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That’s what the coastal elite Marylanders and Northern Virginians who don’t belong there call it

What’s your excuse?
Yeah, I grew up 80-90s going to the Outer Banks 1-3 times a year, and IMHOP saying OBX is dumb. There’s no ‘X’ in Outer Banks. If you want to abbreviate, why not just OB?

Because OB is Ocean Beach in San Diego. :roll:

OBX works fine for the Outer Banx. :coffee:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
SDHornet wrote:Except all of Comey's insubordinate actions occurred during his handling of the hillary email investigation and well before the Russia investigation even began. So yes, the justification of Comey's firing had nothing to do with the Russian investigation.You should re-read the IG Report's executive summary again, maybe you'll get it a second time through.
Comey deserved to be fired - but, Trump didn't fire him because he was unfair to Hillary. Come on, man. :lol:
SDHornet wrote:So guess who would have likely been directly involved with setting up all these meetings with Russians to entrap folks in the Trump camp with hillary dirt?
You're not still going on about that are you? All the Republicans that have been briefed said the FBI acted according to protocol. :wall:

Gotta cover a lot of ground when you're the personal apologist for a professional swindler..... Waddup SD? They tell you to play ball if you ever want to see your nephew again.. :shock:
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That’s what the coastal elite Marylanders and Northern Virginians who don’t belong there call it

What’s your excuse?
Me and my girlfriend wanted to look at a 5 acre plot in Greenville NC that is recently up for sale
after we checked it out we spent the week in Corolla doing absolutely nothing

We like Greenville NC a lot, we might build a house there

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
89Hen wrote:Not sure Jelly knows what to make of the Gowdy video. I'm sure he'll dismiss it and just post the one quote from the report that says no bias was found.
Finally got a chance to watch it.

~14:00 into it... when Horowitz is given the opportunity to respond - he reiterates the same thing.
We looked at text messages, emails, documents to try and access whether the specific decisions we
were asked to look at... and then ultimately prosecutorial decisions... were impacted by Stzrok and Page
and other's views. And what we ended up finding - particularly as to the prosecutors' decision was that was a decision they made exercising their discretion on their view of the policy, the law, and the facts as it was found.
We laid that out. And, in our view, we didn't find or see evidence that prosecutors were impacted by bias.

Earlier you said:
89Hen wrote: Having a bias and using it are very different.
Do you still agree with that?

There's no evidence that they took any action based on their bias.

If they were so determined to stop Trump from becoming President.... if "we'll stop it" meant that they'll use the power of the FBI to stop Trump from becoming President - what did they do?

Did they do anything? :?

The investigation of Trump was kept under wraps until March of 2017. Well after the election. There were no leaks of the investigation.

I'm assuming Page and Stzrok had access to the dossier and other information. Why didn't they leak it?

If they were using their position to stop Trump from becoming President - either I'm missing what actions they took - or, they did a pretty shitty job. :lol:

Yeah, I agree that they should be removed from the Russia investigation. But, other than that. Yawn. The IG report does not see any kind of grand Deep State conspiracy to bring down Trump. Period.
So the talking points are finally in. Must have been tough waiting out the newfound outrage over illegal immigration. :coffee:

All your spinning aside, you do know that the FBI had its mind made up on this "matter" before its recommendation was made right? Kind of an important tidbit you left out of your spin.
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houndawg wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Comey deserved to be fired - but, Trump didn't fire him because he was unfair to Hillary. Come on, man. :lol:



You're not still going on about that are you? All the Republicans that have been briefed said the FBI acted according to protocol. :wall:

Gotta cover a lot of ground when you're the personal apologist for a professional swindler..... Waddup SD? They tell you to play ball if you ever want to see your nephew again.. :shock:
Apologist? :? :lol:

If Trump (or anyone else) colluded with the Russians to win the election then he/they deserves every bit of consequences doled out...

...oh and speaking of Russian collusion, we find any yet jellybean?

Here, let me help:
WASHINGTON — The Obama White House’s chief cyber official testified Wednesday that proposals he was developing to counter Russia’s attack on the U.S. presidential election were put on a “back burner” after he was ordered to “stand down” his efforts in the summer of 2016.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cyber- ... 35758.html
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SDHornet wrote: All your spinning aside, you do know that the FBI had its mind made up on this "matter" before its recommendation was made right? Kind of an important tidbit you left out of your spin.
Which "matter"?

Are you talking about the Clinton email investigation or the Russia investigation?

I assume you're talking about the Clinton email investigation. In which case - we should probably take it to that thread. Don't want this one to get artificially inflated. :D

The IOG report has about 20 pages that walk through the decision not to prosecute Clinton. If you really want to hash it out again here... ok. But, it doesn't have anything to do with Mueller and his investigation. :thumb:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
SDHornet wrote: All your spinning aside, you do know that the FBI had its mind made up on this "matter" before its recommendation was made right? Kind of an important tidbit you left out of your spin.
Which "matter"?

Are you talking about the Clinton email investigation or the Russia investigation?

I assume you're talking about the Clinton email investigation. In which case - we should probably take it to that thread. Don't want this one to get artificially inflated. :D

The IOG report has about 20 pages that walk through the decision not to prosecute Clinton. If you really want to hash it out again here... ok. But, it doesn't have anything to do with Mueller and his investigation. :thumb:
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:

You're such a dick.

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Logic would say...just a distraction. :lol:
Yes OccupyDemocrats is a bastion of logic

I’ll see your OccupyDemocrats and raise you an Infowars

You and Jelly are like that numbskull who always starts the evolution threads when he’s drunk... “Scientists don’t know how DNA formed, therefore Jesus.”

Manafort worked for Trump, Manafort’s in jail, therefore collusion! (Because that’s precisely what that meme implies)

Really I did think you were smarter
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
SDHornet wrote: All your spinning aside, you do know that the FBI had its mind made up on this "matter" before its recommendation was made right? Kind of an important tidbit you left out of your spin.
Which "matter"?

Are you talking about the Clinton email investigation or the Russia investigation?

I assume you're talking about the Clinton email investigation. In which case - we should probably take it to that thread. Don't want this one to get artificially inflated. :D

The IOG report has about 20 pages that walk through the decision not to prosecute Clinton. If you really want to hash it out again here... ok. But, it doesn't have anything to do with Mueller and his investigation. :thumb:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
SDHornet wrote: All your spinning aside, you do know that the FBI had its mind made up on this "matter" before its recommendation was made right? Kind of an important tidbit you left out of your spin.
Which "matter"?

Are you talking about the Clinton email investigation or the Russia investigation?

I assume you're talking about the Clinton email investigation. In which case - we should probably take it to that thread. Don't want this one to get artificially inflated. :D

The IOG report has about 20 pages that walk through the decision not to prosecute Clinton. If you really want to hash it out again here... ok. But, it doesn't have anything to do with Mueller and his investigation. :thumb:
That same report - which the IG also reiterated in Congressional testimony - outlines significant bias on the part of lead agents and attorneys ... it makes no finding of guilt, only lays out the factual matters the IG is tasked with examining. It is a fairly typical report, and the IG correctly states that it is intended to be a report from which observers can draw their own conclusions - not a conclusion in and of itself.

Trey Gowdy was absolutely correct in his comments about how the Clinton investigation hinged on intent (not an element of the statute, btw) ... and in any intent case you must question the person who may or may not have had intent. That's Criminal Investigation 101 and the leading LE agency of the land didn't follow it.

The IG report certainly does leave us to draw our own conclusions .... and I see two: incompetence, or a finger on the scale

either way, it makes no difference at this point. they arent going to go back and have a do-over (politically impossible) - but it has bearing on the Russia investigation as it gives us frame of mind context with the major players

FYI... Strzock lost his sec clearance as a result of Part 2 of the IG investigation- not because of these findings. Maybe it was nothing


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Skjellyfetti wrote:
SDHornet wrote: All your spinning aside, you do know that the FBI had its mind made up on this "matter" before its recommendation was made right? Kind of an important tidbit you left out of your spin.
Which "matter"?

Are you talking about the Clinton email investigation or the Russia investigation?

I assume you're talking about the Clinton email investigation. In which case - we should probably take it to that thread. Don't want this one to get artificially inflated. :D

The IOG report has about 20 pages that walk through the decision not to prosecute Clinton. If you really want to hash it out again here... ok. But, it doesn't have anything to do with Mueller and his investigation. :thumb:
That same report - which the IG also reiterated in Congressional testimony - outlines significant bias on the part of lead agents and attorneys ... it makes no finding of guilt, only lays out the factual matters the IG is tasked with examining. It is a fairly typical report, and the IG correctly states that it is intended to be a report from which observers can draw their own conclusions - not a conclusion in and of itself.

Trey Gowdy was absolutely correct in his comments about how the Clinton investigation hinged on intent (not an element of the statute, btw) ... and in any intent case you must question the person who may or may not have had intent. That's Criminal Investigation 101 and the leading LE agency of the land didn't follow it.

The IG report certainly does leave us to draw our own conclusions .... and I see two: incompetence, or a finger on the scale

either way, it makes no difference at this point. they arent going to go back and have a do-over (politically impossible) - but it has bearing on the Russia investigation as it gives us frame of mind context with the major players

FYI... Strzock lost his sec clearance as a result of Part 2 of the IG investigation- not because of these findings. Maybe it was nothing






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Cid with another knock out blow. The same group of folks were instrumental in both investigations (see Gowdy clip again for reference)...and to top it off 5 members of Muellers super duper justice league team have been "reassigned" because of what Horowitz has dug up. So this IG report has cost Mueller a third of his team as well as its credibility...

...and Horowitz is still investigating the FISA application and subsequent Russia probe.
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SDHornet wrote:Cid with another knock out blow. The same group of folks were instrumental in both investigations (see Gowdy clip again for reference)...and to top it off 5 members of Muellers super duper justice league team have been "reassigned" because of what Horowitz has dug up. So this IG report has cost Mueller a third of his team as well as its credibility...

...and Horowitz is still investigating the FISA application and subsequent Russia probe.
:popcorn:
And now Mueller is looking more like Bueller....Bueller... :lol:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
89Hen wrote:Not sure Jelly knows what to make of the Gowdy video. I'm sure he'll dismiss it and just post the one quote from the report that says no bias was found.
Finally got a chance to watch it.

~14:00 into it... when Horowitz is given the opportunity to respond - he reiterates the same thing.
We looked at text messages, emails, documents to try and access whether the specific decisions we
were asked to look at... and then ultimately prosecutorial decisions... were impacted by Stzrok and Page
and other's views. And what we ended up finding - particularly as to the prosecutors' decision was that was a decision they made exercising their discretion on their view of the policy, the law, and the facts as it was found.
We laid that out. And, in our view, we didn't find or see evidence that prosecutors were impacted by bias.

Earlier you said:
89Hen wrote: Having a bias and using it are very different.
Do you still agree with that?

There's no evidence that they took any action based on their bias.

If they were so determined to stop Trump from becoming President.... if "we'll stop it" meant that they'll use the power of the FBI to stop Trump from becoming President - what did they do?

Did they do anything? :?

The investigation of Trump was kept under wraps until March of 2017. Well after the election. There were no leaks of the investigation.

I'm assuming Page and Stzrok had access to the dossier and other information. Why didn't they leak it?

If they were using their position to stop Trump from becoming President - either I'm missing what actions they took - or, they did a pretty shitty job. :lol:

Yeah, I agree that they should be removed from the Russia investigation. But, other than that. Yawn. The IG report does not see any kind of grand Deep State conspiracy to bring down Trump. Period.
Given the severity of their texts, there is zero chance they didn't perform their work in a biased matter. End of story.
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89Hen wrote: Given the severity of their texts, there is zero chance they didn't perform their work in a biased matter. End of story.
Agreed. What sucks is now even if there is evidence of wrong-doing and/or collusion by the Trump campaign, it's going to be eternally clouded by the bias in the investigators. They crapped the bed on this one before they even started. You can't read those texts and go "sure, these folks will be fair and above board". FBI people should know better. :ohno:
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Yeah, I grew up 80-90s going to the Outer Banks 1-3 times a year, and IMHOP saying OBX is dumb. There’s no ‘X’ in Outer Banks. If you want to abbreviate, why not just OB?

Because OB is Ocean Beach in San Diego. :roll:

OBX works fine for the Outer Banx. :coffee:
No it doesn’t. Having an ‘x’ in there makes zero sense..OBK or OBS would make more sense than OBX..

And I thought OB to donks was ‘Open Borders’..
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BDKJMU wrote:
houndawg wrote:

Because OB is Ocean Beach in San Diego. :roll:

OBX works fine for the Outer Banx. :coffee:
No it doesn’t. Having an ‘x’ in there makes zero sense..OBK or OBS would make more sense than OBX..

And I thought OB to donks was ‘Open Borders’..
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Chizzang wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: No it doesn’t. Having an ‘x’ in there makes zero sense..OBK or OBS would make more sense than OBX..

And I thought OB to donks was ‘Open Borders’..
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Thx for the entertaining posts BDKJMU

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Ivytalk wrote:
SDHornet wrote:Cid with another knock out blow. The same group of folks were instrumental in both investigations (see Gowdy clip again for reference)...and to top it off 5 members of Muellers super duper justice league team have been "reassigned" because of what Horowitz has dug up. So this IG report has cost Mueller a third of his team as well as its credibility...

...and Horowitz is still investigating the FISA application and subsequent Russia probe.
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BDKJMU wrote:
houndawg wrote:

Because OB is Ocean Beach in San Diego. :roll:

OBX works fine for the Outer Banx. :coffee:
No it doesn’t. Having an ‘x’ in there makes zero sense..OBK or OBS would make more sense than OBX..

And I thought OB to donks was ‘Open Borders’..
It's for the "ks" at the end of "Banks." It makes perfect sense.
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Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: No it doesn’t. Having an ‘x’ in there makes zero sense..OBK or OBS would make more sense than OBX..

And I thought OB to donks was ‘Open Borders’..
It's for the "ks" at the end of "Banks." It makes perfect sense.
OBX is perfect.
There are lots of OB's:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Ibanez wrote: It's for the "ks" at the end of "Banks." It makes perfect sense.
OBX is perfect.
There are lots of OB's:
Ormond Beach
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Ocean Beach
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Only one of those OBs matter. :coffee:
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A federal judge on Friday sharply criticized Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s criminal case in Virginia against President Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, and openly questioned whether Mueller exceeded his prosecutorial powers by bringing it.

“I don’t see what relationship this indictment has with anything the special counsel is authorized to investigate,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III in the Eastern District of Virginia said.

At a tense hearing at the federal courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, the judge said Mueller should not have “unfettered power” in his Russia probe and that the charges against Manafort did not arise from the investigation into Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.
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Hey, whatever helps you get your jollies. I barely remember posting that and haven’t been following. Let me know when they find something that’ll matter to Trump. The witch hunt doesn’t seem to be bagging many trophies. Manafort is a button buck. :thumb:
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BDKJMU wrote:
houndawg wrote:

Because OB is Ocean Beach in San Diego. :roll:

OBX works fine for the Outer Banx. :coffee:
No it doesn’t. Having an ‘x’ in there makes zero sense..OBK or OBS would make more sense than OBX..

And I thought OB to donks was ‘Open Borders’..
OB is Ocean Beach, San Diego everywhere in the country.


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