GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am certainly not going to read his whole article, he lost me pretty early. He doesn't get it and never will and I am OK with that. He doesn't have to thank our Veterans and they didn't serve for anything close to that reason. This guy can't seem to separate politics, police and war. I really don't know why it is such a tough concept for this guy to say, thanks for doing what your country sent you to do while completely disagreeing with sending them. Dont like it, elect different leaders, it really is a simple concept.
I am around a lot of veterans and very few think they are heroes so I am not sure where he even comes up with his concept. We have a WWII vet in my post that did 45 combat bombing runs over Nazi Germany in a B17 and you won't hear him asking for anything resembling wanting to be called a hero. He still goes and plays the bugle at funerals when he is feeling well enough.
Some people just won't ever understand and that is OK. You do it for the man next to you, you do it for the future generations, you do it because you owe something back for the freedom you have. He has the right to be a dumbass and not get it.
And I agree with your point - only an idiot is angry at the soldier
But I think maybe YOU don't get it
He's writing it at people who continue to believe we're the honorable defenders of the enslaved around the world or that America is fighting for its own freedom...
"No American freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan. It is impossible to imagine an argument to the contrary, just as the war in Iraq was clearly fought for the interests of empire, the profits of defense contractors, and the edification of neoconservative theorists. It had nothing to do with the safety or freedom of the American people"
So how does he get the above to equal soldiers are heroes and want to be called such? The above is politics and opinion and while he is entitled to it, he is way off IMHO. I may miss his point on what he is thinking he is saying but his drivel is off the mark in my opinion.
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-Class of '97
-Thank you to all our Veterans.
CAA Flagship wrote:This guy took one step with most reasonable people in the debate. The problem is that he took 3 or 4 steps beyond that and found himself on the other side of the debate.
You know I agree with that. I started off saying, "Ok." Then as he went on I started thinking "this guy is totally off the rails."
Well, I believe that I must tell the truth
And say things as they really are
But if I told the truth and nothing but the truth
Could I ever be a star? Deep Purple: No One Came
Chizzang wrote:Blind Patriotism is a mind closing exercise...
(Also) Everything he said in this article can be said in one paragraph
And I completely agree with the premise of his observation
We don't fight wars for freedom
We fight for Royal Dutch Shell and Anglo American Rare Earth Mining Corp.
Which are two Global companies most Americans have never heard of
Some of what you say is true. However, saying something like no American Freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan is debatable. The reason is that the freedom of future Americans may very well be at stake. Islam is indeed a threat to freedom throughout the world.
It's one of those things where you have to ask yourself if you want to allow a disease to persist so that it can eventually spread and overwhelm your descendants.
Well, I believe that I must tell the truth
And say things as they really are
But if I told the truth and nothing but the truth
Could I ever be a star? Deep Purple: No One Came
Chizzang wrote:Blind Patriotism is a mind closing exercise...
(Also) Everything he said in this article can be said in one paragraph
And I completely agree with the premise of his observation
We don't fight wars for freedom
We fight for Royal Dutch Shell and Anglo American Rare Earth Mining Corp.
Which are two Global companies most Americans have never heard of
Some of what you say is true. However, saying something like no American Freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan is debatable. The reason is that the freedom of future Americans may very well be at stake. Islam is indeed a threat to freedom throughout the world.
It's one of those things where you have to ask yourself if you want to allow a disease to persist so that it can eventually spread and overwhelm your descendants.
Is that ^ our job..?
To decide which religions and which races to eradicate
No John... Its not
Q: Name something that offends Republicans?
A: The actual teachings of Jesus
JohnStOnge wrote:
Some of what you say is true. However, saying something like no American Freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan is debatable. The reason is that the freedom of future Americans may very well be at stake. Islam is indeed a threat to freedom throughout the world.
It's one of those things where you have to ask yourself if you want to allow a disease to persist so that it can eventually spread and overwhelm your descendants.
Is that ^ our job..?
To decide which religions and which races to eradicate
I didn't watch/read what this nut job said. I respect those that serve and an honored to know many but I don't consider anyone doing their job to be a hero.
Chizzang wrote:Blind Patriotism is a mind closing exercise...
(Also) Everything he said in this article can be said in one paragraph
And I completely agree with the premise of his observation
We don't fight wars for freedom
We fight for Royal Dutch Shell and Anglo American Rare Earth Mining Corp.
Which are two Global companies most Americans have never heard of
Some of what you say is true. However, saying something like no American Freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan is debatable. The reason is that the freedom of future Americans may very well be at stake. Islam is indeed a threat to freedom throughout the world.
It's one of those things where you have to ask yourself if you want to allow a disease to persist so that it can eventually spread and overwhelm your descendants.
Islam doesn't have the power or resources to take over the world. Thinking so betrays your paranoia and lack of understanding of basic geopolitics.
As a veteran and a former cop I agree with the author's premise and I think Gannonfan pretty well summed it up. The current hero worship seems somewhat compensatory for the 1960s and 1970s. But at the same time it seems like most of the chest beaters are outside the military or law enforcement, but those who are inside do too little to cool it down. There are plenty of people on the inside who bask in it and that doesn't help.
The author IS a crybaby. And there HAVE been times where the US military HAS protected our freedoms and liberties. I'm on the fence about the Cold War and its proxies like Vietnam, but that's beside the point. I do think that if we find ourselves in an existential struggle, the 5% of the military that isn't in an administrative or support role will fight valiantly to protect our freedoms until they are overrun by the forces of other countries that concern themselves less with gender sensitivity and more with killing.
And Cleets is a pinko commie fag.
"You however, are an insufferable ankle biting mental chihuahua..." - Clizzoris
JohnStOnge wrote:
Some of what you say is true. However, saying something like no American Freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan is debatable. The reason is that the freedom of future Americans may very well be at stake. Islam is indeed a threat to freedom throughout the world.
It's one of those things where you have to ask yourself if you want to allow a disease to persist so that it can eventually spread and overwhelm your descendants.
Islam doesn't have the power or resources to take over the world. Thinking so betrays your paranoia and lack of understanding of basic geopolitics.
Grizalltheway wrote:Islam doesn't have the power or resources to take over the world.
Said just about every world ruler south of Austria from 600 until around 1295 AD. The entire geopolitical landscape is as much shaped by the Islamic expansion as it is by the Roman or British Empires.
"You however, are an insufferable ankle biting mental chihuahua..." - Clizzoris
I'm actually leaving for Arlington Cemetary in 30 minutes for the funeral of a two star army general. I'll make sure to tell all the people I see today that most of you guys think they are worthless.
89Hen wrote:I'm actually leaving for Arlington Cemetary in 30 minutes for the funeral of a two star army general. I'll make sure to tell all the people I see today that most of you guys think they are worthless.
Nobody said that. Those that served should be respected. They have volunteered to fight (well, the small % of them that actually see combat). We're just saying that just because you join the military, that doesn't automatically make you a hero. Doing your job isn't heroic.
That said, I have the utmost respect and appreciation for all that serve, have served and will serve.
GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am certainly not going to read his whole article, he lost me pretty early. He doesn't get it and never will and I am OK with that. He doesn't have to thank our Veterans and they didn't serve for anything close to that reason. This guy can't seem to separate politics, police and war. I really don't know why it is such a tough concept for this guy to say, thanks for doing what your country sent you to do while completely disagreeing with sending them. Dont like it, elect different leaders, it really is a simple concept.
I am around a lot of veterans and very few think they are heroes so I am not sure where he even comes up with his concept. We have a WWII vet in my post that did 45 combat bombing runs over Nazi Germany in a B17 and you won't hear him asking for anything resembling wanting to be called a hero. He still goes and plays the bugle at funerals when he is feeling well enough.
Some people just won't ever understand and that is OK. You do it for the man next to you, you do it for the future generations, you do it because you owe something back for the freedom you have. He has the right to be a dumbass and not get it.
And I agree with your point - only an idiot is angry at the soldier
But I think maybe YOU don't get it
He's writing it at people who continue to believe we're the honorable defenders of the enslaved around the world or that America is fighting for its own freedom...
"No American freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan. It is impossible to imagine an argument to the contrary, just as the war in Iraq was clearly fought for the interests of empire, the profits of defense contractors, and the edification of neoconservative theorists. It had nothing to do with the safety or freedom of the American people"
Grizalltheway wrote:Islam doesn't have the power or resources to take over the world.
Said just about every world ruler south of Austria from 600 until around 1295 AD. The entire geopolitical landscape is as much shaped by the Islamic expansion as it is by the Roman or British Empires.
Nailed it. Anyone who thinks Islam doesn’t have the resources, or has never tried, or won’t try to take over the world has no grasp of world history.
And I agree with your point - only an idiot is angry at the soldier
But I think maybe YOU don't get it
He's writing it at people who continue to believe we're the honorable defenders of the enslaved around the world or that America is fighting for its own freedom...
"No American freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan. It is impossible to imagine an argument to the contrary, just as the war in Iraq was clearly fought for the interests of empire, the profits of defense contractors, and the edification of neoconservative theorists. It had nothing to do with the safety or freedom of the American people"
And I agree with your point - only an idiot is angry at the soldier
But I think maybe YOU don't get it
He's writing it at people who continue to believe we're the honorable defenders of the enslaved around the world or that America is fighting for its own freedom...
"No American freedom is currently at stake in Afghanistan. It is impossible to imagine an argument to the contrary, just as the war in Iraq was clearly fought for the interests of empire, the profits of defense contractors, and the edification of neoconservative theorists. It had nothing to do with the safety or freedom of the American people"
Chizzang wrote:
Those guys ^ in that clip...
They are fighting for Rare Earth mining rights in Afghanistan
and an oil pipeline coming through
Senators and House Reps needs to watch this
Sometime before they snuggle up to our global corporations that ask them to "clear the way"
Corporations? Hillary said that corporations do not create jobs. Demand creates jobs. So the need for oil and mining rights (demand) comes from the American people and not corporations. Therefore, our military is fighting at the will of the American people who are asking them to "clear the way".
Chizzang wrote:
Those guys ^ in that clip...
They are fighting for Rare Earth mining rights in Afghanistan
and an oil pipeline coming through
Senators and House Reps needs to watch this
Sometime before they snuggle up to our global corporations that ask them to "clear the way"
Corporations? Hillary said that corporations do not create jobs. Demand creates jobs. So the need for oil and mining rights (demand) comes from the American people and not corporations. Therefore, our military is fighting at the will of the American people who are asking them to "clear the way".
Best spin job of 2014
Okay You Win
Q: Name something that offends Republicans?
A: The actual teachings of Jesus
Those guys ^ in that clip...
They are fighting for Rare Earth mining rights in Afghanistan
and an oil pipeline coming through
Senators and House Reps needs to watch this
Sometime before they snuggle up to our global corporations that ask them to "clear the way"
No, no they're not. They're fighting for the guy in the bunker next to them. Period. End of story. Ain't a single one of them fighting for anything else. They're fighting for their survival.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
Grizalltheway wrote:
Islam doesn't have the power or resources to take over the world. Thinking so betrays your paranoia and lack of understanding of basic geopolitics.
Goddamned uppity Muslins are growing more bold by the minute.
"Christmas and Easter have been stricken from next year’s school calendar in Montgomery County. So have Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah.
Montgomery’s Board of Education voted 7 to 1 Tuesday to eliminate references to all religious holidays on the published calendar for 2015-2016, a decision that followed a request from Muslim community leaders to give equal billing to the Muslim holy day of Eid al-Adha."
Grizalltheway wrote:
Islam doesn't have the power or resources to take over the world. Thinking so betrays your paranoia and lack of understanding of basic geopolitics.
Goddamned uppity Muslins are growing more bold by the minute.
"Christmas and Easter have been stricken from next year’s school calendar in Montgomery County. So have Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah.
Montgomery’s Board of Education voted 7 to 1 Tuesday to eliminate references to all religious holidays on the published calendar for 2015-2016, a decision that followed a request from Muslim community leaders to give equal billing to the Muslim holy day of Eid al-Adha."
Goddamned uppity Muslins are growing more bold by the minute.
"Christmas and Easter have been stricken from next year’s school calendar in Montgomery County. So have Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah.
Montgomery’s Board of Education voted 7 to 1 Tuesday to eliminate references to all religious holidays on the published calendar for 2015-2016, a decision that followed a request from Muslim community leaders to give equal billing to the Muslim holy day of Eid al-Adha."
Dont like it, elect different leaders, it really is a simple concept.
