Dear Ayatollah Ali Khomeini

[Baldy]

What was y'all's take on Boehner inviting and hosting Netanyahu. Surely y'all think it completely within the confines of the Constitution?





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No.

Congress has no executive powers and therefore it is really just to me.

If you weren't always wearing your liberal glasses you'd see the distinction. Maybe our Consituttional scholar President would too. In fact.... kind of makes you wonder why the WH didn't raise Cain on those grounds to begin with?

You have to admire greaseboy and the progtards in a way, tho.
They're digging deep into the justification well and are going to carry Obama's water all the way to the end.

[Skjellyfetti]

The transaction of business with foreign nations is executive all together... Exceptions are to be strictly construed."

The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations.

He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it.

[Grizalltheway]

No.

Congress has no executive powers and therefore it is really just to me.

If you weren't always wearing your liberal glasses you'd see the distinction. Maybe our Consituttional scholar President would too. In fact.... kind of makes you wonder why the WH didn't raise Cain on those grounds to begin with?

You have to admire greaseboy and the progtards in a way, tho.
They're digging deep into the justification well and are going to carry Obama's water all the way to the end.

And you and the rest of the conk cry babies will continue to wring your hands and cry "unconstitutional!!!!1" (when it's actually nothing of the sort) because supposedly feckless and wimpy Obama doesn't care what you think.

Senate's role is to give the president its consent for a treaty -- and to recognize that ratifying it is the president's choice.

[SDHornet]

All the flailing by the left in this thread is pretty damn entertaining.

[kalm]

All the flailing by the left in this thread is pretty damn entertaining.

You've got to be kidding...

[Baldy]

You have to admire greaseboy and the progtards in a way, tho.
They're digging deep into the justification well and are going to carry Obama's water all the way to the end.

And you and the rest of the conk cry babies will continue to wring your hands and cry "unconstitutional!!!!1" (when it's actually nothing of the sort) because supposedly feckless and wimpy Obama doesn't care what you think.

Senate's role is to give the president its consent for a treaty -- and to recognize that ratifying it is the president's choice.

It's called the Advice and Consent Clause for a reason.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States...
--Article II Section 2

Treaties are treated in the same way as Cabinet officials, Ambassadors and Supreme Court Justices. Their appointment means nothing unless the Senate gives it's approval. Obama can give the Ayatollah anything if he wants. Unless the Senate approves, it's just like your participation certificate in rec league junior soccer, a worthless piece of paper.

[GannonFan]

Typical politics today, both sides are wrong as they either try to be, or just are, as polarizing as possible.

The Republicans misstepped when they actually contacted a foreign government to remind them what they already knew about our Constitutional system (I was fine with Netanhayu addressing Congress, per se, no biggie there), and the President missteps when he ignores Congress when he goes about the Iran question. Talking and consulting with one another, especially behind the scenes, would be a good thing, but I think something that is probably too late in coming in this Presidency. I hope Hillary or Jeb or Scott, or Rand will do better in the next Presidential term.

[Wedgebuster]

Yeah, I can see why all the Republican Senators who are candidates want to act like they are the POTUS.

[Skjellyfetti]

Talking and consulting with one another, especially behind the scenes, would be a good thing

Huh?

You know this happens, right?


Just in the past few months:

CLOSED/TS/SCI: Update on Iran Nuclear Negotiations
BRIEFERS:

Senior Official
U.S. Department of State
Washington, DC

Senior Official
Office of the Director of National Intelligence
Washington, DC

Senior Official
Department of Energy
Washington, DC

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/021015a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iran Nuclear Negotiations: Status of Talks

The Honorable Antony J. Blinken
Deputy Secretary Of State
U.S. Department of State
Washington , DC

The Honorable David S. Cohen
Under Secretary For Terrorism And Financial Intelligence
U.S. Department of Treasury
Washington , DC

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/ ... f-congress" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CLOSED/TS/SCI: Update on Iran Nuclear Negotiations

Senior Official
U.S. Department of State
Washington , DC
Senior Official
Office of the Director of National Intelligence
Washington , DC

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/ ... gotiations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Granted, we have no idea what was said in most of these meetings because they're classified. But, don't act like talks and discussions aren't happening even behind close doors.

[GannonFan]

Talking and consulting with one another, especially behind the scenes, would be a good thing

Huh?

You know this happens, right?


Just in the past few months:

CLOSED/TS/SCI: Update on Iran Nuclear Negotiations
BRIEFERS:

Senior Official
U.S. Department of State
Washington, DC

Senior Official
Office of the Director of National Intelligence
Washington, DC

Senior Official
Department of Energy
Washington, DC

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/021015a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iran Nuclear Negotiations: Status of Talks

The Honorable Antony J. Blinken
Deputy Secretary Of State
U.S. Department of State
Washington , DC

The Honorable David S. Cohen
Under Secretary For Terrorism And Financial Intelligence
U.S. Department of Treasury
Washington , DC

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/ ... f-congress" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CLOSED/TS/SCI: Update on Iran Nuclear Negotiations

Senior Official
U.S. Department of State
Washington , DC
Senior Official
Office of the Director of National Intelligence
Washington , DC

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/ ... gotiations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Granted, we have no idea what was said in most of these meetings because they're classified. But, don't act like talks and discussions aren't happening even behind close doors.

But what gets talked about? Heck, I recall the Democrats in Congress being informed in similar, and more, meetings like this in the runup to the Iraq War, as well as on the domestic spying fiasco, and yet they claimed afterwards to have no idea what was going on.

I'd like to think that there's a lot of substance being discussed, but the public posturing by both Congress and the President would lead me to believe there's less than what would be considered ideal.

[Ibanez]

All 47 should be arrested for treason

Jon, you've got to get a grip. Treason? For fucks sake.

[Skjellyfetti]

But what gets talked about? Heck, I recall the Democrats in Congress being informed in similar, and more, meetings like this in the runup to the Iraq War, as well as on the domestic spying fiasco, and yet they claimed afterwards to have no idea what was going on.

Yes, I know that we have no idea what is said in most of these meetings as they're classified.

But, you said that it would be beneficial to have talks... especially... behind close doors. We do have talks behind closed doors. So, which is it?

[SuperHornet]

All 47 should be arrested for treason

The "new treason" - Not giving Obama what he wants.

If this is treason, then Ted Kennedy should have been executed for secretly asking the Soviets to remove Reagan....


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[SuperHornet]

Another example of selective patriotism Treason is too harsh, however, they should loo their sets in congress for this shit. ALL of the attacks from the right against the President have failed. This one will fail too.

Darn those republicans disagreeing with our infallible president.

It drives me bonkers how they whined up and down about W during his entire Presidency, but as soon as that incompetent Obama won, their attitude became, "Shut up, we won!"

They just love to have their cake and eat it, too....

[bluehenbillk]

Who's saying Iran will have a bomb in 10 years or less? Dick Cheney? Netanhayu? Yep, they both the info stone cold when it came to Iraq

[Grizalltheway]

Who's saying Iran will have a bomb in 10 years or less? Dick Cheney? Netanhayu? Yep, they both the info stone cold when it came to Iraq

Lockheed and Boeing.

[Skjellyfetti]

Who's saying Iran will have a bomb in 10 years or less? Dick Cheney? Netanhayu? Yep, they both the info stone cold when it came to Iraq

1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."

1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious militancy."

1992: a task force of the House Republican Research Committee claimed that there was a "98 percent certainty that Iran already had all (or virtually all) of the components required for two or three operational nuclear weapons."

1995: In his 1995 book, “Fighting Terrorism,” Netanyahu once again asserted that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in “three to five years,” apparently forgetting about the expiration of his old deadline.

1998: former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld reports to Congress that Iran could build an intercontinental ballistic missile – one that could hit the US – within five years. The CIA gave a timeframe of 12 years.

A 2009 U.S. State Department diplomatic cable released by Wikileaks described then-prime ministerial candidate Netanyahu informing a visiting Congressional delegation that Iran was “probably one or two years away” from developing weapons capability. Another cable later the same year showed Netanyahu, now back in office as prime minister, telling a separate delegation of American politicians in Jerusalem that “Iran has the capability now to make one bomb,” adding that alternatively, “they could wait and make several bombs in a year or two.”

In 2012 Netanyahu said in closed talks reported by Israeli media that Iran is just “a few months away” from attaining nuclear capabilities. Later that same year, he gave a widely-mocked address at the United Nations in which he alleged that Iran would have the ability to construct a weapon within roughly one year, while using a printout of a cartoon bomb to illustrate his point.

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[Wedgebuster]

F.E.A.R., that is False Evidence Appearing Real.

Fear is the only front put up by the GOP these days since the economy argument is down the drain. Oh my, India has the bomb, oh my, Pakistan has the bomb, oh my, N. Korea has the bomb and is making missiles out of paper towel tubes and can now destroy us in one fell stroke, oh my, the USSR developed the bomb and we have to execute the Rosenbergs, oh my, Iran might make a bomb and use one of N. Korea's paper towel missiles to blow up the joos, or even us with one fell swoop....

And the faux news crowd hangs on every word, especially when we have a Democrat in the White House..

Partisan powered paranoia, need to be in a constant state of war with any and every country that does not agree with American policies, a need to ignore a sitting POTUS for political reasons shrouded in piles of fear, and again, 47% of us swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Fact: The United States of America is the only country in history to use nuclear weapons on another country, and that country did not have nuclear weapons.

Fact: Why do you Faux News warriors suppose there has not been any nuclear weapons used by any country against any other nuclear power???

M.A.D, that is why. You live by the bomb, you will die by the bomb. Suicide committed willingly on a nations self....

The United States of America has the most modern, most dependable, and most usable nuclear stockpile in the world, bar none. They are deployed all around the world, and they can be used in a matter of minutes on anybody in the world, and they have no defense from it..

Israel has hundreds and maybe a thousand usable nuclear devices that can also be deployed accurately in a matter of minutes, and I suspect they are strikingly similar to what we have developed.

Keep shitting your pants kids, keep watching politically crafted propaganda that keeps you sufficiently paranoid, and scared. Hell, go vote for some POTUS candidate that doesn't even believe in evolution as long as they want to start another war, and send all the mexicans back across the border as soon as they get in office.

Then bitch, bellyache, piss and moan when a Democrat kicks them out of office again, and goes about repairing all the damage done, politically, economically, and otherwise, because you are butthurt again for following another retard into the White House..

Superhornet!!!

[bulldog10jw]

F.E.A.R., that is False Evidence Appearing Real.

Fear is the only front put up by the GOP these days since the economy argument is down the drain. Oh my, India has the bomb, oh my, Pakistan has the bomb, oh my, N. Korea has the bomb and is making missiles out of paper towel tubes and can now destroy us in one fell stroke, oh my, the USSR developed the bomb and we have to execute the Rosenbergs, oh my, Iran might make a bomb and use one of N. Korea's paper towel missiles to blow up the joos, or even us with one fell swoop....

And the faux news crowd hangs on every word, especially when we have a Democrat in the White House..

Partisan powered paranoia, need to be in a constant state of war with any and every country that does not agree with American policies, a need to ignore a sitting POTUS for political reasons shrouded in piles of fear, and again, 47% of us swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Fact: The United States of America is the only country in history to use nuclear weapons on another country, and that country did not have nuclear weapons.

Fact: Why do you Faux News warriors suppose there has not been any nuclear weapons used by any country against any other nuclear power???

M.A.D, that is why. You live by the bomb, you will die by the bomb. Suicide committed willingly on a nations self....

The United States of America has the most modern, most dependable, and most usable nuclear stockpile in the world, bar none. They are deployed all around the world, and they can be used in a matter of minutes on anybody in the world, and they have no defense from it..

Israel has hundreds and maybe a thousand usable nuclear devices that can also be deployed accurately in a matter of minutes, and I suspect they are strikingly similar to what we have developed.

Keep shitting your pants kids, keep watching politically crafted propaganda that keeps you sufficiently paranoid, and scared. Hell, go vote for some POTUS candidate that doesn't even believe in evolution as long as they want to start another war, and send all the mexicans back across the border as soon as they get in office.

Then bitch, bellyache, piss and moan when a Democrat kicks them out of office again, and goes about repairing all the damage done, politically, economically, and otherwise, because you are butthurt again for following another retard into the White House..

Superhornet!!!

WOW!!! Talk about a retard.

[travelinman67]

F.E.A.R., that is False Evidence Appearing Real.

Fear is the only front put up by the GOP these days since the economy argument is down the drain. Oh my, India has the bomb, oh my, Pakistan has the bomb, oh my, N. Korea has the bomb and is making missiles out of paper towel tubes and can now destroy us in one fell stroke, oh my, the USSR developed the bomb and we have to execute the Rosenbergs, oh my, Iran might make a bomb and use one of N. Korea's paper towel missiles to blow up the joos, or even us with one fell swoop....

And the faux news crowd hangs on every word, especially when we have a Democrat in the White House..

Partisan powered paranoia, need to be in a constant state of war with any and every country that does not agree with American policies, a need to ignore a sitting POTUS for political reasons shrouded in piles of fear, and again, 47% of us swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Fact: The United States of America is the only country in history to use nuclear weapons on another country, and that country did not have nuclear weapons.

Fact: Why do you Faux News warriors suppose there has not been any nuclear weapons used by any country against any other nuclear power???

M.A.D, that is why. You live by the bomb, you will die by the bomb. Suicide committed willingly on a nations self....

The United States of America has the most modern, most dependable, and most usable nuclear stockpile in the world, bar none. They are deployed all around the world, and they can be used in a matter of minutes on anybody in the world, and they have no defense from it..

Israel has hundreds and maybe a thousand usable nuclear devices that can also be deployed accurately in a matter of minutes, and I suspect they are strikingly similar to what we have developed.

Keep shitting your pants kids, keep watching politically crafted propaganda that keeps you sufficiently paranoid, and scared. Hell, go vote for some POTUS candidate that doesn't even believe in evolution as long as they want to start another war, and send all the mexicans back across the border as soon as they get in office.

Then bitch, bellyache, piss and moan when a Democrat kicks them out of office again, and goes about repairing all the damage done, politically, economically, and otherwise, because you are butthurt again for following another retard into the White House..

Superhornet!!!

WOW!!! Talk about a retard.

My exact thoughts.

Wedgie, you need help.

[Skjellyfetti]

TEHRAN (The Borowitz Report)—Stating that “their continuing hostilities are a threat to world peace,” Iran has offered to mediate talks between congressional Republicans and President Obama.

Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, made the offer one day after Iran received what he called a “worrisome letter” from Republican leaders, which suggested to him that “the relationship between Republicans and Obama has deteriorated dangerously.”



“Tensions between these two historic enemies have been high in recent years, but we believe they are now at a boiling point,” Khamenei said. “As a result, Iran feels it must offer itself as a peacemaker.”

He said that his nation was the “logical choice” to jumpstart negotiations between Obama and the Republicans because “it has become clear that both sides currently talk more to Iran than to each other.”

He invited Obama and the Republicans to meet in Tehran to hash out their differences and called on world powers to force the two bitter foes to the bargaining table, adding, “It is time to stop the madness.”

Hours after Iran made its offer, President Obama said that he was willing to meet with his congressional adversaries under the auspices of Tehran, but questioned whether “any deal reached with Republicans is worth the paper it’s written on.”

For their part, the Republicans said they would only agree to talks if there were no preconditions, such as recognizing President Obama’s existence.

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[dbackjon]

All 47 should be arrested for treason

jon, why do you hate America? Why do you despise the Constitution so much???

I love this country. That is why I vote Democratic.


Why do you hate America and the Constitution?

[dbackjon]

All the flailing by the left in this thread is pretty damn entertaining.

What flailing?

You mean actually quoting the constitution, and Jefferson, etc?


The only flailing, and failing, is from the Conktards

[CitadelGrad]

F.E.A.R., that is False Evidence Appearing Real.

Fear is the only front put up by the GOP these days since the economy argument is down the drain. Oh my, India has the bomb, oh my, Pakistan has the bomb, oh my, N. Korea has the bomb and is making missiles out of paper towel tubes and can now destroy us in one fell stroke, oh my, the USSR developed the bomb and we have to execute the Rosenbergs, oh my, Iran might make a bomb and use one of N. Korea's paper towel missiles to blow up the joos, or even us with one fell swoop....

And the faux news crowd hangs on every word, especially when we have a Democrat in the White House..

Partisan powered paranoia, need to be in a constant state of war with any and every country that does not agree with American policies, a need to ignore a sitting POTUS for political reasons shrouded in piles of fear, and again, 47% of us swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

Fact: The United States of America is the only country in history to use nuclear weapons on another country, and that country did not have nuclear weapons.

Fact: Why do you Faux News warriors suppose there has not been any nuclear weapons used by any country against any other nuclear power???

M.A.D, that is why. You live by the bomb, you will die by the bomb. Suicide committed willingly on a nations self....

The United States of America has the most modern, most dependable, and most usable nuclear stockpile in the world, bar none. They are deployed all around the world, and they can be used in a matter of minutes on anybody in the world, and they have no defense from it..

Israel has hundreds and maybe a thousand usable nuclear devices that can also be deployed accurately in a matter of minutes, and I suspect they are strikingly similar to what we have developed.

Keep shitting your pants kids, keep watching politically crafted propaganda that keeps you sufficiently paranoid, and scared. Hell, go vote for some POTUS candidate that doesn't even believe in evolution as long as they want to start another war, and send all the mexicans back across the border as soon as they get in office.

Then bitch, bellyache, piss and moan when a Democrat kicks them out of office again, and goes about repairing all the damage done, politically, economically, and otherwise, because you are butthurt again for following another retard into the White House..

Superhornet!!!

WOW!!! Talk about a retard.

It takes something or someone truly "special" to coax bulldog10jw into making an appearance. There is no question Wedgie is that special kind of "special."

[GannonFan]

All the flailing by the left in this thread is pretty damn entertaining.

What flailing?

You mean actually quoting the constitution, and Jefferson, etc?


The only flailing, and failing, is from the Conktards

Well, there's been buffoonery from both sides, but you did declare treason - not your shining moment.