ISIS

[D1B]

Glad to hear some of you are willing to murder my family.

Your family, who I'm assuming are moderates, are a huge part of the problem.

[kalm]

Glad to hear some of you are willing to murder my family.

Your family, who I'm assuming are moderates, are a huge part of the problem.

Do you know them?

[D1B]

Your family, who I'm assuming are moderates, are a huge part of the problem.

Do you know them?

No. Made an assumption. Here it is again.

I'm assuming

[kalm]

Do you know them?

No. Made an assumption. Here it is again.

I'm assuming

Assuming they're moderates, do you know who they support?

[D1B]

No. Made an assumption. Here it is again.

Assuming they're moderates, do you know who they support?

No. But they don't support Isis/terrorists.

[kalm]

Assuming they're moderates, do you know who they support?

No. But they don't support Isis/terrorists.

Why are they a huge part of the problem?

[D1B]

No. But they don't support Isis/terrorists.

Why are they a huge part of the problem?

They're silent.

[kalm]

Why are they a huge part of the problem?

They're silent.

Do you know them?

[D1B]

They're silent.

Do you know them?

No. They're group though is silent.

[kalm]

Do you know them?

No. They're group though is silent.

Really? I can buy not doing enough, but every time a terrorist atrocity occurs, moderate muslim groups are among the first to denounce it and have been, going back to 9/11. As we speak, Egyptian and Jordanian air forces are plotting attacks on ISIS.

[Baldy]

No. They're group though is silent.

Really? I can buy not doing enough, but every time a terrorist atrocity occurs, moderate muslim groups are among the first to denounce it and have been, going back to 9/11. As we speak, Egyptian and Jordanian air forces are plotting attacks on ISIS.

Why?

[Baldy]

Really? I can buy not doing enough, but every time a terrorist atrocity occurs, moderate muslim groups are among the first to denounce it and have been, going back to 9/11. As we speak, Egyptian and Jordanian air forces are plotting attacks on ISIS.

Why?

Better yet.

Why now?

[D1B]

No. They're group though is silent.

Really? I can buy not doing enough, but every time a terrorist atrocity occurs, moderate muslim groups are among the first to denounce it and have been, going back to 9/11. As we speak, Egyptian and Jordanian air forces are plotting attacks on ISIS.

They're not doing enough. They're still relatively silent.

[kalm]

Why?

Better yet.

Why now?

Well, we were late getting into two world wars...

[Ivytalk]

Really? I can buy not doing enough, but every time a terrorist atrocity occurs, moderate muslim groups are among the first to denounce it and have been, going back to 9/11. As we speak, Egyptian and Jordanian air forces are plotting attacks on ISIS.

They're not doing enough. They're still relatively silent.

This is one of the 2% of the time that I agree with a D1B political post.

[kalm]

They're not doing enough. They're still relatively silent.

This is one of the 2% of the time that I agree with a D1B political post.

You're also agreeing with me. How does that make you feel?

[Baldy]

Better yet.

Why now?

Well, we were late getting into two world wars...

We?

Egypt and Jordan were the countries highlighted.

[Ivytalk]

This is one of the 2% of the time that I agree with a D1B political post.

You're also agreeing with me. How does that make you feel?

All warm and runny inside!

[houndawg]

In other words, ISIS wants a Western ground force to invade Syria, as that will confirm the prophecy about Dabiq.

Which is why the West ought to go ahead and give them what they want and crush them. That's what would happen if the West...or even the US alone...went ahead and did it and that wouldn't fit in with their prophecy.

I've heard a couple of historians talking in very different venues...the Sean Hannity Radio Show and Chris Mathews Hardball...saying what I already knew. What these people are doing is basically consistent with Islam as it was originally established. It's how Islam spread initially. They're just acting like Muslims did early on.

The guy on Hannity said something I completely agree with. He said we need to just go ahead and crush them. And, he said, if they come back in five years we need to crush them again.

That's the way it works. This stuff of thinking we can do some stuff for some short time frame and end it all forever just isn't reality. This is a problem like termites or cockroaches. Whenever it shows up, exterminate. But the fact that you exterminate and suppress the problem for a while doesn't mean you're never going to have to do it again. At some point the Orkin man is going to have to go into action again.

And, no, it's not going to go away if we improve economic conditions, etc. That's not what the problem is in this case.

Of course we could go with the "final solution" with respect to Islam in general. That would solve the problem for those of us who aren't Muslims. It would work too. Once we killed all Muslims it'd be very unlikely that the problem would re-surface to a significant degree. But that'll never happen.

But you have to understand that Islam really does call for what ISIS is doing. THEY are the ones following the true faith. The "moderates" are like Episcopalians in the Christian Religion...trying to balance secular views with religious belief. When you're seeing ISIS you're seeing what Islam really is. It's not a "perversion" of a "great and peaceful religion."

That doesn't go far enough. The only way to be sure the infection doesn't return is to get rid of all the followers of all of the Abrahamic superstitions. Those are the nasty ones the planet would be better off without.

[D1B]

Which is why the West ought to go ahead and give them what they want and crush them. That's what would happen if the West...or even the US alone...went ahead and did it and that wouldn't fit in with their prophecy.

I've heard a couple of historians talking in very different venues...the Sean Hannity Radio Show and Chris Mathews Hardball...saying what I already knew. What these people are doing is basically consistent with Islam as it was originally established. It's how Islam spread initially. They're just acting like Muslims did early on.

The guy on Hannity said something I completely agree with. He said we need to just go ahead and crush them. And, he said, if they come back in five years we need to crush them again.

That's the way it works. This stuff of thinking we can do some stuff for some short time frame and end it all forever just isn't reality. This is a problem like termites or cockroaches. Whenever it shows up, exterminate. But the fact that you exterminate and suppress the problem for a while doesn't mean you're never going to have to do it again. At some point the Orkin man is going to have to go into action again.

And, no, it's not going to go away if we improve economic conditions, etc. That's not what the problem is in this case.

Of course we could go with the "final solution" with respect to Islam in general. That would solve the problem for those of us who aren't Muslims. It would work too. Once we killed all Muslims it'd be very unlikely that the problem would re-surface to a significant degree. But that'll never happen.

But you have to understand that Islam really does call for what ISIS is doing. THEY are the ones following the true faith. The "moderates" are like Episcopalians in the Christian Religion...trying to balance secular views with religious belief. When you're seeing ISIS you're seeing what Islam really is. It's not a "perversion" of a "great and peaceful religion."

That doesn't go far enough. The only way to be sure the infection doesn't return is to get rid of all the followers of all of the Abrahamic superstitions. Those are the nasty ones the planet would be better off without.

Good call. However, I would consider keeping the Jews.

[Ibanez]

Better yet.

Why now?

Well, we were late getting into two world wars...

Eh. WW1 yeah. But WW2, we got involved , militarily, 2 yrs 3 mo after Poland was invaded.

[D1B]

Well, we were late getting into two world wars...

Eh. WW1 yeah. But WW2, we got involved , militarily, 2 yrs 3 mo after Poland was invaded.

We should not have been involved in WW1, IMO.

[Brock Landers]

Properly contained, the Islamic State is likely to be its own undoing. No country is its ally, and its ideology ensures that this will remain the case. The land it controls, while expansive, is mostly uninhabited and poor. As it stagnates or slowly shrinks, its claim that it is the engine of God’s will and the agent of apocalypse will weaken, and fewer believers will arrive. And as more reports of misery within it leak out, radical Islamist movements elsewhere will be discredited

Nothing they are doing is sustainable

[houndawg]

Properly contained, the Islamic State is likely to be its own undoing. No country is its ally, and its ideology ensures that this will remain the case. The land it controls, while expansive, is mostly uninhabited and poor. As it stagnates or slowly shrinks, its claim that it is the engine of God’s will and the agent of apocalypse will weaken, and fewer believers will arrive. And as more reports of misery within it leak out, radical Islamist movements elsewhere will be discredited

Nothing they are doing is sustainable

We need to extract some arms profit from this situation before the opportunity passes.

[JohnStOnge]

Somewhat agreed with him until he brought up the christian propaganda. Christians, historically, have been worse and preach intolerance just as vile, just read the bible or listen to a republican politician.

This is what I'm talking about:

Yes, Christians have done violent things. But the point is that if you actually follow the Bible literally according to how the structure of Christianity is designed you're not going to be violent. The structure is such that there are Old and New Testaments. And the New Testament rules are defined by what the Jesus character said i the Gospels and what his disciples said in the other books of the New Testament.

It's pacifist. In fact, my big concern about what would happen if people really followed the instructions of the Jesus character we would not defend ourselves at all. We wouldn't even have a military.

Islam is different. There may be contradictory messages in the Koran but there is NO doubt that that there are instructions to be violent. Just do a Google search on "violent quotes in the Koran."

You could legitimately say that what Christians were doing during the Inquisition was a perversion of Christianity. But what ISIS is doing now is NOT a perversion of Islam. THEY are not the ones "incorrectly" following the instructions. The ones who are trying to fit in by trying to distance themselves form them are.