Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[89Hen]

It's Treason.

Now Every American has to decide - do I support Treason, or do I support the USA. Can't do both.

I'm no fan of Trump but how was it treason? John Brennan has everyone in an uproar by using that word.

Ivy said it best - it was an embarrassment. Instead of listening to his own JD and intel community, he believes Putin. I'm not sure that amounts to treason. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

It's treason because that's what HuffPo said.

[∞∞∞]

Treason claims aside, I don't see how any American can casually brush off Trump putting Putin ahead of our intelligence agencies. You can certainly question the agencies and criticize them, but they're still Americans working for Americans.

[Ibanez]

I'm no fan of Trump but how was it treason? John Brennan has everyone in an uproar by using that word.

Ivy said it best - it was an embarrassment. Instead of listening to his own JD and intel community, he believes Putin. I'm not sure that amounts to treason. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

It's treason because that's what HuffPo said.

What about the Democratic Underground talking points? Double Secret Treason?

[Skjellyfetti]

The question is whether cyber warfare waged between states counts as war. Don't think we have a good answer for that.

I think the best we can do is label it "light treason."

[kalm]

It's Treason.

Now Every American has to decide - do I support Treason, or do I support the USA. Can't do both.

I'm no fan of Trump but how was it treason? John Brennan has everyone in an uproar by using that word.

Ivy said it best - it was an embarrassment. Instead of listening to his own JD and intel community, he believes Putin. I'm not sure that amounts to treason. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

Treason is pretty well defined in Section 3 of Article III of the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."

Has Trump levied war against the USA? No. We aren't at war with Russia (nothing has been officially declared. There's no legitimate war in which Trump is siding with the enemy.)

Has he provided aid and comfort to the enemy? No. Again, there's no enemy. Russia is an adversary. But a declared enemy? They are not.

I'm a firm believer in using the right the word. Words have specific meanings and to just throw them around, especially the way the media and Trump do, it's reckless. Using the word, " treason" too loosely dilutes it, IMO. Trumps actions in Helsinki were a betrayal to the people. He has the worlds best intel community telling him who is at fault, and he fails to recognize it b/c he believes it sullies his election/administration. Republicans voted for an egomaniac, blowhard. His reaction shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

Btw, if you want to say he's committed treason, use the 2nd definition: a betrayal of trust
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason

You throw the word “the” around like a filthy whore!

[CAA Flagship]

I'm no fan of Trump but how was it treason? John Brennan has everyone in an uproar by using that word.

Ivy said it best - it was an embarrassment. Instead of listening to his own JD and intel community, he believes Putin. I'm not sure that amounts to treason. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

Treason is pretty well defined in Section 3 of Article III of the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."

Has Trump levied war against the USA? No. We aren't at war with Russia (nothing has been officially declared. There's no legitimate war in which Trump is siding with the enemy.)

Has he provided aid and comfort to the enemy? No. Again, there's no enemy. Russia is an adversary. But a declared enemy? They are not.

I'm a firm believer in using the right the word. Words have specific meanings and to just throw them around, especially the way the media and Trump do, it's reckless. Using the word, " treason" too loosely dilutes it, IMO. Trumps actions in Helsinki were a betrayal to the people. He has the worlds best intel community telling him who is at fault, and he fails to recognize it b/c he believes it sullies his election/administration. Republicans voted for an egomaniac, blowhard. His reaction shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

Btw, if you want to say he's committed treason, use the 2nd definition: a betrayal of trust
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason

You throw the word “the” around like a filthy whore!

[Pwns]

If cyber warfare is warfare, then arguably Obama did a whole lot more damage by ceding control over the internet than Trump did for not shaking his finger at Putin for Russians hacking the corrupt DNC.

And Hillary committed a big no-no by doing State department business on an in-home server.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The only part of this Russia, Russia, Russia thingy that is true is that the democrats used them to try and set up Trump.

Trump is right and everyone else is wrong. If the left was modestly intelligent they could have made something stick when they made up this story.

[Ibanez]

I'm no fan of Trump but how was it treason? John Brennan has everyone in an uproar by using that word.

Ivy said it best - it was an embarrassment. Instead of listening to his own JD and intel community, he believes Putin. I'm not sure that amounts to treason. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

Treason is pretty well defined in Section 3 of Article III of the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."

Has Trump levied war against the USA? No. We aren't at war with Russia (nothing has been officially declared. There's no legitimate war in which Trump is siding with the enemy.)

Has he provided aid and comfort to the enemy? No. Again, there's no enemy. Russia is an adversary. But a declared enemy? They are not.

I'm a firm believer in using the right the word. Words have specific meanings and to just throw them around, especially the way the media and Trump do, it's reckless. Using the word, " treason" too loosely dilutes it, IMO. Trumps actions in Helsinki were a betrayal to the people. He has the worlds best intel community telling him who is at fault, and he fails to recognize it b/c he believes it sullies his election/administration. Republicans voted for an egomaniac, blowhard. His reaction shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

Btw, if you want to say he's committed treason, use the 2nd definition: a betrayal of trust
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason

You throw the word “the” around like a filthy whore!

27 uses is conservative. 30 or more would have been liberal.

[CAA Flagship]

You throw the word “the” around like a filthy whore!

27 uses is conservative. 30 or more would have been liberal.

Here's your quote from above:

I'm a firm believer in using the right the word.

[Ibanez]

The question is whether cyber warfare waged between states counts as war. Don't think we have a good answer for that.

I think the best we can do is label it "light treason."

I agree it's murky. Right now it has the same weight as the War on Drugs or the War on Poverty. Until Congress declares war (which isn't hasn't formally done since WW2) I think the best we can have is a "Current Unpleasantness".

[Ibanez]

27 uses is conservative. 30 or more would have been liberal.

Here's your quote from above:

I'm a firm believer in using the right the word.

And I stand by that quote.

[CAA Flagship]

Here's your quote from above:

And I stand by that quote.

Left side or right side?

[Ibanez]

And I stand by that quote.

Left side or right side?

Caddy-whompus of right.

[BDKJMU]

It's Treason.

Now Every American has to decide - do I support Treason, or do I support the USA. Can't do both.

I'm no fan of Trump but how was it treason? John Brennan has everyone in an uproar by using that word.

Ivy said it best - it was an embarrassment. Instead of listening to his own JD and intel community, he believes Putin. I'm not sure that amounts to treason. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

Treason is pretty well defined in Section 3 of Article III of the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."

Has Trump levied war against the USA? No. We aren't at war with Russia (nothing has been officially declared. There's no legitimate war in which Trump is siding with the enemy.)

Has he provided aid and comfort to the enemy? No. Again, there's no enemy. Russia is an adversary. But a declared enemy? They are not.

I'm a firm believer in using the right the word. Words have specific meanings and to just throw them around, especially the way the media and Trump do, it's reckless. Using the word, " treason" too loosely dilutes it, IMO. Trumps actions in Helsinki were a betrayal to the people. He has the worlds best intel community telling him who is at fault, and he fails to recognize it b/c he believes it sullies his election/administration. Republicans voted for an egomaniac, blowhard. His reaction shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

Btw, if you want to say he's committed treason, use the 2nd definition: a betrayal of trust
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason

In the same vein as Trump and those who voted for them are Nazis. While I agree with most of your JSOesque reply, some idiocy spewed by Brokeback and those of his ilk siffering from TDS aren’t worth wasting the time responding to other than laughing at how deranged they are.

[css75]

Trump did not have his best day in Helsinki. Wonder if he would have been able to have done better had not the stupid witch hunt of Mueller. was not hanging over this.

He would have had the best day. One of the best ever. Better than he'll ever need. Nobody has more best days. Hillary Clinton has the worst days. She has the worst days in the history of America. And in 2016, no one expected him to have the best day, but he knew he was going to have the best day ever. The bestest day.

Such nonsense. Now tell me how the Dems have done such a great job of governing the inner cities for the past 50+ years.


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[UNI88]

Trump did not have his best day in Helsinki. Wonder if he would have been able to have done better had not the stupid witch hunt of Mueller. was not hanging over this.

He would have had the best day. One of the best ever. Better than he'll ever need. Nobody has more best days. Hillary Clinton has the worst days. She has the worst days in the history of America. And in 2016, no one expected him to have the best day, but he knew he was going to have the best day ever. The bestest day.

Nice parody of a somewhat typical Trump response to criticsm.

[BDKJMU]

Three years ago I never thought I'd be saying this but:

We really, really need for the Democrats to take control of at least one House of Congress. This is bad. We have a really, really bad President right now.

[Ibanez]

I'm no fan of Trump but how was it treason? John Brennan has everyone in an uproar by using that word.

Ivy said it best - it was an embarrassment. Instead of listening to his own JD and intel community, he believes Putin. I'm not sure that amounts to treason. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

Treason is pretty well defined in Section 3 of Article III of the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."

Has Trump levied war against the USA? No. We aren't at war with Russia (nothing has been officially declared. There's no legitimate war in which Trump is siding with the enemy.)

Has he provided aid and comfort to the enemy? No. Again, there's no enemy. Russia is an adversary. But a declared enemy? They are not.

I'm a firm believer in using the right the word. Words have specific meanings and to just throw them around, especially the way the media and Trump do, it's reckless. Using the word, " treason" too loosely dilutes it, IMO. Trumps actions in Helsinki were a betrayal to the people. He has the worlds best intel community telling him who is at fault, and he fails to recognize it b/c he believes it sullies his election/administration. Republicans voted for an egomaniac, blowhard. His reaction shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

Btw, if you want to say he's committed treason, use the 2nd definition: a betrayal of trust
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason

In the same vein as Trump and those who voted for them are Nazis. While I agree with most of your JSOesque reply, some idiocy spewed by Brokeback and those of his ilk siffering from TDS aren’t worth wasting the time responding to other than laughing at how deranged they are.

JSO-esque?

[BDKJMU]

In the same vein as Trump and those who voted for them are Nazis. While I agree with most of your JSOesque reply, some idiocy spewed by Brokeback and those of his ilk siffering from TDS aren’t worth wasting the time responding to other than laughing at how deranged they are.

JSO-esque?

Ok, I should have said not in content, but a little bit in length..

[Silenoz]

Treason claims aside, I don't see how any American can casually brush off Trump putting Putin ahead of our intelligence agencies. You can certainly question the agencies and criticize them, but they're still Americans working for Americans.

Because those same Americans prefer Russia over the Left. And vice versa, I'm sure. Fun times.

And yes, that is how they see it.

[CAA Flagship]

Left side or right side?

Caddy-whompus of right.

Aha. Back to the sun. Smart.

[kalm]

Treason claims aside, I don't see how any American can casually brush off Trump putting Putin ahead of our intelligence agencies. You can certainly question the agencies and criticize them, but they're still Americans working for Americans.

Because those same Americans prefer Russia over the Left. And vice versa, I'm sure. Fun times.

And yes, that is how they see it.

This.

Sweden is the new Soviet Union. Gawdamm herring loving commies!!!

[CAA Flagship]

Because those same Americans prefer Russia over the Left. And vice versa, I'm sure. Fun times.

And yes, that is how they see it.

This.

Sweden is the new Soviet Union. Gawdamm herring loving commies!!!

Viva!!!!!!

[JohnStOnge]

It wasn't treason. But at some point all need to admit that this guy has no business being President and that people who voted for him screwed up.