Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

[Ibanez]

That’s what the coastal elite Marylanders and Northern Virginians who don’t belong there call it

What’s your excuse?

Me and my girlfriend wanted to look at a 5 acre plot in Greenville NC that is recently up for sale
after we checked it out we spent the week in Corolla doing absolutely nothing

We like Greenville NC a lot, we might build a house there

I'm curious as to what you like about it. I know quite a few ECU grads that loathe the city. Is it the proximity to the Outer Banks? I've been there once or twice and it's pretty non-descript (sp?). I'm not "hating" on it, just interested.

[Chizzang]

Me and my girlfriend wanted to look at a 5 acre plot in Greenville NC that is recently up for sale
after we checked it out we spent the week in Corolla doing absolutely nothing

We like Greenville NC a lot, we might build a house there

I'm curious as to what you like about it. I know quite a few ECU grads that loathe the city. Is it the proximity to the Outer Banks? I've been there once or twice and it's pretty non-descript (sp?). I'm not "hating" on it, just interested.

Well the plot is actually closer to Chocowinity

[Ibanez]

I'm curious as to what you like about it. I know quite a few ECU grads that loathe the city. Is it the proximity to the Outer Banks? I've been there once or twice and it's pretty non-descript (sp?). I'm not "hating" on it, just interested.

Well the plot is actually closer to Chocowinity

That's a good 40-50 minutes from Kinston (Mother Earth Brewing Co.) and New Bern (the home of Pepsi)

[CID1990]

My mother’s family are all High Tiders - grandmother from Kinston and grandfather from Hyde County.

Greenville is ok, but go a little further east and look around New Bern

[SDHornet]

I'm really enjoying seeing you trying to spin this and go into your normal "hide the ball" routine jellybean. I really am. The IG report justified Comey's firing due to his insubordination which sinks whatever lame Russia narratives there were claiming the Comey firing was because Russia!!!!

How can you say that when Trump himself said he fired Comey because of Russia? Do you REALLY think Trump fired Comey because Comey was mean to Hillary and hurt Hillary's election chances?

Do you REALLY think he'd have fired him if there had been no "Russia" investigation?

Except all of Comey's insubordinate actions occurred during his handling of the hillary email investigation and well before the Russia investigation even began. So yes, the justification of Comey's firing had nothing to do with the Russian investigation.You should re-read the IG Report's executive summary again, maybe you'll get it a second time through.

[SDHornet]

Also, I have a question for those who think Strzok texting “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it” is a smoking gun. Can you point to anything the FBI actually DID prior to the election that might be construed as trying to stop Trump from winning? Were there any damaging leaks? Were there any leaks letting the public know the FBI was investigating the possibility of coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians? Anything at all to indicate that any action by the FBI reflected some effort to stop Trump from winning?

You know Strzok was Chief of the FBI's Counterespionage Section and then became Deputy Assistant Director of the Counterespionage Division (2nd from the top in that Division) right? So guess who would have likely been directly involved with setting up all these meetings with Russians to entrap folks in the Trump camp with hillary dirt?


Hint: Same guy that sent the "we'll stop him" text.

BTW, who the fuck is "we"?

[Skjellyfetti]

Except all of Comey's insubordinate actions occurred during his handling of the hillary email investigation and well before the Russia investigation even began. So yes, the justification of Comey's firing had nothing to do with the Russian investigation.You should re-read the IG Report's executive summary again, maybe you'll get it a second time through.

Comey deserved to be fired - but, Trump didn't fire him because he was unfair to Hillary. Come on, man.

So guess who would have likely been directly involved with setting up all these meetings with Russians to entrap folks in the Trump camp with hillary dirt?

You're not still going on about that are you? All the Republicans that have been briefed said the FBI acted according to protocol.

[Skjellyfetti]

QAnon, the Crazy Pro-Trump Conspiracy, Melts Down

A man armed with a rifle and a handgun drove an armored truck to the Hoover Dam last Friday and started blocking traffic. He brought a homemade sign with him that said, “Release the OIG report.”

Except the report was already out.

The Justice Department’s Office of the Inspector General released a report the day before criticizing the actions of FBI officials like James Comey during the Hillary Clinton email investigation. President Trump wrongly claimed it “exonerated” him, and right-wing media seized on the revelation that FBI agent Peter Strzok sent a text saying that “we’ll stop” Trump in 2016.

But for followers of the byzantine QAnon conspiracy theory, who had been promised that the report would contain far more damaging revelations about Democrats, the report has been one big anticlimax. The sign the armored truck driver held up on the bridge appeared to reference the idea, promoted by QAnon, that Trump possesses another OIG report that would bring down his enemies once and for all. The second report supposedly proves the FBI, the Justice Department, and top Democrats broke laws in an attempt to stop Trump from winning the presidency. Now Trump just has to release it, QAnon says.

“QAnon” started last November, with a series of cryptic messages posted on the anonymous 4Chan forum. The clues, which QAnon believers claim depict a world where Trump is constantly winning, special counsel Robert Mueller is actually investigating Clinton, and a number of top Democrats are on the verge of being sent from Guantanamo Bay, come from the anonymous “Q”—a reference to the high-ranking Q-level security clearance.

There’s no evidence that Q actually has access to national security secrets, or is anything more than a random person trolling Trump supporters on the internet, but that hasn’t stopped QAnon from winning a number of adherents, including Roseanne Barr. In April, hundreds of QAnon believers marched in D.C., chanting QAnon slogans like “Where we go one, we go all” and demanding “transparency” about the Justice Department.


Q’s clues had long hyped up the release of the OIG report. But then the report came out, and it wasn’t filled with the kinds of revelations QAnon supporters were promised. Now QAnon believers and the mysterious “Q” are scrambling to react to the report’s disappointment.

In a video apparently shot from within the truck during the standoff on the bridge, the truck driver, identified by the Arizona Department of Public Safety as 30-year-old Nevada resident Matthew P. Wright, reflected that disappointment, complaining that Trump had failed to “lock certain people up.”

“We the people demand full disclosure,” Wright said, addressing Trump. “We elected you to do a duty. You said you were going to lock certain people up if you were elected. You have yet to do that. Uphold your oath.”

The driver of the armored truck fled after about an hour on the bridge and was later arrested after blowing out the truck’s tires on police spike strips. Wright has been charged with five criminal counts, including committing terrorist acts.

David Seaman, a prominent proponent of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory who has become an antagonist for QAnon believers, taunted QAnon fans after the OIG report failed to bring down Democrats.

“Q’s own idiot base will demand his head within weeks,” Seaman’s website, Fulcrum News, tweeted after the OIG report was released. “Total shameful confidence scam. Wasted a lot of folks’ time.”

“Praying Medic,” a QAnon proponent who has amassed more than 140,000 followers on YouTube and Twitter, focused on minor formatting details in the report. In a series of tweets, he claimed that typographical changes—“the margins, the fonts that are used”—proved that the released version of the OIG report had been tampered with.

Q responded to the lukewarm reception of the OIG report by claiming that there were actually multiple OIG reports that actually did contain the revelations Q had promised, but that the one that was released had been changed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, a nemesis for QAnon believers. In a clue published after the OIG report came out, Q claimed Trump had an “original IG unredacted report” that the public hadn’t seen.

https://amp.thedailybeast.com/qanon-the ... ssion=true

[Ibanez]

My mother’s family are all High Tiders - grandmother from Kinston and grandfather from Hyde County.

Greenville is ok, but go a little further east and look around New Bern

Kinston is alright. I've been to New Bern several times (usually take a day trip when i'm out at Topsail). New Bern is a great town. The history there makes it that more interesting.

[Ibanez]

How can you say that when Trump himself said he fired Comey because of Russia? Do you REALLY think Trump fired Comey because Comey was mean to Hillary and hurt Hillary's election chances?

Do you REALLY think he'd have fired him if there had been no "Russia" investigation?

Except all of Comey's insubordinate actions occurred during his handling of the hillary email investigation and well before the Russia investigation even began. So yes, the justification of Comey's firing had nothing to do with the Russian investigation.You should re-read the IG Report's executive summary again, maybe you'll get it a second time through.

I don't think you can take Trump at his word.

“When I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, 'You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won,'" Trump said in the interview.

[SDHornet]

Except all of Comey's insubordinate actions occurred during his handling of the hillary email investigation and well before the Russia investigation even began. So yes, the justification of Comey's firing had nothing to do with the Russian investigation.You should re-read the IG Report's executive summary again, maybe you'll get it a second time through.

I don't think you can take Trump at his word.

“When I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, 'You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won,'" Trump said in the interview.

That's the irony, JSO has dozens of posts proclaiming Trumps penchant lying, but what he said about firing Comey and Russia is 100% truth to JSO and jellybean. Nevermind that Trump was most likely just trolling for a rise out of the msm (and by collateral damage the JSO and jellybean types too).

[SDHornet]

Except all of Comey's insubordinate actions occurred during his handling of the hillary email investigation and well before the Russia investigation even began. So yes, the justification of Comey's firing had nothing to do with the Russian investigation.You should re-read the IG Report's executive summary again, maybe you'll get it a second time through.

Comey deserved to be fired - but, Trump didn't fire him because he was unfair to Hillary. Come on, man.

So guess who would have likely been directly involved with setting up all these meetings with Russians to entrap folks in the Trump camp with hillary dirt?

You're not still going on about that are you? All the Republicans that have been briefed said the FBI acted according to protocol.

So the number 2 guy in the FBI counterespionage division says "we'll stop it" but everything is all good....mmkay...

Speaking of Gowdy, he lays it out here...yeah he's cool with how it all went down:

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[SDHornet]

Hey jellybelly and JSO, care to spin this one:

[SDHornet]

And the hits keep coming:

Washington (CNN)FBI agent Peter Strzok was escorted from the FBI building Friday as part of the ongoing internal proceedings at the bureau on his conduct, according to a source familiar with the matter.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics ... index.html

And another hit to the super duper justice league team:

A total treasure trove of stuff from the hearings today, rather than post them all (a long list of them are on the Paul Sperry twitter page), I'll just post this instead:

[Winterborn]

A total treasure trove of stuff from the hearings today, rather than post them all (a long list of them are on the Paul Sperry twitter page), I'll just post this instead:

Careful you will go blind.

[BDKJMU]

Comey deserved to be fired - but, Trump didn't fire him because he was unfair to Hillary. Come on, man.



You're not still going on about that are you? All the Republicans that have been briefed said the FBI acted according to protocol.

So the number 2 guy in the FBI counterespionage division says "we'll stop it" but everything is all good....mmkay...

Speaking of Gowdy, he lays it out here...yeah he's cool with how it all went down:

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Slam dunk by Gowdy. Yeah,in terms of FBI bias effecting their investigations...

[Ibanez]

Comey deserved to be fired - but, Trump didn't fire him because he was unfair to Hillary. Come on, man.



You're not still going on about that are you? All the Republicans that have been briefed said the FBI acted according to protocol.

So the number 2 guy in the FBI counterespionage division says "we'll stop it" but everything is all good....mmkay...

Speaking of Gowdy, he lays it out here...yeah he's cool with how it all went down:

phpBB [video]

100 points to Slitheren (or however you spell it)


I'm not a big fan of Gowdy - but he's nailed it here.

[CAA Flagship]

That gif:

[SDHornet]

That gif:

Credit jelly. I stole that from him when he was jizzing over non-Trump/Russia Manafort news.

[89Hen]

Not sure Jelly knows what to make of the Gowdy video. I'm sure he'll dismiss it and just post the one quote from the report that says no bias was found.

[Skjellyfetti]

Not sure Jelly knows what to make of the Gowdy video. I'm sure he'll dismiss it and just post the one quote from the report that says no bias was found.

Finally got a chance to watch it.

~14:00 into it... when Horowitz is given the opportunity to respond - he reiterates the same thing.

We looked at text messages, emails, documents to try and access whether the specific decisions we
were asked to look at... and then ultimately prosecutorial decisions... were impacted by Stzrok and Page
and other's views. And what we ended up finding - particularly as to the prosecutors' decision was that was a decision they made exercising their discretion on their view of the policy, the law, and the facts as it was found.
We laid that out. And, in our view, we didn't find or see evidence that prosecutors were impacted by bias.

Earlier you said:

Having a bias and using it are very different.

Do you still agree with that?

There's no evidence that they took any action based on their bias.

If they were so determined to stop Trump from becoming President.... if "we'll stop it" meant that they'll use the power of the FBI to stop Trump from becoming President - what did they do?

Did they do anything?

The investigation of Trump was kept under wraps until March of 2017. Well after the election. There were no leaks of the investigation.

I'm assuming Page and Stzrok had access to the dossier and other information. Why didn't they leak it?

If they were using their position to stop Trump from becoming President - either I'm missing what actions they took - or, they did a pretty shitty job.

Yeah, I agree that they should be removed from the Russia investigation. But, other than that. Yawn. The IG report does not see any kind of grand Deep State conspiracy to bring down Trump. Period.

[Skjellyfetti]

In other news - most of Cohen's communications seized in the raid that were protected by attorney - client privilege - were his communications with his lawyers.

~300,000 documents seized.

161 determined to be protected by attorney-client privilege.

8 / 300,000 were him communicating with clients.

[SeattleGriz]

Don't forget the Slumber Party with Tom Arnold too!

In other news - most of Cohen's communications seized in the raid that were protected by attorney - client privilege - were his communications with his lawyers.

~300,000 documents seized.

161 determined to be protected by attorney-client privilege.

8 / 300,000 were him communicating with clients.

[houndawg]

And, Pasha Manafort gets his bail revoked for witness tampering with his handler.

He'll die in prison unless he starts singing.

No he won't. Trump will pardon him, as he should pardon anyone who Mueller gets a conviction on in his fishing expedition that was outside his mandate of investigating Russian collusion...

...this investigation could take years..

[houndawg]

No he won't. Trump will pardon him, as he should pardon anyone who Mueller gets a conviction on in his fishing expedition that was outside his mandate of investigating Russian collusion...

I mean the original instructions for the investigation include looking into any matters that arise directly from the investigation. And the word collusion is not used.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 1/download

I would expect these investigations would take at least as long as Whitewater since were dealing with a much higher level of criminality. The big question is: can the criminal in the WH be shot for treason?