Islamic Cartoon contest...

[Ibanez]

Sam Harris urged EVERY NEWS AGENCY in the free world to run the cartoon
as a response to show Islam that in the rest of the world is united in free speech

But the press FOLDED like a cheap set-of Chinese made Wal-Mart lawn chairs

That would have been cute. But, what would it have accomplished?

You'd still have 1.6 billion muslims.

The question is - if Islam is inherently evil, violent, and destructive - what steps do we take to eliminate it?

Calling them evil, violent, etc. is as effective as calling Trump supporters deplorables.

Maybe we begin with honesty: it's a violent,intolerant and hateful religion that cares only about straight Muslim men and couldn't care any less about women, gays, freedom of anything, etc...

Maybe we should be honest about detestable of a religion it is. And before you bring up Christianity's sordid past - those days are over. Christians aren't throwing gays off the roof or stoning a woman because she committed adultery.

Maybe...


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[Grizalltheway]

I see you keep avoiding his ultimate question...

Spell it out for me then.. What's the ultimate question I'm missing

The logistics of actually making a billion and a half people pinky promise that they'll never ever commit violence in the name of religion. Something tells me your ask clearly and nicely approach won't work.

[Ibanez]

Because apologists like you make it all okay... Everything is fine it's just a few crazy Muslims

We need there to be no place to hide from anybody on earth
Apologetics is a social disaster in progress
See: Black Lives Matter
We all need to own our behavior

Apologizing for buffoonery must stop
All free industrial nations need to unite in requesting an Islamic Reformation



In simple honest open language
With no excuses and apologetics

I see you keep avoiding his ultimate question...

How do you kill an ideology? CID and I have discussed this before. I'm not sure you can.


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[mrklean]

That would have been cute. But, what would it have accomplished?

You'd still have 1.6 billion muslims.

The question is - if Islam is inherently evil, violent, and destructive - what steps do we take to eliminate it?

Calling them evil, violent, etc. is as effective as calling Trump supporters deplorables.

Maybe we begin with honesty: it's a violent,intolerant and hateful religion that cares only about straight Muslim men and couldn't care any less about women, gays, freedom of anything, etc...

Maybe we should be honest about detestable of a religion it is. And before you bring up Christianity's sordid past - those days are over. Christians aren't throwing gays off the roof or stoning a woman because she committed adultery.

Maybe...


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I remember a time when so-called Christians in this country would wear white sheets and ride around he country side killing black people.

So called Christians allowed and excused the practice of slavery in this country for 150 years.

So called Christians thought is was ok, to kill and entire race of people for their land.

I don't think Christians have any room to point fingers.

so-called christian placed a bomb in a church in Birmingham Alabama and killed 4 little girls.

[Grizalltheway]

I see you keep avoiding his ultimate question...

How do you kill an ideology? CID and I have discussed this before. I'm not sure you can.


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Exactly, other than JSO's approach. Which may be loony, but at least he's honest about it.

[HI54UNI]

Maybe we begin with honesty: it's a violent,intolerant and hateful religion that cares only about straight Muslim men and couldn't care any less about women, gays, freedom of anything, etc...

Maybe we should be honest about detestable of a religion it is. And before you bring up Christianity's sordid past - those days are over. Christians aren't throwing gays off the roof or stoning a woman because she committed adultery.

Maybe...


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I remember a time when so-called Christians in this country would wear white sheets and ride around he country side killing black people.

So called Christians allowed and excused the practice of slavery in this country for 150 years.

So called Christians thought is was ok, to kill and entire race of people for their land.

I don't think Christians have any room to point fingers.

so-called christian placed a bomb in a church in Birmingham Alabama and killed 4 little girls.

It will never happen that every follower of any specific religion is going to be perfect. But how many of the 2.2 billion Christians in the world blew themselves up in a terror attack today? How many of the 1.6 billlion Muslins did that? How many Christians slit somebody's throat, beheaded somebody, or threw a gay person off a building today? How many Muslins did those things? How many Christians don't allow women to drive or go to school? How many Muslins?




In the last 30 days there were 141 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 1177 people were killed and 1528 injured.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[Chizzang]

Spell it out for me then.. What's the ultimate question I'm missing

What happens after we yell at Islam, they take our advice, and they reform? Wouldn't we still have Islam?

Oh I see... Brilliant kalm
Bad ideas are invincible (period the end)
Which explains why you and the huge majority of liberals apologize and walk back any reform talk publicly

Thank you Galileo for all your hard work in forwarding good ideas over bad ones

But I hate to break it to you,
humanity has run into the invincible bad idea wrapped in Islamic violence
No logical honest discussion can take place - so we'll globally sweep it under the rug
as not to hurt anybodies feelings

Jeezus
you fucking slack jawed lily livered apologist liberal vaginas...
we can't have an honest conversation, it won't work because it hurts my feelings

[Grizalltheway]

What happens after we yell at Islam, they take our advice, and they reform? Wouldn't we still have Islam?

Oh I see... Brilliant kalm
Bad ideas are invincible (period the end)
Which explains why you and the huge majority of liberals apologize and walk back any reform talk publicly

Thank you Galileo for all your hard work in forwarding good ideas over bad ones

But I hate to break it to you,
humanity has run into the invincible bad idea wrapped in Islamic violence
No logical honest discussion can take place - so we'll globally sweep it under the rug
as not to hurt anybodies feelings

Jeezus
you fucking slack jawed lily livered apologist liberal vaginas...
we can't have an honest conversation, it won't work because it hurts my feelings

Did kalm say we couldn't or shouldn't have the conversation? I don't think he did. I think he's asking you what you think the result of that conversation would be, and what we would do if it's not the result we want.

[mrklean]

I remember a time when so-called Christians in this country would wear white sheets and ride around he country side killing black people.

So called Christians allowed and excused the practice of slavery in this country for 150 years.

So called Christians thought is was ok, to kill and entire race of people for their land.

I don't think Christians have any room to point fingers.

so-called christian placed a bomb in a church in Birmingham Alabama and killed 4 little girls.

It will never happen that every follower of any specific religion is going to be perfect. But how many of the 2.2 billion Christians in the world blew themselves up in a terror attack today? How many of the 1.6 billlion Muslins did that? How many Christians slit somebody's throat, beheaded somebody, or threw a gay person off a building today? How many Muslins did those things? How many Christians don't allow women to drive or go to school? How many Muslins?




In the last 30 days there were 141 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 1177 people were killed and 1528 injured.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

How many Christians said that Black people were only 3/5's of a human?
How many Christians stated that it was God's will that white people should rule over black people?
How many Christians made the excuse that slavery was good for African's because it taught them Christianity?

Again, no room to point fingers

[Chizzang]

Oh I see... Brilliant kalm
Bad ideas are invincible (period the end)
Which explains why you and the huge majority of liberals apologize and walk back any reform talk publicly

Thank you Galileo for all your hard work in forwarding good ideas over bad ones

But I hate to break it to you,
humanity has run into the invincible bad idea wrapped in Islamic violence
No logical honest discussion can take place - so we'll globally sweep it under the rug
as not to hurt anybodies feelings

Jeezus
you fucking slack jawed lily livered apologist liberal vaginas...
we can't have an honest conversation, it won't work because it hurts my feelings

Did kalm say we couldn't or shouldn't have the conversation? I don't think he did. I think he's asking you what you think the result of that conversation would be, and what we would do if it's not the result we want.

For the love of Peter Pan and the Muppets take Manhattan...

First
we need the likes of you two cunts
to not label anybody who mentions Islamic violence as a racist
So start with your friends and work backwards - take a stand you pillow biter

Second
We need global leaders who can speak honestly the same way and not get labeled racist

third
We need the LEFT to STOP making hiding places for Islam
and apologizing incessantly for atrocities and crimes against humanity

fourth
We'll never even get that far to begin the process with people like you two

[Ibanez]

Maybe we begin with honesty: it's a violent,intolerant and hateful religion that cares only about straight Muslim men and couldn't care any less about women, gays, freedom of anything, etc...

Maybe we should be honest about detestable of a religion it is. And before you bring up Christianity's sordid past - those days are over. Christians aren't throwing gays off the roof or stoning a woman because she committed adultery.

Maybe...


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I remember a time when so-called Christians in this country would wear white sheets and ride around he country side killing black people.

So called Christians allowed and excused the practice of slavery in this country for 150 years.

So called Christians thought is was ok, to kill and entire race of people for their land.

I don't think Christians have any room to point fingers.

so-called christian placed a bomb in a church in Birmingham Alabama and killed 4 little girls.

That's you're argument? Do you want to know the difference between Muslims and Christians in this? Christians fought, died and then abolished slavery, fought the kkk in courts and past the ERA.

Muslims make no wholesale appeal or efforts to reform itself and move away from its inhuman doctrine and practices.


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[Grizalltheway]

Did kalm say we couldn't or shouldn't have the conversation? I don't think he did. I think he's asking you what you think the result of that conversation would be, and what we would do if it's not the result we want.

For the love of Peter Pan and the Muppets take Manhattan...

First
we need the likes of you two cunts
to not label anybody who mentions Islamic violence as a racist
So start with your friends and work backwards - take a stand you pillow biter

Second
We need global leaders who can speak honestly the same way and not get labeled racist

third
We need the LEFT to STOP making hiding places for Islam
and apologizing incessantly for atrocities and crimes against humanity

fourth
We'll never even get that far to begin the process with people like you two

Drop the tough guy routine and address the question you insufferable fart knocker.

[Ibanez]

It will never happen that every follower of any specific religion is going to be perfect. But how many of the 2.2 billion Christians in the world blew themselves up in a terror attack today? How many of the 1.6 billlion Muslins did that? How many Christians slit somebody's throat, beheaded somebody, or threw a gay person off a building today? How many Muslins did those things? How many Christians don't allow women to drive or go to school? How many Muslins?




In the last 30 days there were 141 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 1177 people were killed and 1528 injured.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

How many Christians said that Black people were only 3/5's of a human?
How many Christians stated that it was God's will that white people should rule over black people?
How many Christians made the excuse that slavery was good for African's because it taught them Christianity?

Again, no room to point fingers

Again you aren't seeing the point. You are referring to past events where those laws and such have been nullified by WHITE CHRISTIANS. Quit living in the past. Are Christians forcing you to convert? Nope. Islam, today, is the focus. Not a bunch of Christians in 1836 Alabama.


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[kalm]

Did kalm say we couldn't or shouldn't have the conversation? I don't think he did. I think he's asking you what you think the result of that conversation would be, and what we would do if it's not the result we want.

For the love of Peter Pan and the Muppets take Manhattan...

First
we need the likes of you two cunts
to not label anybody who mentions Islamic violence as a racist
So start with your friends and work backwards - take a stand you pillow biter

Second
We need global leaders who can speak honestly the same way and not get labeled racist

third
We need the LEFT to STOP making hiding places for Islam
and apologizing incessantly for atrocities and crimes against humanity

fourth
We'll never even get that far to begin the process with people like you two

Whoa! Slow your roll and wipe off the spittle with your ticorn hat, Mr. Town Crier!

1). I think pointing out islam's propensity for violence is legit.

2). Agreed

3). You and Sam have a tendency to confuse reason and an honest debate in almost EVERY instance with appeasement. Pat Tillman was corresponding with Chomsky while killing bad guys in Ahfganistan.

4)

[HI54UNI]

It will never happen that every follower of any specific religion is going to be perfect. But how many of the 2.2 billion Christians in the world blew themselves up in a terror attack today? How many of the 1.6 billlion Muslins did that? How many Christians slit somebody's throat, beheaded somebody, or threw a gay person off a building today? How many Muslins did those things? How many Christians don't allow women to drive or go to school? How many Muslins?




In the last 30 days there were 141 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 1177 people were killed and 1528 injured.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

How many Christians said that Black people were only 3/5's of a human?
How many Christians stated that it was God's will that white people should rule over black people?
How many Christians made the excuse that slavery was good for African's because it taught them Christianity?

Again, no room to point fingers

This is what I get for foolishly thinking that you were capable of understanding a concept and having a rational thought.

[CID1990]

It will never happen that every follower of any specific religion is going to be perfect. But how many of the 2.2 billion Christians in the world blew themselves up in a terror attack today? How many of the 1.6 billlion Muslins did that? How many Christians slit somebody's throat, beheaded somebody, or threw a gay person off a building today? How many Muslins did those things? How many Christians don't allow women to drive or go to school? How many Muslins?




In the last 30 days there were 141 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 1177 people were killed and 1528 injured.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

How many Christians said that Black people were only 3/5's of a human?
How many Christians stated that it was God's will that white people should rule over black people?
How many Christians made the excuse that slavery was good for African's because it taught them Christianity?

Again, no room to point fingers

I must have missed the part where racial violence in America was a result of religious edict


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[Chizzang]

For the love of Peter Pan and the Muppets take Manhattan...

First
we need the likes of you two cunts
to not label anybody who mentions Islamic violence as a racist
So start with your friends and work backwards - take a stand you pillow biter

Second
We need global leaders who can speak honestly the same way and not get labeled racist

third
We need the LEFT to STOP making hiding places for Islam
and apologizing incessantly for atrocities and crimes against humanity

fourth
We'll never even get that far to begin the process with people like you two

Whoa! Slow your roll and wipe off the spittle with your ticorn hat, Mr. Town Crier!

1). I think pointing out islam's propensity for violence is legit.

2). Agreed

3). You and Sam have a tendency to confuse reason and an honest debate in almost EVERY instance with appeasement. Pat Tillman was corresponding with Chomsky while killing bad guys in Ahfganistan.

4)

Nope:
It's too late for you to agree with me
and then in two weeks go back to asking why we're so mean to the 1% of bad Muslims

We've passed that point long ago
You need to man up and own your opinion and quit wriggling backwards

To you I ask:
What progress do we make by appeasing the 99%..?
What progress do we make by dismissing the anonymous polling results of the Islamic world..?
What progress do we make when we shout down the likes of Sam Harris for even talking about Islam..?



I want to hear YOUR PLAN
How are your apologetics going to play out long term..?

[CitadelGrad]

It will never happen that every follower of any specific religion is going to be perfect. But how many of the 2.2 billion Christians in the world blew themselves up in a terror attack today? How many of the 1.6 billlion Muslins did that? How many Christians slit somebody's throat, beheaded somebody, or threw a gay person off a building today? How many Muslins did those things? How many Christians don't allow women to drive or go to school? How many Muslins?




In the last 30 days there were 141 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 1177 people were killed and 1528 injured.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

How many Christians said that Black people were only 3/5's of a human?
How many Christians stated that it was God's will that white people should rule over black people?
How many Christians made the excuse that slavery was good for African's because it taught them Christianity?

Again, no room to point fingers

I'm not Christian, but I'd say it's more like 1/5.

[Ibanez]

How many Christians said that Black people were only 3/5's of a human?
How many Christians stated that it was God's will that white people should rule over black people?
How many Christians made the excuse that slavery was good for African's because it taught them Christianity?

Again, no room to point fingers

I must have missed the part where racial violence in America was a result of religious edict


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The Bible was used to justify it. That's probably the best comparison one can make.


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[Ibanez]

How many Christians said that Black people were only 3/5's of a human?
How many Christians stated that it was God's will that white people should rule over black people?
How many Christians made the excuse that slavery was good for African's because it taught them Christianity?

Again, no room to point fingers

I'm not Christian, but I'd say it's more like 1/5.

Racist douche


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[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Whoa! Slow your roll and wipe off the spittle with your ticorn hat, Mr. Town Crier!

1). I think pointing out islam's propensity for violence is legit.

2). Agreed

3). You and Sam have a tendency to confuse reason and an honest debate in almost EVERY instance with appeasement. Pat Tillman was corresponding with Chomsky while killing bad guys in Ahfganistan.

4)

Nope:
It's too late for you to agree with me
and then in two weeks go back to asking why we're so mean to the 1% of bad Muslims

We've passed that point long ago
You need to man up and own your opinion and quit wriggling backwards

To you I ask:
What progress do we make by appeasing the 99%..?
What progress do we make by dismissing the anonymous polling results of the Islamic world..?
What progress do we make when we shout down the likes of Sam Harris for even talking about Islam..?



I want to hear YOUR PLAN
How are your apologetics going to play out long term..?

when did Travelinchizzang67 show up?

I don't disagree with him, just wondering when someone pounded some manhood into this sucker of cocks. he must have gotten that extra shot of Testosterone this week.

[CAA Flagship]

[kalm]

Whoa! Slow your roll and wipe off the spittle with your ticorn hat, Mr. Town Crier!

1). I think pointing out islam's propensity for violence is legit.

2). Agreed

3). You and Sam have a tendency to confuse reason and an honest debate in almost EVERY instance with appeasement. Pat Tillman was corresponding with Chomsky while killing bad guys in Ahfganistan.

4)

Nope:
It's too late for you to agree with me
and then in two weeks go back to asking why we're so mean to the 1% of bad Muslims

We've passed that point long ago
You need to man up and own your opinion and quit wriggling backwards

To you I ask:
What progress do we make by appeasing the 99%..?
What progress do we make by dismissing the anonymous polling results of the Islamic world..?
What progress do we make when we shout down the likes of Sam Harris for even talking about Islam..?



I want to hear YOUR PLAN
How are your apologetics going to play out long term..?

1). So it's now 99% that are good? I thought it was 65% that supported Sharia? Not that I care. We should promote our own interests and professed ideals of liberty. Like I've said before... bomb them with porn and punk and quit arming the bad guys like SA. Ultimately, progress will have to come from within. Educating the women and all that. Unless we have the guts to kill them all.

2). See #1. And we shouldn't ignore what they are. Never suggested that.

3). Healthy (and honest...see many of your own posts in this thread) debate is typically a good thing. Perhaps, Sam isn't ready for that yet?

[kalm]

Nope:
It's too late for you to agree with me
and then in two weeks go back to asking why we're so mean to the 1% of bad Muslims

We've passed that point long ago
You need to man up and own your opinion and quit wriggling backwards

To you I ask:
What progress do we make by appeasing the 99%..?
What progress do we make by dismissing the anonymous polling results of the Islamic world..?
What progress do we make when we shout down the likes of Sam Harris for even talking about Islam..?



I want to hear YOUR PLAN
How are your apologetics going to play out long term..?

when did Travelinchizzang67 show up?

I don't disagree with him, just wondering when someone pounded some manhood into this sucker of cocks. he must have gotten that extra shot of Testosterone this week.

Oh GAWD...like he needs the encouragement...

[Chizzang]

Nope:
It's too late for you to agree with me
and then in two weeks go back to asking why we're so mean to the 1% of bad Muslims

We've passed that point long ago
You need to man up and own your opinion and quit wriggling backwards

To you I ask:
What progress do we make by appeasing the 99%..?
What progress do we make by dismissing the anonymous polling results of the Islamic world..?
What progress do we make when we shout down the likes of Sam Harris for even talking about Islam..?



I want to hear YOUR PLAN
How are your apologetics going to play out long term..?

1). So it's now 99% that are good? I thought it was 65% that supported Sharia? Not that I care. We should promote our own interests and professed ideals of liberty. Like I've said before... bomb them with porn and punk and quit arming the bad guys like SA. Ultimately, progress will have to come from within. Educating the women and all that. Unless we have the guts to kill them all.

2). See #1. And we shouldn't ignore what they are. Never suggested that.

3). Healthy (and honest...see many of your own posts in this thread) debate is typically a good thing. Perhaps, Sam isn't ready for that yet?

Ya... 99%
I see you don't even recognize your own panderism when its played back to you (fascinating)
Indeed never less than 65% of polled Muslim support global Sharia law... ponder that

and as I said we're past any point of agreement, I mean really... why pretend now?