Dean: "Where the Hell Is the Democratic Party?"

[GannonFan]

I've never seen a party try to distance themselves from the president as much as this election. Heck, he was rebuffed to come out and stump for many of those in tight races.

Huh? Has it really been that long since the Bush years from 2006-2008? Bush couldn't have been more of a pariah. How quickly we forget. No wonder we collectively are a dumb country when it comes to history and our command of it.

[CAA Flagship]

I've never seen a party try to distance themselves from the president as much as this election. Heck, he was rebuffed to come out and stump for many of those in tight races.

Huh? Has it really been that long since the Bush years from 2006-2008? Bush couldn't have been more of a pariah. How quickly we forget. No wonder we collectively are a dumb country when it comes to history and our command of it.

It's that damn rock-n-roll. It has ruined us.

[Chizzang]

This ^
The Democrats did a great job of making every Republican out to be a closet Tea Party member
Oh how the tables have turned



And now the Liberals (like me) say well I didn't vote for him last time

How about a Jill Stein-Ben Stein ticket?

I've ordered the 2016 Jill Stein Poster.... it's just like this one only different

[BDKJMU]

Howard Dean? Cpt pays credence to THIS WINGNUT..

(you can skip the 1st minute):
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc[/youtube]

[Ivytalk]

How about a Jill Stein-Ben Stein ticket?

I've ordered the 2016 Jill Stein Poster.... it's just like this one only different

White-haired chicks with pearls are a turn-on!

[93henfan]

I can never hear Dean's name without thinking of the Outkast/Howard Dean remix of Hey YEEEEAAHH!!!

[JohnStOnge]

"The Republican message was, 'We're not Obama.' No substance whatsoever,"

There's plenty of substance to that. Obama wants to take the country in the wrong direction. If the message is "we want to obstruct Obama" that's a substantive message. You have a guy in power who has a completely wrong headed view of the world and the role of government. If your message is that you don't want him to succeed in changing things the way he wants to change things, you don't want him getting any Supreme Court nominees on the Court, etc., that's a substantive message.

[kalm]

He'd sure as hell get the blame if it were tanking.

Could we get some specific examples of how Obama is destroying America like conks claimed he would?

JOBS

That should be up to the private sector.

[CAA Flagship]

I saw Dean on CNBC recently and he admitted to being a "fiscal conservative" (and I think he may be). It struck me then that the term has become PC in a way. We need a solid definition of the term, though. Seriously, would anyone freely admit that they are NOT a fiscal conservative?
But if you are not a "fiscal conservative", what are you (besides a fucking moran)? A kalmunist? A Chizzangthrapist? A houndawgian? Capstrated? Griznofuckingway? Jellyfetish?

[kalm]

I saw Dean on CNBC recently and he admitted to being a "fiscal conservative" (and I think he may be). It struck me then that the term has become PC in a way. We need a solid definition of the term, though. Seriously, would anyone freely admit that they are NOT a fiscal conservative?
But if you are not a "fiscal conservative", what are you (besides a fucking moran)? A kalmunist? A Chizzangthrapist? A houndawgian? Capstrated? Griznofuckingway? Jellyfetish?

Republicans have gotten a fiscal conservative pass for quite sometime.

Btw, Kalmunism is steeped in fiscal conservation.

[ASUG8]

I've never seen a party try to distance themselves from the president as much as this election. Heck, he was rebuffed to come out and stump for many of those in tight races.

Huh? Has it really been that long since the Bush years from 2006-2008? Bush couldn't have been more of a pariah. How quickly we forget. No wonder we collectively are a dumb country when it comes to history and our command of it.

Here it is in all its' glory, the "but Bush" defense again. Bush's policies weren't popular in the rear view for sure (even though 58% of Democratic senators voted for the Iraq resolution, but I digress), but comparatively I think the last six years have been worse at dividing the nation. Guys like you who likely voted twice for this president are the ones who forgot all the transparency, hope, and change that was promised as recently as 2008. You're absolutely right about us being a dumb country.

[DSUrocks07]

Huh? Has it really been that long since the Bush years from 2006-2008? Bush couldn't have been more of a pariah. How quickly we forget. No wonder we collectively are a dumb country when it comes to history and our command of it.

Here it is in all its' glory, the "but Bush" defense again. Bush's policies weren't popular in the rear view for sure (even though 58% of Democratic senators voted for the Iraq resolutin, but I digress), but comparatively I think the last six years have been worse at dividing the nation. Guys like you who likely voted twice for this president are the ones who forgot all the transparency, hope, and change that was promised as recently as 2008. You're absolutely right about us being a dumb country.

Also, **** you for having me defend GF

[ASUG8]

Here it is in all its' glory, the "but Bush" defense again. Bush's policies weren't popular in the rear view for sure (even though 58% of Democratic senators voted for the Iraq resolutin, but I digress), but comparatively I think the last six years have been worse at dividing the nation. Guys like you who likely voted twice for this president are the ones who forgot all the transparency, hope, and change that was promised as recently as 2008. You're absolutely right about us being a dumb country.

Also, **** you for having me defend GF

The point of this thread is the recent results of the Democratic party and the reasons for it, not a rehash of the Bush administration which as we all know turned out to be a pretty dark time for the country. We've lived through nearly six years of "it's not my fault, it was the prior administration" and it's time to man up and take some responsibility for what's happened on his watch. These mid term results were an indictment on the policies of the president as has been pointed out already.
If you're one who voted Dem in '08, listened to four years of deflection while he continued many of the prior admin's policies, then voted for him again then I simply can't help you.

[GannonFan]

Huh? Has it really been that long since the Bush years from 2006-2008? Bush couldn't have been more of a pariah. How quickly we forget. No wonder we collectively are a dumb country when it comes to history and our command of it.

Here it is in all its' glory, the "but Bush" defense again. Bush's policies weren't popular in the rear view for sure (even though 58% of Democratic senators voted for the Iraq resolution, but I digress), but comparatively I think the last six years have been worse at dividing the nation. Guys like you who likely voted twice for this president are the ones who forgot all the transparency, hope, and change that was promised as recently as 2008. You're absolutely right about us being a dumb country.

I think you're missing the point here in all your anger and righteousness - I was just pointing out that the Republicans in 2006 ran away from Bush when it came to campaigning and he was pointedly told not to come to certain places to campaign because the Republican there didn't want the distraction. You said you had never seen a party try to distance themselves from their President and I was saying that wasn't so, because the Republicans did pretty much the same in 2006. That doesn't excuse Obama from anything, I was just pointing out that you can't seem to remember back 8 years.

As for voting for Obama, I voted for Romney in 2012. So that's two things you've gotten wrong in two separate posts. Don't worry, message boards are like baseball, you only need to be right 20%-30% of the time to make it to the big time. You still have a chance!

[Pwns]

2012 and 2014 are uncannily like 2004 and 2006, except identity politics have replaced the social issues and the parties have reversed roles.

[CAA Flagship]

JOBS

That should be up to the private sector.

[ASUG8]

Here it is in all its' glory, the "but Bush" defense again. Bush's policies weren't popular in the rear view for sure (even though 58% of Democratic senators voted for the Iraq resolution, but I digress), but comparatively I think the last six years have been worse at dividing the nation. Guys like you who likely voted twice for this president are the ones who forgot all the transparency, hope, and change that was promised as recently as 2008. You're absolutely right about us being a dumb country.

I think you're missing the point here in all your anger and righteousness - I was just pointing out that the Republicans in 2006 ran away from Bush when it came to campaigning and he was pointedly told not to come to certain places to campaign because the Republican there didn't want the distraction. You said you had never seen a party try to distance themselves from their President and I was saying that wasn't so, because the Republicans did pretty much the same in 2006. That doesn't excuse Obama from anything, I was just pointing out that you can't seem to remember back 8 years.

As for voting for Obama, I voted for Romney in 2012. So that's two things you've gotten wrong in two separate posts. Don't worry, message boards are like baseball, you only need to be right 20%-30% of the time to make it to the big time. You still have a chance!

Does the word "likely" mean anything to you? Based on your posts some could assume that you were pro Obama both times (but I at least get half credit for 2008 ) - that was my apparently incorrect interpretation of the substance of many of your posts.

[AZGrizFan]

"The Republican message was, 'We're not Obama.' No substance whatsoever,"

Worked for the Dems last time around, why wouldn't the GOP try it?

Six years of "We're not Bush" worked. Really, it's kind of embarassing that it took so long for conks to figure it out.

[AZGrizFan]

Does the word "likely" mean anything to you? Based on your posts some could assume that you were pro Obama both times (but I at least get half credit for 2008 ) - that was my apparently incorrect interpretation of the substance of many of your posts.

I've never gotten that sense from GF's posts.

[kalm]

That should be up to the private sector.

Go swim with the euro trash, ya commie!

[Grizalltheway]

Go play with Nessie, ya commie!

Accuracy

[CAA Flagship]

Go swim with the euro trash, ya commie!

I don't wanna.

[Chizzang]

Can someone name the last fiscal conservative president we elected into office..?
This is a serious question please

I'll just wait right here...

[GannonFan]

Can someone name the last fiscal conservative president we elected into office..?
This is a serious question please

I'll just wait right here...

Clinton post the midterms in 1994 when he handed the economy over to Rubin and Greenspan?

[Ivytalk]

Can someone name the last fiscal conservative president we elected into office..?
This is a serious question please

I'll just wait right here...

Calvin Coolidge.