to get a Top Secret clearance because of my work I could have applied for dual citizenship - but the government makes you renounce allegiance to any foreign government in that scenario, and I agree with that 100%.

I don't have a problem with Jews anymore than people of any other religion. I just don't think it's our responsibility to fend for them anymore than anyone else.

[EWURanger]

This +1000



Our involvement in this issue creates far too many problems for the US. Some don't like to admit it, US support of the Israeli support is probably the number one issue that Islamic fundamentalists cite as their beef with us. I'm tired of us being in the middle of this crap - let them sort it out themselves and leave us out of it.

While I agree with the sentiment, let's be honest, our support of Israel is just a tiny reason why Islamic fundamentalists have a beef with us. Our's not being Muslim and our's letting our women walk and talk in public without stoning them or covering them in a tarp rank right up there as 1 and 1A of why they have a beef with us.

Ah, yes.....the "they hate us because of our freedoms" argument.

Sorry, but I don't buy that. I've spent an expansive amount of time in the middle east, and while the majority of Muslims may not agree with or want to take part in our western life-style, I don't think it's fair to say that they hate us because of it. Yes, there are the radicals who want to create the new caliphate and all of that bullshit, but they are actually a minority. The reality is that US support of Israel is a far bigger issue with most moderate Muslims than our western lifestyle or freedoms are.

[SDHornet]

If your ancestors had been enslaved, imprisoned, starved, tortured, slaugtered, gassed and burned alive, merely because of their ethnicity, you'd understand.

You act like the Jews are the only people to have bad shit happen to them.

I'm all for supporting the only true democracy in the middle east, just not with our tax dollars. I do not think that it is up to the United States to ensure the survival of the Israeli State anymore than it is our responsibility to assist any other country in that regard. It's not about being for the Israelis and against the Arabs or vice versa. We have serious problems of our own that need to be tended to, and we are broke. There is no frickin money. It's time we spent our tax dollars on solving some real problems in our own country and let the rest of the world sort their own shit out.

This.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Why should we give back lands that were taken from the sand niggers after they invaded our country? If Israel must give up our lands taken as a result of our military prowess then the 'late united states' should be forced to give up New Mexico, Arizona, Cali, and all islands gained by WWII. It's only fair. No suprise that a Moslem like barry sortoro is for a plan that benefits his and his daddies people.

Who is this "we" shit? You're American, dude.

I love how Americans always try to associate themselves with something they are not. Irish, Italian, frickin' whatever.......my dad's originally from the UK but that doesn't make me British. If you were born here, you're American, period.

You forgot African Americans................................. I bet that was on purpose huh?

[citdog]

I am a Jew. Do I really have to explain it to you? Do you really not know that many, many American Jews are also Citizens of Israel? Myself included.

You may be Jewish, but if you are an American Citizen living in the United States, then in my book that makes you American, not Israeli. If you want to be Israeli, then by all means go and live there......spend your tax dollars on their defense, fight the good fight.....live long and prosper.

I do understand how the dual citizenship thing works, I just don't agree with it. Prior to me having to get a Top Secret clearance because of my work I could have applied for dual citizenship - but the government makes you renounce allegiance to any foreign government in that scenario, and I agree with that 100%.

I don't have a problem with Jews anymore than people of any other religion. I just don't think it's our responsibility to fend for them anymore than anyone else.

The important thing is that you didn't get to write the book. I wasn't always a dual citizen. It is my right as a Jew and in the event of a major war makes it easier for me to get there to take part in defense of the Jewish State. Unlike MANY other allies of the 'late united states' WE will actually fight for our own country. WE have done quite well EVERY time the arab has attempted to destroy us. Why should we be forced to fall back from lands fairly won to a position that is not tenable militarily? WE will fight for our homes, firesides, and RIGHT TO EXIST. ALL WE ask for is the means and the equipment to do so (and if we can get a deal on the price that'd be great!).

[EWURanger]

Who is this "we" ****? You're American, dude.

I love how Americans always try to associate themselves with something they are not. Irish, Italian, frickin' whatever.......my dad's originally from the UK but that doesn't make me British. If you were born here, you're American, period.

You forgot African Americans................................. I bet that was on purpose huh?

Not at all. The same principle applies universally.

[citdog]

While I agree with the sentiment, let's be honest, our support of Israel is just a tiny reason why Islamic fundamentalists have a beef with us. Our's not being Muslim and our's letting our women walk and talk in public without stoning them or covering them in a tarp rank right up there as 1 and 1A of why they have a beef with us.

Ah, yes.....the "they hate us because of our freedoms" argument.

Sorry, but I don't buy that. I've spent an expansive amount of time in the middle east, and while the majority of Muslims may not agree with or want to take part in our western life-style, I don't think it's fair to say that they hate us because of it. Yes, there are the radicals who want to create the new caliphate and all of that bullshit, but they are actually a minority. The reality is that US support of Israel is a far bigger issue with most moderate Muslims than our western lifestyle or freedoms are.

Sorry bub but 'those people' want to destroy us and deny that we even exist. President Truman was put in his mothers womb to do what he did in 1947.

[EWURanger]

You may be Jewish, but if you are an American Citizen living in the United States, then in my book that makes you American, not Israeli. If you want to be Israeli, then by all means go and live there......spend your tax dollars on their defense, fight the good fight.....live long and prosper.

I do understand how the dual citizenship thing works, I just don't agree with it. Prior to me having to get a Top Secret clearance because of my work I could have applied for dual citizenship - but the government makes you renounce allegiance to any foreign government in that scenario, and I agree with that 100%.

I don't have a problem with Jews anymore than people of any other religion. I just don't think it's our responsibility to fend for them anymore than anyone else.

The important thing is that you didn't get to write the book. I wasn't always a dual citizen. It is my right as a Jew and in the event of a major war makes it easier for me to get there to take part in defense of the Jewish State. Unlike MANY other allies of the 'late united states' WE will actually fight for our own country. WE have done quite well EVERY time the arab has attempted to destroy us. Why should we be forced to fall back from lands fairly won to a position that is not tenable militarily? WE will fight for our homes, firesides, and RIGHT TO EXIST. ALL WE ask for is the means and the equipment to do so (and if we can get a deal on the price that'd be great!).

You're missing my point man. I'm not saying Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself or that it doesn't have the right to exist as a state. I'm just tired of the US being dragged into it..........the same kind of shit goes on all over the world, yet we aren't giving one side millions (billions?) in defense dollars and technology. Gee, wonder why that is?

[citdog]

So why does the moon bat left hate the Jews?

One of your own has this in his signature line.

Is it because you think the US support for Israel is the reason the Muzzies attack us and if we didn't support them we would all get along?

Just curious

Is your head far enough in the sand that you don't realize that that's at least part of it?

alltheway also must think that rape victims were "asking for it"


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[∞∞∞]

Sorry bub but 'those people' want to destroy us and deny that we even exist. President Truman was put in his mothers womb to do what he did in 1947.

I agree that most radicals want Israel destroyed, but the issue with Arabs (even Christians) in the region is how Israel ends up responding to these radicals. The 2006 War is the perfect example. You have a terrorist group attack Israel and how does Israel respond?

-Leveling part of the capital.
-Destroying the airport so no one, including civilians, could flee.
-24/7 no fly zone
-Embargo
-Killing thousands of civilians
-Destroying tourism (still being recovered from)

You can see how people not involved with the radicals end up not liking Israel, and our unyielding support for them.

ps. and Hezbollah is now stronger than ever lol, and partly thanks to that conflict. That's a big problem.

[GannonFan]

While I agree with the sentiment, let's be honest, our support of Israel is just a tiny reason why Islamic fundamentalists have a beef with us. Our's not being Muslim and our's letting our women walk and talk in public without stoning them or covering them in a tarp rank right up there as 1 and 1A of why they have a beef with us.

Ah, yes.....the "they hate us because of our freedoms" argument.

Sorry, but I don't buy that. I've spent an expansive amount of time in the middle east, and while the majority of Muslims may not agree with or want to take part in our western life-style, I don't think it's fair to say that they hate us because of it. Yes, there are the radicals who want to create the new caliphate and all of that bullshit, but they are actually a minority. The reality is that US support of Israel is a far bigger issue with most moderate Muslims than our western lifestyle or freedoms are.

You didn't start this off talking about the moderate Muslims, you went specifically with the Islamic fundementalists. I agree, the more moderate entities are surely at odds with America over its role with Israel and could care less about our lifestyle and freedoms. But it's not the moderates who support Al-Qaida and fly planes into buildings. If Israel disappeared tomorrow and the Palestine question was resolved forever, the Islamic fundamentalists would still be foaming at the mouth and trying to attack America and the rest of the Western world.

[Grizalltheway]

Is your head far enough in the sand that you don't realize that that's at least part of it?

alltheway also must think that rape victims were "asking for it"


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Yep, you nailed it. You hitting up the Neo-Nazi jamboree in Whitefish?

[citdog]

The important thing is that you didn't get to write the book. I wasn't always a dual citizen. It is my right as a Jew and in the event of a major war makes it easier for me to get there to take part in defense of the Jewish State. Unlike MANY other allies of the 'late united states' WE will actually fight for our own country. WE have done quite well EVERY time the arab has attempted to destroy us. Why should we be forced to fall back from lands fairly won to a position that is not tenable militarily? WE will fight for our homes, firesides, and RIGHT TO EXIST. ALL WE ask for is the means and the equipment to do so (and if we can get a deal on the price that'd be great!).

You're missing my point man. I'm not saying Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself or that it doesn't have the right to exist as a state. I'm just tired of the US being dragged into it..........the same kind of shit goes on all over the world, yet we aren't giving one side millions (billions?) in defense dollars and technology. Gee, wonder why that is?

perhaps because WE are the only country in the entire region that can be counted on? This might have a bit to do with it too.

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[Ivytalk]

Obama has never been a great friend of Israel -- that much is clear. He tried to "triangulate" somewhat yesterday, criticizing Palestinian efforts to go after Israel in the U.N. and cautioning that any Palestinian state should not be militaristic. But he wasn't very hard on Syria or Iran, given all the mischief they've caused -- not to mention repression of their own people.

[Grizalltheway]

Obama has never been a great friend of Israel -- that much is clear. He tried to "triangulate" somewhat yesterday, criticizing Palestinian efforts to go after Israel in the U.N. and cautioning that any Palestinian state should not be militaristic. But he wasn't very hard on Syria or Iran, given all the mischief they've caused -- not to mention repression of their own people.

Imposing sanctions (for the first time ever) isn't hard enough?

[citdog]

Sorry bub but 'those people' want to destroy us and deny that we even exist. President Truman was put in his mothers womb to do what he did in 1947.

I agree that most radicals want Israel destroyed, but the issue with Arabs (even Christians) in the region is how Israel ends up responding to these radicals. The 2006 War is the perfect example. You have a terrorist group attack Israel and how does Israel respond?

-Leveling part of the capital.
-Destroying the airport so no one, including civilians, could flee.
-24/7 no fly zone
-Embargo
-Killing thousands of civilians
-Destroying tourism (still being recovered from)

You can see how people not involved with the radicals end up not liking Israel, and our unyielding support for them.

ps. and Hezbollah is now stronger than ever lol, and partly thanks to that conflict. That's a big problem.

let's fire some of these on Texas from Mexico or on Buffalo from Canada and see how the 'late united states' would react.

[andy7171]

Sorry bub but 'those people' want to destroy us and deny that we even exist. President Truman was put in his mothers womb to do what he did in 1947.

I agree that most radicals want Israel destroyed, but the issue with Arabs (even Christians) in the region is how Israel ends up responding to these radicals. The 2006 War is the perfect example. You have a terrorist group attack Israel and how does Israel respond?

-Leveling part of the capital.
-Destroying the airport so no one, including civilians, could flee.
-24/7 no fly zone
-Embargo
-Killing thousands of civilians
-Destroying tourism (still being recovered from)

You can see how people not involved with the radicals end up not liking Israel, and our unyielding support for them.

ps. and Hezbollah is now stronger than ever lol, and partly thanks to that conflict. That's a big problem.

Trip they are surrounded by people who want to completely destroy them.
That damage and death was caused by those terrorists hiding in civilian places. Israel has to respond to attacks and to prove a point that says don't do it again. It's not Israels fault the cowards lobing missile aren't out in the open in fortified locations away from everyone, like Israel's military is. The civilians should not allow these terrorist cowards to hide amongs them. That is where the anger and outrage of the uninvolved should be directed.

[BDKJMU]

I agree that most radicals want Israel destroyed, but the issue with Arabs (even Christians) in the region is how Israel ends up responding to these radicals. The 2006 War is the perfect example. You have a terrorist group attack Israel and how does Israel respond?

-Leveling part of the capital.
-Destroying the airport so no one, including civilians, could flee.
-24/7 no fly zone
-Embargo
-Killing thousands of civilians
-Destroying tourism (still being recovered from)

You can see how people not involved with the radicals end up not liking Israel, and our unyielding support for them.

ps. and Hezbollah is now stronger than ever lol, and partly thanks to that conflict. That's a big problem.

let's fire some of these on Texas from Mexico or on Buffalo from Canada and see how the 'late united states' would react.

Exactly.

[BDKJMU]

I agree that most radicals want Israel destroyed, but the issue with Arabs (even Christians) in the region is how Israel ends up responding to these radicals. The 2006 War is the perfect example. You have a terrorist group attack Israel and how does Israel respond?

-Leveling part of the capital.
-Destroying the airport so no one, including civilians, could flee.
-24/7 no fly zone
-Embargo
-Killing thousands of civilians
-Destroying tourism (still being recovered from)

You can see how people not involved with the radicals end up not liking Israel, and our unyielding support for them.

ps. and Hezbollah is now stronger than ever lol, and partly thanks to that conflict. That's a big problem.

Trip they are surrounded by people who want to completely destroy them.
That damage and death was caused by those terrorists hiding in civilian places. Israel has to respond to attacks and to prove a point that says don't do it again. It's not Israels fault the cowards lobing missile aren't out in the open in fortified locations away from everyone, like Israel's military is. The civilians should not allow these terrorist cowards to hide amongs them. That is where the anger and outrage of the uninvolved should be directed.

Again, exactly.

[BDKJMU]

Sorry bub but 'those people' want to destroy us and deny that we even exist. President Truman was put in his mothers womb to do what he did in 1947.

I agree that most radicals want Israel destroyed, but the issue with Arabs (even Christians) in the region is how Israel ends up responding to these radicals. The 2006 War is the perfect example. You have a terrorist group attack Israel and how does Israel respond?

-Leveling part of the capital.
-Destroying the airport so no one, including civilians, could flee.
-24/7 no fly zone
-Embargo
-Killing thousands of civilians
-Destroying tourism (still being recovered from)

You can see how people not involved with the radicals end up not liking Israel, and our unyielding support for them.

ps. and Hezbollah is now stronger than ever lol, and partly thanks to that conflict. That's a big problem.

Dude, you are clueless if you believe Israel wasn't justified in doing what they did. Hezbollah attacked Israel by firing rockets into Israel while at the same time conducting a border raid that included a anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence in which 3 Israeli soldiers were killed, 2 were wounded, and 2 were kidnapped.

Hezbollah holds 1/2 the seats in the Parliament of Lebanon and is the most powerful single political movement in Lebanon. The Lebanese govt was doing NOTHING to stop them. Hezbollah was intentionally firing rockets at Israel from civilian areas, knowing that when Israel counterattacked, there would be civilian casualties. Israel actual showed quite a bit of restraint, yet you sit there and give the typical leftist response of condeming Israel.

[∞∞∞]

Israel did not respond accordingly. It was gut-wrenching talking to my relatives (and my mom who got evacuated to Cyprus 'cause she's American), who had nothing to do with anything, telling us how missiles were going off less than a mile where they live. Face it, Israel (who was condemned by a whole bunch of world organizations for their actions) made a bad situation significantly worse. Hezbollah was completely retarded for doing what they did, but the fact is that Israel ended up holding accountable, and terrorizing, a whole part of the country for the actions of an organization. Israel was no better than Hezbollah in that conflict.

And Andy, get back to me when armed terrorists enter your home demanding they need shelter and you refuse to give it to them. See if you or your family would survive to post about it here.

Btw, I'm the first to admit that the Lebanese army is weak. They're one of the most pathetic armys I've ever had the displeasure to witness. If you think that they could face Hezbollah, let alone beat them, you're crazy. The problem is that the Lebanese government is between a rock and a hard place. They know Hezbollah is a threat to the country's freedom, but they have absolutely no means to get rid of them. Add that to the fact that Hezbollah is MASTERFUL at propoganda and taking advantage of the south's lack of educated people, and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster.

Lebanon was a neutral country before the 2006 conflict and a US ally. The sad thing is that Israel didn't even beat Hezbollah, gave a whole new generation of kids reason to hate them, and gave Hezbollah even more political power in Lebanon. In that instance, I think Israel didn't really think of the long-term consequences before they acted.

War sucks.

[Grizalltheway]

Israel did not respond accordingly. It was gut-wrenching talking to my relatives (and my mom who got evacuated to Cyprus 'cause she's American), who had nothing to do with anything, telling us how missiles were going off less than a mile where they live. Face it, Israel (who was condemned by a whole bunch of world organizations for their actions) made a bad situation significantly worse. Hezbollah was completely retarded for doing what they did, but the fact is that Israel ended up holding accountable, and terrorizing, a whole part of the country for the actions of an organization. Israel was no better than Hezbollah in that conflict.

And Andy, get back to me when armed terrorists enter your home demanding they need shelter and you refuse to give it to them. See if you or your family would survive to post about it here.

Btw, I'm the first to admit that the Lebanese army is weak. They're one of the most pathetic armys I've ever had the displeasure to witness. If you think that they could face Hezbollah, let alone beat them, you're crazy. The problem is that the Lebanese government is between a rock and a hard place. They know Hezbollah is a threat to the country's freedom, but they have absolutely no means to get rid of them. Add that to the fact that Hezbollah is MASTERFUL at propoganda and taking advantage of the south's lack of educated people, and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster.

Lebanon was a neutral country before the 2006 conflict and a US ally. The sad thing is that Israel didn't even beat Hezbollah, gave a whole new generation of kids reason to hate them, and gave Hezbollah even more political power in Lebanon. In that instance, I think Israel didn't really think of the long-term consequences before they acted.

War sucks.

Great perspective, Trip. Tis a sticky situation.

[BDKJMU]

Israel did not respond accordingly. It was gut-wrenching talking to my relatives (and my mom who got evacuated to Cyprus 'cause she's American), who had nothing to do with anything, telling us how missiles were going off less than a mile where they live. Face it, Israel (who was condemned by a whole bunch of anti semitic world organizations for their actions) made a bad situation significantly worse. Hezbollah was completely retarded for doing what they did, but the fact is that Israel ended up holding accountable, and terrorizing, a whole part of the country for the actions of an organization. Israel was no better than Hezbollah in that conflict.

And Andy, get back to me when armed terrorists enter your home demanding they need shelter and you refuse to give it to them. See if you or your family would survive to post about it here.

Btw, I'm the first to admit that the Lebanese army is weak. They're one of the most pathetic armys I've ever had the displeasure to witness. If you think that they could face Hezbollah, let alone beat them, you're crazy. The problem is that the Lebanese government is between a rock and a hard place. They know Hezbollah is a threat to the country's freedom, but they have absolutely no means to get rid of them. Add that to the fact that Hezbollah is MASTERFUL at propoganda and taking advantage of the south's lack of educated people, and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster.

Lebanon was a neutral country before the 2006 conflict and a US ally. The sad thing is that Israel didn't even beat Hezbollah, gave a whole new generation of kids reason to hate them, and gave Hezbollah even more political power in Lebanon. In that instance, I think Israel didn't really think of the long-term consequences before they acted.

War sucks.

FIFY

[Grizalltheway]

Israel did not respond accordingly. It was gut-wrenching talking to my relatives (and my mom who got evacuated to Cyprus 'cause she's American), who had nothing to do with anything, telling us how missiles were going off less than a mile where they live. Face it, Israel (who was condemned by a whole bunch of anti semitic world organizations for their actions) made a bad situation significantly worse. Hezbollah was completely retarded for doing what they did, but the fact is that Israel ended up holding accountable, and terrorizing, a whole part of the country for the actions of an organization. Israel was no better than Hezbollah in that conflict.

And Andy, get back to me when armed terrorists enter your home demanding they need shelter and you refuse to give it to them. See if you or your family would survive to post about it here.

Btw, I'm the first to admit that the Lebanese army is weak. They're one of the most pathetic armys I've ever had the displeasure to witness. If you think that they could face Hezbollah, let alone beat them, you're crazy. The problem is that the Lebanese government is between a rock and a hard place. They know Hezbollah is a threat to the country's freedom, but they have absolutely no means to get rid of them. Add that to the fact that Hezbollah is MASTERFUL at propoganda and taking advantage of the south's lack of educated people, and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster.

Lebanon was a neutral country before the 2006 conflict and a US ally. The sad thing is that Israel didn't even beat Hezbollah, gave a whole new generation of kids reason to hate them, and gave Hezbollah even more political power in Lebanon. In that instance, I think Israel didn't really think of the long-term consequences before they acted.

War sucks.

FIFY

Which ones? And please, document the anti-semitism.

[citdog]

Israel did not respond accordingly. It was gut-wrenching talking to my relatives (and my mom who got evacuated to Cyprus 'cause she's American), who had nothing to do with anything, telling us how missiles were going off less than a mile where they live. Face it, Israel (who was condemned by a whole bunch of world organizations for their actions) made a bad situation significantly worse. Hezbollah was completely retarded for doing what they did, but the fact is that Israel ended up holding accountable, and terrorizing, a whole part of the country for the actions of an organization. Israel was no better than Hezbollah in that conflict.

And Andy, get back to me when armed terrorists enter your home demanding they need shelter and you refuse to give it to them. See if you or your family would survive to post about it here.

Btw, I'm the first to admit that the Lebanese army is weak. They're one of the most pathetic armys I've ever had the displeasure to witness. If you think that they could face Hezbollah, let alone beat them, you're crazy. The problem is that the Lebanese government is between a rock and a hard place. They know Hezbollah is a threat to the country's freedom, but they have absolutely no means to get rid of them. Add that to the fact that Hezbollah is MASTERFUL at propoganda and taking advantage of the south's lack of educated people, and you've got yourself a recipe for disaster.

Lebanon was a neutral country before the 2006 conflict and a US ally. The sad thing is that Israel didn't even beat Hezbollah, gave a whole new generation of kids reason to hate them, and gave Hezbollah even more political power in Lebanon. In that instance, I think Israel didn't really think of the long-term consequences before they acted.

War sucks.

this reminds me of stories from the cities about 2 or 3 street thugs that keep people prisoners in their own homes. at first glance it seems really sad but as one thinks more about it one realizes that if people are too cowardly to do anything about it they DESERVE it.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to WILLFULLY HARBOR WITHIN YOUR BORDERS SUCH A GROUP AND THEN ATTEMPT PROCLAIM YOUR NEUTRALITY. IF THAT WASN'T A MILITARY DEFEAT FOR hezbollah I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE.

HOW'S THAT TOURISM BUSINESS?

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