Psych paper that sums up difference betwen conks and donks on race

[kalm]

So please tell me all those things that are considered odious and by whom...

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1). I said I don’t care about color, not that I didn’t see it.

2). In fact I literally don’t care about any of that so you’ve got nothing which is what I suspected.

[CAA Flagship]

1). I said I don’t care about color, not that I didn’t see it.

2). In fact I literally don’t care about any of that so you’ve got nothing which is what I suspected.

[Pwns]

Here's a helpful flow chart.

1). I said I don’t care about color, not that I didn’t see it.

2). In fact I literally don’t care about any of that so you’ve got nothing which is what I suspected.

Do you think it's sufficient to "not see color" or "not care about color to not be racist"? If so, then you have more the conservative view of what it means to not be racist. Yes, there are some liberals that see it that way but they seem to be shrinking in number.

If you think you've got to actively support minority-owned businesses and films starring minority leads and you think "silence is violence" when it comes to police brutality, you're more in line with social justice warriors. "Anti-racism" to them means doing a lot more than "not caring about color". If you don't think so, I don't know what to tell you other than you must not paying attention.

[AZGrizFan]

Here's a helpful flow chart.

1). I said I don’t care about color, not that I didn’t see it.

2). In fact I literally don’t care about any of that so you’ve got nothing which is what I suspected.

He's got nothing? That "meme" is the MSM's fucking PLAYBOOK.

[kalm]

1). I said I don’t care about color, not that I didn’t see it.

2). In fact I literally don’t care about any of that so you’ve got nothing which is what I suspected.

Do you think it's sufficient to "not see color" or "not care about color to not be racist"? If so, then you have more the conservative view of what it means to not be racist. Yes, there are some liberals that see it that way but they seem to be shrinking in number.

If you think you've got to actively support minority-owned businesses and films starring minority leads and you think "silence is violence" when it comes to police brutality, you're more in line with social justice warriors. "Anti-racism" to them means doing a lot more than "not caring about color". If you don't think so, I don't know what to tell you other than you must not paying attention.

Let me rephrase it for you. I could give a frogs fat ass about anything you just said.

I just try to be a good person and kind to others regardless of skin color. I recognize that prejudice is a part of the human condition regardless of race. I try to not prejudge anyone whether they’re dark, light, or southern (call back to my earlier joke in case you didn’t notice).

Good look with the rest of your pigeon holing expedition!

[CAA Flagship]

Good look with the rest of your pigeon holing expedition!

*luck

[AZGrizFan]

Do you think it's sufficient to "not see color" or "not care about color to not be racist"? If so, then you have more the conservative view of what it means to not be racist. Yes, there are some liberals that see it that way but they seem to be shrinking in number.

If you think you've got to actively support minority-owned businesses and films starring minority leads and you think "silence is violence" when it comes to police brutality, you're more in line with social justice warriors. "Anti-racism" to them means doing a lot more than "not caring about color". If you don't think so, I don't know what to tell you other than you must not paying attention.

Let me rephrase it for you. I could give a frogs fat ass about anything you just said.

I just try to be a good person and kind to others regardless of skin color. I recognize that prejudice is a part of the human condition regardless of race. I try to not prejudge anyone whether they’re dark, light, or southern (call back to my earlier joke in case you didn’t notice).

If only the rest of the world were so kind and considerate.

And what do you have against frogs?

[UNI88]

Let me rephrase it for you. I could give a frogs fat ass about anything you just said.

I just try to be a good person and kind to others regardless of skin color. I recognize that prejudice is a part of the human condition regardless of race. I try to not prejudge anyone whether they’re dark, light, or southern (call back to my earlier joke in case you didn’t notice).

If only the rest of the world were so kind and considerate.

And what do you have against frogs?

Does this mean it's ok to mock the French? Are they, like whites and old people, fair game?

[AZGrizFan]

If only the rest of the world were so kind and considerate.

And what do you have against frogs?

Does this mean it's ok to mock the French? Are they, like whites and old people, fair game?

The French have ALWAYS been fair game. ALWAYS.

[UNI88]

Do you think it's sufficient to "not see color" or "not care about color to not be racist"? If so, then you have more the conservative view of what it means to not be racist. Yes, there are some liberals that see it that way but they seem to be shrinking in number.

If you think you've got to actively support minority-owned businesses and films starring minority leads and you think "silence is violence" when it comes to police brutality, you're more in line with social justice warriors. "Anti-racism" to them means doing a lot more than "not caring about color". If you don't think so, I don't know what to tell you other than you must not paying attention.

Let me rephrase it for you. I could give a frogs fat ass about anything you just said.

I just try to be a good person and kind to others regardless of skin color. I recognize that prejudice is a part of the human condition regardless of race. I try to not prejudge anyone whether they’re dark, light, or southern (call back to my earlier joke in case you didn’t notice).

Good look with the rest of your pigeon holing expedition!

[JohnStOnge]

1). I said I don’t care about color, not that I didn’t see it.

2). In fact I literally don’t care about any of that so you’ve got nothing which is what I suspected.

He's got nothing? That "meme" is the MSM's fucking PLAYBOOK.

I'll agree with you on that one. Except I'd go beyond the media.

[JohnStOnge]

Oh...there's another thing: The reason why conservatives were less likely to present less competence to Blacks could be because they were not as competent as liberals were to begin with. I know that's unpleasant. But it's possible. I'd have to read the whole thing to get a better idea as to the possible impact of that. And I'm not going to read the whole thing.

Again: I am a conservative. But, at the same time, I think that people who are willing to identify as "liberal" have a higher IQ on average than people who are willing to identify as "conservative" do. That could be a factor in the "tone down" thing.

Comedy gold!

You need to research it. It does indeed appear that people who self identify as liberals have higher IQs than people who self identify as conservatives do. See one article at https://reason.com/2014/06/13/are-conse ... -liberals/. Remember, I am not talking about Republicans vs.Democrats. I am talking about people who self identify as "liberal" vs. those who self identify as conservatives.

And with respect to parties: Remember that people who have post graduate degrees have voted for Democrats for a long time now. I don't know if there's ever been a case in my lifetime when people with post grad degrees voted other than majority Democrat in national elections. Clinton beat Trump among post grads by an estimated 58% to 37%. In the 2018 House elections, Democrats won among post grads over Republicans by a combined 65% to 34%.

High IQ people tend not to favor the "conservative" and/or "Republican" side. That is just reality.

[kalm]

Comedy gold!

You need to research it. It does indeed appear that people who self identify as liberals have higher IQs than people who self identify as conservatives do. See one article at https://reason.com/2014/06/13/are-conse ... -liberals/. Remember, I am not talking about Republicans vs.Democrats. I am talking about people who self identify as "liberal" vs. those who self identify as conservatives.

And with respect to parties: Remember that people who have post graduate degrees have voted for Democrats for a long time now. I don't know if there's ever been a case in my lifetime when people with post grad degrees voted other than majority Democrat in national elections. Clinton beat Trump among post grads by an estimated 58% to 37%. In the 2018 House elections, Democrats won among post grads over Republicans by a combined 65% to 34%.

High IQ people tend not to favor the "conservative" and/or "Republican" side. That is just reality.

Duh!

[UNI88]

Comedy gold!

You need to research it. It does indeed appear that people who self identify as liberals have higher IQs than people who self identify as conservatives do. See one article at https://reason.com/2014/06/13/are-conse ... -liberals/. Remember, I am not talking about Republicans vs.Democrats. I am talking about people who self identify as "liberal" vs. those who self identify as conservatives.

And with respect to parties: Remember that people who have post graduate degrees have voted for Democrats for a long time now. I don't know if there's ever been a case in my lifetime when people with post grad degrees voted other than majority Democrat in national elections. Clinton beat Trump among post grads by an estimated 58% to 37%. In the 2018 House elections, Democrats won among post grads over Republicans by a combined 65% to 34%.

High IQ people tend not to favor the "conservative" and/or "Republican" side. That is just reality.

I don't doubt that but I wonder how much that is skewed by the number of academics, researchers and others who are working in semi-public sector positions and who have little to no experience with the economics of the "real" world.

[JohnStOnge]

A good graphic of what I think appears to have been about as sound a study of the issue as we are going to get (from https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... servatives):

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children.

That doesn't necessarily make me happy since I am a conservative. But it is what it is. And I have seen similar things over the years. I think that if one is objective they are forced to accept the idea that people who identify as liberals are more intelligent than those who identify as conservatives.

I think that's a little different than voting Democrat or Republican. I think when it comes to voting the mean IQs of those voting for Democrats and Republicans are probably fairly equal. Especially historically. Historically, both the most highly educated and the least educated tended to vote overwhelmingly Democrat so I think they kind of canceled each other when a mean was calculated. And I don't think those on the low end of the scale tend to identify as liberals. I think people at the high end of the educational scale are much more likely to tell an interviewer "I am a liberal."

Can't prove that. But that's what I think.

[kalm]

A good graphic of what I think appears to have been about as sound a study of the issue as we are going to get (from https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... servatives):

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children.

That doesn't necessarily make me happy since I am a conservative. But it is what it is. And I have seen similar things over the years. I think that if one is objective they are forced to accept the idea that people who identify as liberals are more intelligent than those who identify as conservatives.

I think that's a little different than voting Democrat or Republican. I think when it comes to voting the mean IQs of those voting for Democrats and Republicans are probably fairly equal. Especially historically. Historically, both the most highly educated and the least educated tended to vote overwhelmingly Democrat so I think they kind of canceled each other when a mean was calculated. And I don't think those on the low end of the scale tend to identify as liberals. I think people at the high end of the educational scale are much more likely to tell an interviewer "I am a liberal."

Can't prove that. But that's what I think.

I’ve been trying to tell you guys this for years!

[JohnStOnge]

A good graphic of what I think appears to have been about as sound a study of the issue as we are going to get (from https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... servatives):





That doesn't necessarily make me happy since I am a conservative. But it is what it is. And I have seen similar things over the years. I think that if one is objective they are forced to accept the idea that people who identify as liberals are more intelligent than those who identify as conservatives.

I think that's a little different than voting Democrat or Republican. I think when it comes to voting the mean IQs of those voting for Democrats and Republicans are probably fairly equal. Especially historically. Historically, both the most highly educated and the least educated tended to vote overwhelmingly Democrat so I think they kind of canceled each other when a mean was calculated. And I don't think those on the low end of the scale tend to identify as liberals. I think people at the high end of the educational scale are much more likely to tell an interviewer "I am a liberal."

Can't prove that. But that's what I think.

I’ve been trying to tell you guys this for years!

I've been aware of the phenomenon for a long time. I historically found it to be frustrating because I am a conservative. Obviously there are a lot of highly intelligent conservatives and plenty of not-so-intelligent liberals. But, on average, I have thought for a long time that people who will say "I am a liberal" have higher IQs and higher educational attainment levels on average.

When it comes to Democrat vs. Republican voter averages there are factors such as race that kind of change the calculus. Like for instance Blacks usually vote around 90% Democrat and their average IQ is about 85. That drags down the average IQ of people who vote Democrat. And BTW I am just talking about math. People can argue about why Blacks score much lower than the overall average on IQ tests and whether it's a fair assessment for them. But when you just talk about the math they do score much lower on average so you'd expect the fact that the overwhelming majority of Blacks vote Democrat to have a negative impact on the overall average IQ of Democrat voters.

However, the overwhelming majority of Blacks describe themselves as conservative or moderate. See https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... democrats/. In the polling described there 55% of White Democrats and Democrat leaners described themselves as liberal while only 29% of Black Democrats and Democrat leaners did. So Blacks don't have so big an impact on the average IQ of people who identify as liberal.

[UNI88]

I've been aware of the phenomenon for a long time. I historically found it to be frustrating because I am a conservative. Obviously there are a lot of highly intelligent conservatives and plenty of not-so-intelligent liberals. But, on average, I have thought for a long time that people who will say "I am a liberal" have higher IQs and higher educational attainment levels on average.

[AZGrizFan]

I've been aware of the phenomenon for a long time. I historically found it to be frustrating because I am a conservative. Obviously there are a lot of highly intelligent conservatives and plenty of not-so-intelligent liberals. But, on average, I have thought for a long time that people who will say "I am a liberal" have higher IQs and higher educational attainment levels on average.

No shit.

[JohnStOnge]

I've been aware of the phenomenon for a long time. I historically found it to be frustrating because I am a conservative. Obviously there are a lot of highly intelligent conservatives and plenty of not-so-intelligent liberals. But, on average, I have thought for a long time that people who will say "I am a liberal" have higher IQs and higher educational attainment levels on average.

We've been through this before.

I believe individuals in our species have a right to live as soon as they come into existence (conception).

I believe the Constitution should be interpreted according to the literal meaning of the words and an honest effort to determine how the words were interpreted when they were ratified. That means, for example, I do not believe the Constitution prohibits public schools from having Christian prayers read over the intercom in the morning or prohibits having Christian prayers read prior to public school football games. I also do not think there is really a Constitutional right to abortion.

I think Brown vs. the Board of Education was wrong. I think it's clear that the people who ratified the 14th Amendment did not construe it as prohibiting segregation.

I do not favor affirmative action. Moreover, I believe that there are differences in distributions of aptitudes based on what we call racial groups and that genetics is a factor in those differences.

I think that a private business should have the right to hire, fire, promote, not promote, etc. based on any reason it wants, including race.

I think that a private business should have the right to serve or not serve anybody it wants for any reason it wants, including race.

I do not believe things like food, housing, and health care are rights. I do not think anything that someone else potentially has to provide to you is a right.

Though I am going to benefit from them, I do not think this country should ever have established the Social Security and Medicare systems. We should be working on phasing them out.

I could go on. But I am not only a conservative: I am an EXTREME conservative. The fact that I recognize that there is no way somebody like Trump should be President of the United States does that change that; nor does the fact that I am extremely disappointed in other conservatives for supporting an atrocity like that.

[JohnStOnge]

Oh, and I do not buy into the "systemic racism" thing. I think that, on balance, this society has been engaged for decades now in consciously trying to improve the lot of Blacks. Stuff like the "diversity" dogma used by universities to justify giving Blacks extra points in the admissions process and by employers to do the same thing in the employment process. Things like focused, persistent efforts to narrow the "achievement gap" in education. Things like demanding that Academy Awards nominations be "more diverse" (which is code for "nominate more Blacks"). So on and so forth.

I also think Black behavior is a factor in how police respond to Blacks. I think Blacks are indeed more likely to engage in property crime and violent crime. I think there is a problem with police culture and the policing paradigm in the United States. But I don't think it is limited to how police respond to Blacks.

[JohnStOnge]

Another BTW: The data behind the graphic I posted was accumulated via the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health (https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/web/DSDR/studies/21600). It's a very robust assessment.

[AZGrizFan]

You need to research it. It does indeed appear that people who self identify as liberals have higher IQs than people who self identify as conservatives do. See one article at https://reason.com/2014/06/13/are-conse ... -liberals/. Remember, I am not talking about Republicans vs.Democrats. I am talking about people who self identify as "liberal" vs. those who self identify as conservatives.

And with respect to parties: Remember that people who have post graduate degrees have voted for Democrats for a long time now. I don't know if there's ever been a case in my lifetime when people with post grad degrees voted other than majority Democrat in national elections. Clinton beat Trump among post grads by an estimated 58% to 37%. In the 2018 House elections, Democrats won among post grads over Republicans by a combined 65% to 34%.

High IQ people tend not to favor the "conservative" and/or "Republican" side. That is just reality.

I don't doubt that but I wonder how much that is skewed by the number of academics, researchers and others who are working in semi-public sector positions and who have little to no experience with the economics of the "real" world.

And add in the hundreds of thousands of government workers who’ve never worked in the real world either.

[Gil Dobie]

Oh, and I do not buy into the "systemic racism" thing. I think that, on balance, this society has been engaged for decades now in consciously trying to improve the lot of Blacks. Stuff like the "diversity" dogma used by universities to justify giving Blacks extra points in the admissions process and by employers to do the same thing in the employment process. Things like focused, persistent efforts to narrow the "achievement gap" in education. Things like demanding that Academy Awards nominations be "more diverse" (which is code for "nominate more Blacks"). So on and so forth.

I also think Black behavior is a factor in how police respond to Blacks. I think Blacks are indeed more likely to engage in property crime and violent crime. I think there is a problem with police culture and the policing paradigm in the United States. But I don't think it is limited to how police respond to Blacks.

You don't think high crime levels in poverty stricken areas has anything to do with crime rates? 20% of blacks live in poverty, while only 8% whites. Imo, environment contributes to crime rates and police interaction, not race.

crime and povert link

Evidence greatly suggests that increases in poverty lead to increased violent crime. Evidence from this paper also suggests the same for all seven index crimes and careful studies can yield more verification of the matter

[JohnStOnge]

Oh, and I do not buy into the "systemic racism" thing. I think that, on balance, this society has been engaged for decades now in consciously trying to improve the lot of Blacks. Stuff like the "diversity" dogma used by universities to justify giving Blacks extra points in the admissions process and by employers to do the same thing in the employment process. Things like focused, persistent efforts to narrow the "achievement gap" in education. Things like demanding that Academy Awards nominations be "more diverse" (which is code for "nominate more Blacks"). So on and so forth.

I also think Black behavior is a factor in how police respond to Blacks. I think Blacks are indeed more likely to engage in property crime and violent crime. I think there is a problem with police culture and the policing paradigm in the United States. But I don't think it is limited to how police respond to Blacks.

You don't think high crime levels in poverty stricken areas has anything to do with crime rates? 20% of blacks live in poverty, while only 8% whites. Imo, environment contributes to crime rates and police interaction, not race.

crime and povert link

Evidence greatly suggests that increases in poverty lead to increased violent crime. Evidence from this paper also suggests the same for all seven index crimes and careful studies can yield more verification of the matter

Oh sure. I think it's pretty much accepted by everyone that there is an association between poverty and crime. All I was saying is that I think how police respond to Blacks can be influenced by how Blacks tend to behave. Otherwise: I would not be surprised to find that one cannot account for the difference in frequency of criminal behavior by poverty. It's kind of like the test scores I look at a lot. One of the first things you always hear when the issue of differences in test scores come up is that it's poverty. But when you look at the numbers accounting for poverty does not account for most of the difference. Yes, it accounts for some of it. But there's a very substantial portion of the difference that can't be explained by that.

I have a dim memory that I once looked at the same kind of thing with respect to crime and race a long time ago but it's so dim I can't be sure.