The End of Liberalism

[YoUDeeMan]

kalm reaches back to 2006 to get material.


Nice try though...I bet a lot of Germans liked America back in 1939. And kalm's granddaddy was saying that Germans were not a threat...even provided a picture of a German kissing a picture of Chamberlain.

Millions of dead later...

[kalm]

Me too. I also kind of don't want to give them weapons and military support.

And yet you suppor....I give up. Kalm is wise beyond his years.

What do think I support?

[andy7171]

And yet you suppor....I give up. Kalm is wise beyond his years.

What do think I support?

Strategic Intervention by Air?

[ASUG8]

The different sects and tribes among the sand people have been fighting for hundreds of years and our intervention does nothing but inflame them even more vs. the US. Yank the funding and spend the money at home on improving our roads and infrastructure like the Chinese have done domestically. A little period of US nationalism might not be the worst thing we've done from a policy perspective.

[andy7171]

The different sects and tribes among the sand people have been fighting for hundreds of years and our intervention does nothing but inflame them even more vs. the US. Yank the funding and spend the money at home on improving our roads and infrastructure like the Chinese have done domestically. I little period of US nationalism might not be the worst thing we've done from a policy perspective.

One positive of all this, is making the regional nations stand up for themselves.

[Pwns]

What's more silly? The 2000s idea of turning a country of fanatical fundamentalists into a western-style democracy by bombing and intervention or the 2010s idea of trying to do it by handing out condoms and asking them nicely to not develop nuclear weapons and to let little girls go to school?

[ASUG8]

The different sects and tribes among the sand people have been fighting for hundreds of years and our intervention does nothing but inflame them even more vs. the US. Yank the funding and spend the money at home on improving our roads and infrastructure like the Chinese have done domestically. I little period of US nationalism might not be the worst thing we've done from a policy perspective.

One positive of all this, is making the regional nations stand up for themselves.

Yep - we've developed our own oil reserves now, so less dependence on the ME. In the meantime the Chinese have nearly cornered the market on rare earths without even firing a freakin' shot. I'd rather work out resource acquisition via diplomatic means than drone strikes, but as we know we have a military industrial complex to feed so I'm not optimistic it will change any time soon.

[kalm]

What do think I support?

Strategic Intervention by Air?

Oh. Did I say that?

I agree with G8 on getting out, but strat...er air strikes are still better than anything Harris or the conks are suggesting.

[Chizzang]

Again, more closed-minded butt hurt.

[houndawg]

KIlling the bad guys from the air, providing minimal support on the ground, and getting concessions from Iran without going to war.

It's not perfect, but it's an improvement.

So, for 75 years Iran has been prevented from having nuclear weapons, but under Obama's watch they're getting nuclear weapons but somehow WE'RE getting concessions FROM Iran?

yeah, we've been on to them since 1940.

[houndawg]

I'd like to see him contemplate the numbers of people killed in the name of officially atheist communist government. Believe me when I say that I am deeply concerned for the long term about Islam but Islam has a long way to go before it catches up with officially atheist communism in terms of numbers of people ruthlessly slaughtered. A LONG way to go.

I say that because he appears to be another one of those idiots...perhaps intelligent in many cases but still idiots...who think that if only we didn't have religion we'd have a more peaceful world. And they say that in spite of the obvious fact that the most prolific regimes in terms of slaughtering tens and maybe even hundreds of millions of people in the history of this planet were officially atheist regimes.

If he thinks all is going to be sweetness and light if ONLY religion were eliminated he's really kidding himself very badly.

Not even close. The tribal superstitions have a 4,000 year head start.

[Chizzang]

The different sects and tribes among the sand people have been fighting for hundreds of years and our intervention does nothing but inflame them even more vs. the US. Yank the funding and spend the money at home on improving our roads and infrastructure like the Chinese have done domestically. A little period of US nationalism might not be the worst thing we've done from a policy perspective.

This ^ might be "The new Hotness"

[houndawg]

strategic intervention like we're currently doing

"Strategic intervention" sounds good but what is the strategy?

Taking their oil.

[andy7171]

Strategic Intervention by Air?

Oh. Did I say that?

I agree with G8 on getting out, but strat...er air strikes are still better than anything Harris or the conks are suggesting.

You're right, going from pummeling these assholes into submission in just Iraq and Afghanistan to now spread all over the the northern and eastern coasts of Africa and almost all of the Arabian peninsula with multiple countries falling into anarchy is a great "plan". As long as we keep playing Air Force its all the more sortie victories we can claim. Never mind the atrocities going on on the ground.

[houndawg]

I'd like to see him contemplate the numbers of people killed in the name of officially atheist communist government. Believe me when I say that I am deeply concerned for the long term about Islam but Islam has a long way to go before it catches up with officially atheist communism in terms of numbers of people ruthlessly slaughtered. A LONG way to go.

I say that because he appears to be another one of those idiots...perhaps intelligent in many cases but still idiots...who think that if only we didn't have religion we'd have a more peaceful world. And they say that in spite of the obvious fact that the most prolific regimes in terms of slaughtering tens and maybe even hundreds of millions of people in the history of this planet were officially atheist regimes.

If he thinks all is going to be sweetness and light if ONLY religion were eliminated he's really kidding himself very badly.

I wish your mom and dad could have found a gentler way to let you down about santa claus and the tooth fairy.

[Grizalltheway]

Oh. Did I say that?

I agree with G8 on getting out, but strat...er air strikes are still better than anything Harris or the conks are suggesting.

You're right, going from pummeling these assholes into submission in just Iraq and Afghanistan to now spread all over the the northern and eastern coasts of Africa and almost all of the Arabian peninsula with multiple countries falling into anarchy is a great "plan". As long as we keep playing Air Force its all the more sortie victories we can claim. Never mind the atrocities going on on the ground.

Well, you better get your fat ass down to the recruitment center. If we're going to be putting boots on the ground in all of these shit holes, we're gonna have to raise the enlistment age to about 60.

[andy7171]

You're right, going from pummeling these assholes into submission in just Iraq and Afghanistan to now spread all over the the northern and eastern coasts of Africa and almost all of the Arabian peninsula with multiple countries falling into anarchy is a great "plan". As long as we keep playing Air Force its all the more sortie victories we can claim. Never mind the atrocities going on on the ground.

Well, you better get your fat ass down to the recruitment center. If we're going to be putting boots on the ground in all of these shit holes, we're gonna have to raise the enlistment age to about 60.

My point being there were boots on the ground beating them down well enough, rather than all over the place.

[SDHornet]

The different sects and tribes among the sand people have been fighting for hundreds of years and our intervention does nothing but inflame them even more vs. the US. Yank the funding and spend the money at home on improving our roads and infrastructure like the Chinese have done domestically. A little period of US nationalism might not be the worst thing we've done from a policy perspective.

This ^ might be "The new Hotness"

Yup. ASU knocked it outta the park again.

[Chizzang]

This ^ might be "The new Hotness"

Yup. ASU knocked it outta the park again.

It's a true statement that he says and I agree...
But it'll NEVER happen - NEVER
we've got too much money tied up in weaponry and sustained sales and manufacturing of these items to pull back and spend that money on infrastructure
and we can't quit meddling about and supporting Israel

We've given up on "infrastructure vs. Weaponry" along time ago... (Hint: Weaponry won)
they are both legitimate was to build an economy
but an "about face" can't happen once you've sailed that ship

[kalm]

Again, more closed-minded butt hurt.

Oh yeah? Well I don't think you know what that meme means!

[kalm]

Yup. ASU knocked it outta the park again.

It's a true statement that he says and I agree...
But it'll NEVER happen - NEVER
we've got too much money tied up in weaponry and sustained sales and manufacturing of these items to pull back and spend that money on infrastructure
and we can't quit meddling about and supporting Israel

We've given up on "infrastructure vs. Weaponry" along time ago... (Hint: Weaponry won)
they are both legitimate was to build an economy
but an "about face" can't happen once you've sailed that ship

Right, so what's Sam's solution to keep us safe?

[Chizzang]

It's a true statement that he says and I agree...
But it'll NEVER happen - NEVER
we've got too much money tied up in weaponry and sustained sales and manufacturing of these items to pull back and spend that money on infrastructure
and we can't quit meddling about and supporting Israel

We've given up on "infrastructure vs. Weaponry" along time ago... (Hint: Weaponry won)
they are both legitimate ways to build an economy
but an "about face" can't happen once you've sailed that ship

Right, so what's Sam's solution to keep us safe?

Me thinks you might be the one that is actually "butt hurt"

[SDHornet]

Yup. ASU knocked it outta the park again.

It's a true statement that he says and I agree...
But it'll NEVER happen - NEVER
we've got too much money tied up in weaponry and sustained sales and manufacturing of these items to pull back and spend that money on infrastructure
and we can't quit meddling about and supporting Israel

We've given up on "infrastructure vs. Weaponry" along time ago... (Hint: Weaponry won)
they are both legitimate was to build an economy
but an "about face" can't happen once you've sailed that ship

No arguments here. We also had a great opportunity to invest in infrastructure 7 years ago, too bad the government settled on handouts instead.

[SeattleGriz]

I like how Sam describes liberals pretty much how the conks view them, and he is called insightful! Hilarious.

[YoUDeeMan]

OK, strike strategic.

We have flown hundreds if not 1000's of missions against IS since last summer. We are advising and supporting Iraqi troops on the ground in a limited capacity.

How would you prefer we deal with it?

Since you ignored my Germany connection, I'll happily note that you apparently haven't the opportunity to examine how our air campaign worked out in Libya.

The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.

No evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.

But in the months before, the Obama administration clearly was worried about the consequences of its hidden hand in helping arm Libyan militants, concerns that have not previously been reported. The weapons and money from Qatar strengthened militant groups in Libya, allowing them to become a destabilizing force since the fall of the Qaddafi government.

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It was shortly after the 2011 NATO military campaign started against then-Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, however, that rumors began to surface that members of the rebel forces were actually linked to Al Qaeda, retired Rear Adm. Chuck Kubic told TheBlaze. Kubic is a member of the Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi, a group comprised mainly of retired military officials and former intelligence officers aimed at discovering the truth of what happened the night of the attacks.

“Information started to surface in other media about the terrorist element that was within the rebels and about how we had to be very, very careful about who we were supporting,” said Kubic, who has spent a significant time in Libya before and after the overthrow of Gadhafi. ”Even [former NATO top commander] Adm. [James] Stavridis went before the Congress and alluded to an intelligence summary that he had received that had indications … of rebels who were actually terrorists.”

Stravridis told the Senate on March 29, 2011: “We are examining very closely the content, composition, the personalities, who are the leaders of these opposition forces … we have seen flickers in the intelligence of potential Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, we’ve seen different things.”

Kubic said that as Stravridis gave his testimony, the Obama administration in “an unbelievable series of days – the president signs a decision, directive that says we should both support and arm the Libyan rebels. Now, if I knew that these rebels were terrorists and had the links, he certainly had to know that.”

Kubic also recalled how prior to the NATO airstrikes in the country, Gadhafi “expressed his willingness to abdicate shortly after the beginning of the 2011 Libyan revolt, but the U.S. ignored his calls for a truce, which led to extensive loss of life, chaos and detrimental outcomes for U.S. national security objectives across the region.”

Only days later, NATO would attack, with the U.S. in a primary role. Kubic said that was the beginning of the chaos that would eventually lead to the deaths of Stevens, State Department information officer Sean Smith and former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.

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Yup...Obama's decision to take out Quadhuffy and Assad has paid out bonuses.

And, Obama's decision to take out the Yemen rebels (yes, we are supporting those air strikes, and you know it), who support someone who is against the extremists, but who is not Saudi friendly, is also going to work out just swell.