The Parasitic 47%

[Baldy]

If you wanna play that game, corporate taxes used to count for 0% of receipts as well. Not sure what you're tying to say since infrastructure (you know...highways, roads, bridges, and all that shit) are paid through motor fuel taxes and public education is paid for through local ad-valorem taxes. Instead of chasing unicorns,take away something that actually exists. Corporations are people, so take away their citizenship. Amirite?

And it took several months to travel across the country too.

You may not like how the taxes are raised and there are probably better more direct examples, but like it or not, the federal government helps fund infrastructure and education. In fact 41.1% of Georgia's state budget comes from the Feds.

I also like how these low-life takers get to use our federal court system for free.

It's the federal government's job to fund infrastructure. The fact is federal money makes up 28.5% of the Georgia budget, and the vast majority of that money is to pay for federal mandates for social services, health, housing, education etc. The remaining federal funds go towards infrastructure.

[JohnStOnge]

It gets better...
Boeing is hell bent on getting even more money back from King County Seattle Metro
Even though King county pays Boeing a staggering amount already

Washington state is prepared to give Boeing Corp the largest tax incentive in U.S. History
$8.7 Billion which amounts to a net negative where the state PAYS BOEING

Like so many have said:
Call their bluff and let them leave and wish them well (good luck S.C. be careful what you wish for)

Just kind of a random thought: I've read stuff about how Boeing has a much bigger positive impact on Washington's economy than the Seattle Seahawks do. MUCH bigger.

Actually I went ahead and looked it up again. Here it is:

https://www.washington.edu/alumni/colum ... game2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looking at new money only, the economic impact of teams such as the Seahawks and the Mariners begins to shrink. In 1995, the football team's out-of-state revenue generated $66.7 million in local economic activity. The impact of that money amounted to 1,388 jobs in King County. The Mariners' out-of-state funds generated only $42.9 million and 427 jobs according to a 1993 study Beyers and Conway did for the team.

"Compare this to Boeing, a corporation with 99 percent of its impact in new money," says Beyers. "It's new money generates $25 billion in direct economic activity. The scale is totally different."

Here's the thing: Successful large corporations like Boeing generate lots of tax revenue even if you're not butt-fuck*ng them directly through "corporate taxes." Comparing something like giving Boeing a tax break to something like giving what is basically charity to the "47%" who are sucking off the society is absurd.

[kalm]

It gets better...
Boeing is hell bent on getting even more money back from King County Seattle Metro
Even though King county pays Boeing a staggering amount already

Washington state is prepared to give Boeing Corp the largest tax incentive in U.S. History
$8.7 Billion which amounts to a net negative where the state PAYS BOEING

Like so many have said:
Call their bluff and let them leave and wish them well (good luck S.C. be careful what you wish for)

Just kind of a random thought: I've read stuff about how Boeing has a much bigger positive impact on Washington's economy than the Seattle Seahawks do. MUCH bigger.

Actually I went ahead and looked it up again. Here it is:

https://www.washington.edu/alumni/colum ... game2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Looking at new money only, the economic impact of teams such as the Seahawks and the Mariners begins to shrink. In 1995, the football team's out-of-state revenue generated $66.7 million in local economic activity. The impact of that money amounted to 1,388 jobs in King County. The Mariners' out-of-state funds generated only $42.9 million and 427 jobs according to a 1993 study Beyers and Conway did for the team.

"Compare this to Boeing, a corporation with 99 percent of its impact in new money," says Beyers. "It's new money generates $25 billion in direct economic activity. The scale is totally different."

Here's the thing: Successful large corporations like Boeing generate lots of tax revenue even if you're not butt-fuck*ng them directly through "corporate taxes." Comparing something like giving Boeing a tax break to something like giving what is basically charity to the "47%" who are sucking off the society is absurd.

What about the small businesses who employ more people and bring in tons of money to the state coffers? You don't see them freeloading like those parasites at Boeing.

[JohnStOnge]

What about the small businesses who employ more people and bring in tons of money to the state coffers?

Cutting taxes on small businesses would be great. In fact, why tax businesses per se at all? Just tax individual income. The point of a business is to make money for people. Tax the people.

Right now we have a situation in which corporations exist to make money. They tax the corporations then they also tax the incomes of the people who make incomes off the corporations. It's double taxation. If it were up to me I'd eliminate corporate taxes entirely.

Of course I'd also eliminate the income tax and go to the greatest extent possible to user fees where the people who utilize a particular item or service provided by government would pay for it. Like one clear cut example is using a road. If you drive on the road you pay in some way whether that's tolls, a mileage tax, a fuel tax, or whatever.

[Ibanez]

What are you willing to give up?

[Chizzang]

Look you guys make it seem like I care what Boeing does or does not do...
Washington is never going to be able to do enough to keep Boeing here - Boeing is already moving to S.C.
Slowly but surely they are part and parcel packing their way over there (as we debate it - its happening right now)

S.C. Provides cheap non union labor and no zoning laws or ecological impact assessments
Boeing can dump their chemicals and garbage anywhere they want in S.C.
Hire people on the cheap and run roughshod over the locals

Again: Good luck S.C.
And be careful what you with for

[CID1990]

Look you guys make it seem like I care what Boeing does or does not do...
Washington is never going to be able to do enough to keep Boeing here - Boeing is already moving to S.C.
Slowly but surely they are part and parcel packing their way over there (as we debate it - its happening right now)

S.C. Provides cheap non union labor and no zoning laws or ecological impact assessments
Boeing can dump their chemicals and garbage anywhere they want in S.C.
Hire people on the cheap and run roughshod over the locals

Again: Good luck S.C.
And be careful what you with for

Dump it in Columbia and nobody will notice.

Or just cart it across the border to Statesville.

[Baldy]

Just kind of a random thought: I've read stuff about how Boeing has a much bigger positive impact on Washington's economy than the Seattle Seahawks do. MUCH bigger.

Actually I went ahead and looked it up again. Here it is:

https://www.washington.edu/alumni/colum ... game2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Here's the thing: Successful large corporations like Boeing generate lots of tax revenue even if you're not butt-fuck*ng them directly through "corporate taxes." Comparing something like giving Boeing a tax break to something like giving what is basically charity to the "47%" who are sucking off the society is absurd.

What about the small businesses who employ more people and bring in tons of money to the state coffers? You don't see them freeloading like those parasites at Boeing.

Of course you do. Most states assess only a token corporate income tax on the vast majority of it's corporate taxpayers, large and small. If they don't they're doing their state a disservice.

[kalm]

What about the small businesses who employ more people and bring in tons of money to the state coffers? You don't see them freeloading like those parasites at Boeing.

Of course you do. Most states assess only a token corporate income tax on the vast majority of it's corporate taxpayers, large and small. If they don't they're doing their state a disservice.

How about breaks on property, B&O, sales taxes that the big boys receive?

[Baldy]

Of course you do. Most states assess only a token corporate income tax on the vast majority of it's corporate taxpayers, large and small. If they don't they're doing their state a disservice.

How about breaks on property, B&O, sales taxes that the big boys receive?

Reduced property taxes are an incentive to get the big boys to move there, and only a tiny handful of states have B&O taxes (which are ridiculous). I can't speak for all states, but I know for a fact that Georgia doesn't give breaks on sales taxes (other than the exemptions already allowed for ALL qualified taxpayers).

[Cap'n Cat]

We are majorly undertaxed in the US. Spoiled and corrupt.

[ASUG8]

We are majorly undertaxed in the US. Spoiled and corrupt.

Fix the corrupt part and maybe you don't need as much taxation.

[kalm]

How about breaks on property, B&O, sales taxes that the big boys receive?

Reduced property taxes are an incentive to get the big boys to move there, and only a tiny handful of states have B&O taxes (which are ridiculous). I can't speak for all states, but I know for a fact that Georgia doesn't give breaks on sales taxes (other than the exemptions already allowed for ALL qualified taxpayers).

Agreed and Washington gives breaks in all 3, so those breaks are going to parasitic big companies mooching off the small businesses.

[Ibanez]

We are majorly undertaxed in the US. Spoiled and corrupt.

I think the problem is that we spend, wastefully, too much. Get the spending under control, eliminate waste and duplicate agencies, positions, roles, etc... and spend more wisely. If you continue to tax people, they won't have money to make ends meet. Then you have a growing poor population that you've created because instead of fixing the problem, you've just thrown more money at it.

[kalm]

We are majorly undertaxed in the US. Spoiled and corrupt.

I think the problem is that we spend, wastefully, too much. Get the spending under control, eliminate waste and duplicate agencies, positions, roles, etc... and spend more wisely. If you continue to tax people, they won't have money to make ends meet. Then you have a growing poor population that you've created because instead of fixing the problem, you've just thrown more money at it.

Agreed, but wages are an issue too.

[HI54UNI]

We are majorly undertaxed in the US. Spoiled and corrupt.

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[ASUG8]

We are majorly undertaxed in the US. Spoiled and corrupt.

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You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, and, in the memo section, notate that it's a gift to reduce the debt held by the public. Mail your check to:

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[Chizzang]

Look you guys make it seem like I care what Boeing does or does not do...
Washington is never going to be able to do enough to keep Boeing here - Boeing is already moving to S.C.
Slowly but surely they are part and parcel packing their way over there (as we debate it - its happening right now)

S.C. Provides cheap non union labor and no zoning laws or ecological impact assessments
Boeing can dump their chemicals and garbage anywhere they want in S.C.
Hire people on the cheap and run roughshod over the locals

Again: Good luck S.C.
And be careful what you with for

Dump it in Columbia and nobody will notice.

Or just cart it across the border to Statesville.

Boeing is smart...
They are tired of dealing with Washington State as well as Union Labor

Washington State is in the midst of trying to (state wide) restore the Salmon to the local rivers and stream eco-systems as well as river otter and other naturally occurring flora and fauna

This "extra" attention to the ecological infrastructure of the state is causing problems for the companies that create a lot of garbage and chemicals from their manufacturing processes

that coupled with the Unions killing Boeing
Washington State will NEVER be able to do enough - give enough - cut enough deals to Boeing to keep them from moving.... And that is just the way it is...

Like I said:
Even Paying Boeing (which is the opposite of Taxation) to stay won't work

[Ibanez]

Look you guys make it seem like I care what Boeing does or does not do...
Washington is never going to be able to do enough to keep Boeing here - Boeing is already moving to S.C.
Slowly but surely they are part and parcel packing their way over there (as we debate it - its happening right now)

S.C. Provides cheap non union labor and no zoning laws or ecological impact assessments
Boeing can dump their chemicals and garbage anywhere they want in S.C.
Hire people on the cheap and run roughshod over the locals

Again: Good luck S.C.
And be careful what you with for

No Zoning Laws or eco impact assessments? Must be talking about a different South Carolina. I know B Lab is one of the main companies that SC uses to conduct those assessments. As for zoning, please. That's just a ridiculous comment.

[Chizzang]

Look you guys make it seem like I care what Boeing does or does not do...
Washington is never going to be able to do enough to keep Boeing here - Boeing is already moving to S.C.
Slowly but surely they are part and parcel packing their way over there (as we debate it - its happening right now)

S.C. Provides cheap non union labor and no zoning laws or ecological impact assessments
Boeing can dump their chemicals and garbage anywhere they want in S.C.
Hire people on the cheap and run roughshod over the locals

Again: Good luck S.C.
And be careful what you with for

No Zoning Laws or eco impact assessments? Must be talking about a different South Carolina. I know B Lab is one of the main companies that SC uses to conduct those assessments. As for zoning, please. That's just a ridiculous comment.

Would you like me to show you some pictures from your own state...
So lets call it "more flexible" zoning and



and hasn't Boeing already been fined by the state on the new build-out
Wasn't the primary building at the new 787 plant 300 feet off from the assigned specific location

[Ibanez]

No Zoning Laws or eco impact assessments? Must be talking about a different South Carolina. I know B Lab is one of the main companies that SC uses to conduct those assessments. As for zoning, please. That's just a ridiculous comment.

Would you like me to show you some pictures from your own state...
So lets call it "more flexible" zoning and



and hasn't Boeing already been fined by the state on the new build-out
Wasn't the primary building at the new 787 plant 300 feet off from the assigned specific location

I drive by Boeing every day. It's confined by the airport, the Air Force Base, the interstate and a parkway. There hasn't been anything in the news or the rumor mill about fines levied by SC. I've heard of the penalties from the FAA, but not from SC. You might be referring to the 466 acres that Boeing is leasing (for $1/yr) that had different zoning classifications. All the land was mostly undeveloped, except for a trailer park. There was a wetlands mitigation plan that had to be completed and approved by the Army Corps of Engineers and all of that was successful. Much of the wetlands is left over from when the area was a phosphate mine. The biggest "scandal" had been the sale of the trailer park to Boeing which forced the removal of 400+ mobile homes. Those mobile homes, being there for decades, were an environmental catastrophe.

[Chizzang]

Would you like me to show you some pictures from your own state...
So lets call it "more flexible" zoning and



and hasn't Boeing already been fined by the state on the new build-out
Wasn't the primary building at the new 787 plant 300 feet off from the assigned specific location

I drive by Boeing every day. It's confined by the airport, the Air Force Base, the interstate and a parkway. There hasn't been anything in the news or the rumor mill about fines levied by SC. I've heard of the penalties from the FAA, but not from SC. You might be referring to the 466 acres that Boeing is leasing (for $1/yr) that had different zoning classifications. All the land was mostly undeveloped, except for a trailer park. There was a wetlands mitigation plan that had to be completed and approved by the Army Corps of Engineers and all of that was successful. Much of the wetlands is left over from when the area was a phosphate mine. The biggest "scandal" had been the sale of the trailer park to Boeing which forced the removal of 400+ mobile homes. Those mobile homes, being there for decades, were an environmental catastrophe.

I'll check in with you more frequently for Boeing Updates...
In the meantime - thanks for helping me out

Just remember:
Any deal with the devil has its due



Boeing is NOT moving into South Carolina because its such a nice place and they love the people
They are moving there to be more profitable (at any cost)

[kalm]

I drive by Boeing every day. It's confined by the airport, the Air Force Base, the interstate and a parkway. There hasn't been anything in the news or the rumor mill about fines levied by SC. I've heard of the penalties from the FAA, but not from SC. You might be referring to the 466 acres that Boeing is leasing (for $1/yr) that had different zoning classifications. All the land was mostly undeveloped, except for a trailer park. There was a wetlands mitigation plan that had to be completed and approved by the Army Corps of Engineers and all of that was successful. Much of the wetlands is left over from when the area was a phosphate mine. The biggest "scandal" had been the sale of the trailer park to Boeing which forced the removal of 400+ mobile homes. Those mobile homes, being there for decades, were an environmental catastrophe.

I'll check in with you more frequently for Boeing Updates...
In the meantime - thanks for helping me out

Just remember:
Any deal with the devil has its due



Boeing is NOT moving into South Carolina because its such a nice place and they love the people
They are moving there to be more profitable (at any cost)

Salmon, Steelead, and otters are more important than Boeing.

[ASUG8]

I'll check in with you more frequently for Boeing Updates...
In the meantime - thanks for helping me out

Just remember:
Any deal with the devil has its due



Boeing is NOT moving into South Carolina because its such a nice place and they love the people
They are moving there to be more profitable (at any cost)

Salmon, Steelead, and otters are more important than Boeing.

We already don't have Salmon or Steelhead near Charleston, so no biggie. We'll take the jobs.

[kalm]

Salmon, Steelead, and otters are more important than Boeing.

We already don't have Salmon or Steelhead near Charleston, so no biggie. We'll take the jobs.

Excellent! You can be our China!