AFL-CIO :We Need More Immigrants So Dems Can Steal Elections

[houndawg]

So what? Just game the voting machines to flip their vote. Problem solved.

Are you gonna be this flippant when there's a conk in the White House?

Flippant? That's how we got the last one in the White House.

Your crowd is just mad because they've been beaten at their own game.

[travelinman67]

Univision: The path to the White House will require the Hispanic vote, and Hispanics vote Democrat, so...

...btw, did we mention Obama added a couple of million Hispanic voters.

[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=ftrZkbzaGXM[/youtube]

[JohnStOnge]

I think that, ultimately, the Democrats do want to have a bunch of immigrants that would be expected to vote Democrat become legal voting citizens. But I also think fraudulent voting favors them on balance, they know that it favors them on balance, and they therefore resist any effort to curtail it while encouraging measures that will make it more likely.

As written it many times but it's obvious. All you have to do is note that Democrats consistently favor measures that will make fraudulent voting easier and consistently oppose measures that will make it more difficult while the opposite is the case for Republicans. It's pretty easy to tell which side fraudulent voting favors on balance from the behavior of the two parties.

And opposing voter ID laws is an example of that. There is absolutely no valid reason for doing it.

What I'd personally like to see at some point is using biometrics. Don't require a card. Just take some biometric data and scan each prospective voter when they show up to vote. Also make it a national database so that they can't vote in different places.

And I can guarantee you that if we start talking about doing something like that Democrats are going to oppose it and Republicans are going to favor it.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW it doesn't really matter for the long term because the Demographic and Cultural evolution of the United States is going to degrade it regardless. The future is not bright for this country.

[BDKJMU]

I think that, ultimately, the Democrats do want to have a bunch of immigrants that would be expected to vote Democrat become legal voting citizens. But I also think fraudulent voting favors them on balance, they know that it favors them on balance, and they therefore resist any effort to curtail it while encouraging measures that will make it more likely.

As written it many times but it's obvious. All you have to do is note that Democrats consistently favor measures that will make fraudulent voting easier and consistently oppose measures that will make it more difficult while the opposite is the case for Republicans. It's pretty easy to tell which side fraudulent voting favors on balance from the behavior of the two parties.

And opposing voter ID laws is an example of that. There is absolutely no valid reason for doing it.

What I'd personally like to see at some point is using biometrics. Don't require a card. Just take some biometric data and scan each prospective voter when they show up to vote. Also make it a national database so that they can't vote in different places.

And I can guarantee you that if we start talking about doing something like that Democrats are going to oppose it and Republicans are going to favor it.

Yep. Study done by 2 ODU professors estimates about 14% of 'non citizens" are registered to vote, and 6.4% voted in 2008, and 2.2% in 2010. Note this includes both illegal immigrants and legal immigrants, non citizens who are legal permanent residents, who by law still aren't allowed to vote in federal elections,

So its only natural that the donks would want more non citizens in the country, legal or illegal, as ultimately a small percentage of them will end up voting, and most will vote donk (Obama got an estimated 80% of this non citizen illegal vote in 08').

US Census 2010 had the foreign born non naturalized (non citizen) population in the U.S. at 22.48 million. 6.4% of that is about 1.44 million. 131.3 million voted in 2008. So according to the study about 1.1% would have been illegal votes from non citizens.

"....Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[travelinman67]

THERE it is...

House Democrat leader calls on 5 million illegal immigrants to vote Democrat to beat Republican Presidential candidate in 2016...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... izens.html

[Skjellyfetti]

House Democrat leader calls on 5 million illegal immigrants to vote Democrat to beat Republican Presidential candidate in 2016...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... izens.html

Hey, dumbass.

He's calling for green card holders (read: LEGAL immigrants) to take steps toward gaining citizenship so they can vote.

Don't y'all always claim that you're in favor of LEGAL immigration?

A Democratic congressman wants millions of people who hold U.S. green cards to become American citizens in order to send Donald Trump and other Republicans a message

So for the millions who meet the requirements of citizenship I say: take the step

[CID1990]

House Democrat leader calls on 5 million illegal immigrants to vote Democrat to beat Republican Presidential candidate in 2016...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... izens.html

Hey, dumbass.

He's calling for green card holders (read: LEGAL immigrants) to take steps toward gaining citizenship so they can vote.

Don't y'all always claim that you're in favor of LEGAL immigration?

A Democratic congressman wants millions of people who hold U.S. green cards to become American citizens in order to send Donald Trump and other Republicans a message

So for the millions who meet the requirements of citizenship I say: take the step

This doesn't concern me too much. This is mostly anecdotal, but I run across hundreds if not thousands of LPR in my work and the Lions share of them will never naturalize. They got what they needed out of their LPR status and they are either not interested or incapable of naturalizing.

Now eventually we will probably see someone in Congress floating the idea of getting rid of the citizenship requirements and that should be opposed. Mainly because the idea behind it will be purely "we don't care if you assimilate and become Americans but we do care if you vote".

People who cannot pass the naturalization test are not the "best and brightest" that we want to be attracting

[travelinman67]

Hey, dumbass.

He's calling for green card holders (read: LEGAL immigrants) to take steps toward gaining citizenship so they can vote.

Don't y'all always claim that you're in favor of LEGAL immigration?

This doesn't concern me too much. This is mostly anecdotal, but I run across hundreds if not thousands of LPR in my work and the Lions share of them will never naturalize. They got what they needed out of their LPR status and they are either not interested or incapable of naturalizing.

Now eventually we will probably see someone in Congress floating the idea of getting rid of the citizenship requirements and that should be opposed. Mainly because the idea behind it will be purely "we don't care if you assimilate and become Americans but we do care if you vote".

People who cannot pass the naturalization test are not the "best and brightest" that we want to be attracting

Menendez already drafted that bill for the Senate. In California, they just skipped the legislation and accomplished it by not allowing registrars/poll workers to question applicants/voters.

[travelinman67]

Sanctuary cities located principally in Democrat districts...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... gal-aliens

Darn! Never expected that!

[houndawg]

Sanctuary cities located principally in Democrat districts...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... gal-aliens

Darn! Never expected that!

You need better programmers, thats all.


Ask Karl Rove what good programmers could have done for the conks in Ohio last election.

[dbackjon]

Have you ever noticed that T-man and expandspanos don't post at the same time - when one is an active poster and the other is strangely absent

[Ivytalk]

Have you ever noticed that T-man and expandspanos don't post at the same time - when one is an active poster and the other is strangely absent

I've noticed the same thing about you and mainejeff.

[kalm]

Have you ever noticed that T-man and expandspanos don't post at the same time - when one is an active poster and the other is strangely absent

I've noticed the same thing about you and mainejeff.

I've noticed the same about you and BDK.

[travelinman67]

Have you ever noticed that T-man and expandspanos don't post at the same time - when one is an active poster and the other is strangely absent

...and I can say the same about you and UNHWildcat or Opie.

[houndawg]

Univision: The path to the White House will require the Hispanic vote, and Hispanics vote Democrat, so...

...btw, did we mention Obama added a couple of million Hispanic voters.

[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=ftrZkbzaGXM[/youtube]

Thanks, spandos!

Hispanics are natural conservative voters but the stupid fvcking conks would rather remain a minority party than welcome in those who think like them but look different.

[travelinman67]

Hispanics are natural conservative voters...:

False, Gumpdawg. You're confusing familial dynamics with voting habits. Hispanics overwhelmingly are straight-slate Democrat voters...and the Democratic Party takes advantage of that phenomenon.
In Hispanic dominant districts in CA, the Dems can put up a canned ham and win.

[houndawg]

BTW it doesn't really matter for the long term because the Demographic and Cultural evolution of the United States is going to degrade it regardless. The future is not bright for this country.

Your grandkids will all be at least half black, John. Maybe one of them can be President some day.

[houndawg]

Hispanics are natural conservative voters...:

False, Gumpdawg. You're confusing familial dynamics with voting habits. Hispanics overwhelmingly are straight-slate Democrat voters...and the Democratic Party takes advantage of that phenomenon.
In Hispanic dominant districts in CA, the Dems can put up a canned ham and win.

You're a step behind, tspando, we're discussing the why of it. Which is because of the conks abject fear of anybody not white. This fear manifests itself in the virulent racism that has become synonymous with "republican". Their cringing terror is so powerful that they are not able to reach out to the group that could make them a majority but instead they retreat to their country clubs and lunge snapping and snarling at anyone who approaches their fences. Fear-biters are the worst, tspan, and you should be real careful and not turn your back on them because they feast on the weak and stupid..

[houndawg]

Hispanics are natural conservative voters...:

False, Gumpdawg. You're confusing familial dynamics with voting habits. Hispanics overwhelmingly are straight-slate Democrat voters...and the Democratic Party takes advantage of that phenomenon.
In Hispanic dominant districts in CA, the Dems can put up a canned ham and win.

That's because canned ham is a towering intellect compared to a republican candidate. Next.

[travelinman67]

False, Gumpdawg. You're confusing familial dynamics with voting habits. Hispanics overwhelmingly are straight-slate Democrat voters...and the Democratic Party takes advantage of that phenomenon.
In Hispanic dominant districts in CA, the Dems can put up a canned ham and win.

You're a step behind, tspando, we're discussing the why of it. Which is because of the conks abject fear of anybody not white. This fear manifests itself in the virulent racism that has become synonymous with "republican". Their cringing terror is so powerful that they are not able to reach out to the group that could make them a majority but instead they retreat to their country clubs and lunge snapping and snarling at anyone who approaches their fences. Fear-biters are the worst, tspan, and you should be real careful and not turn your back on them because they feast on the weak and stupid..

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 74#p988589

[houndawg]

I think that, ultimately, the Democrats do want to have a bunch of immigrants that would be expected to vote Democrat become legal voting citizens. But I also think fraudulent voting favors them on balance, they know that it favors them on balance, and they therefore resist any effort to curtail it while encouraging measures that will make it more likely.

As written it many times but it's obvious. All you have to do is note that Democrats consistently favor measures that will make fraudulent voting easier and consistently oppose measures that will make it more difficult while the opposite is the case for Republicans. It's pretty easy to tell which side fraudulent voting favors on balance from the behavior of the two parties.

And opposing voter ID laws is an example of that. There is absolutely no valid reason for doing it.

What I'd personally like to see at some point is using biometrics. Don't require a card. Just take some biometric data and scan each prospective voter when they show up to vote. Also make it a national database so that they can't vote in different places.

And I can guarantee you that if we start talking about doing something like that Democrats are going to oppose it and Republicans are going to favor it.

Yep. Study done by 2 ODU professors estimates about 14% of 'non citizens" are registered to vote, and 6.4% voted in 2008, and 2.2% in 2010. Note this includes both illegal immigrants and legal immigrants, non citizens who are legal permanent residents, who by law still aren't allowed to vote in federal elections,

So its only natural that the donks would want more non citizens in the country, legal or illegal, as ultimately a small percentage of them will end up voting, and most will vote donk (Obama got an estimated 80% of this non citizen illegal vote in 08').

US Census 2010 had the foreign born non naturalized (non citizen) population in the U.S. at 22.48 million. 6.4% of that is about 1.44 million. 131.3 million voted in 2008. So according to the study about 1.1% would have been illegal votes from non citizens.

"....Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I didn't realize you were desperate enough to quote professors.

[SDHornet]

False, Gumpdawg. You're confusing familial dynamics with voting habits. Hispanics overwhelmingly are straight-slate Democrat voters...and the Democratic Party takes advantage of that phenomenon.
In Hispanic dominant districts in CA, the Dems can put up a canned ham and win.

You're a step behind, tspando, we're discussing the why of it. Which is because of the conks abject fear of anybody not white. This fear manifests itself in the virulent racism that has become synonymous with "republican". Their cringing terror is so powerful that they are not able to reach out to the group that could make them a majority but instead they retreat to their country clubs and lunge snapping and snarling at anyone who approaches their fences. Fear-biters are the worst, tspan, and you should be real careful and not turn your back on them because they feast on the weak and stupid..

Nailed it. Hispanics, generally speaking, lean towards conservative ideals such as pro-life, family oriented upbringings, hard working ethics...unfortunately the conks failed to capitalize on it with a pathway to citizenship alternative. tman will claim conks never had a shot at the Hispanic electorate, but he's wrong and I think he is just posting that nonesense to cover up for the fact that conks blew their shot a locking up a significant percentage of the Brown vote with their anti-immigrant sentiment. He and his fellow conks will be kicking themselves forever for that failure.

[BDKJMU]

You're a step behind, tspando, we're discussing the why of it. Which is because of the conks abject fear of anybody not white. This fear manifests itself in the virulent racism that has become synonymous with "republican". Their cringing terror is so powerful that they are not able to reach out to the group that could make them a majority but instead they retreat to their country clubs and lunge snapping and snarling at anyone who approaches their fences. Fear-biters are the worst, tspan, and you should be real careful and not turn your back on them because they feast on the weak and stupid..

Nailed it. Hispanics, generally speaking, lean towards conservative ideals such as pro-life, family oriented upbringings, hard working ethics...unfortunately the conks failed to capitalize on it with a pathway to citizenship alternative. tman will claim conks never had a shot at the Hispanic electorate, but he's wrong and I think he is just posting that nonesense to cover up for the fact that conks blew their shot a locking up a significant percentage of the Brown vote with their anti-immigrant sentiment. He and his fellow conks will be kicking themselves forever for that failure.

Complete fallacy. Conks don't have an anti immigrant sentiment. They have an anti ILLEGAL immigrant sentiment. BIG difference..

[SDHornet]

Nailed it. Hispanics, generally speaking, lean towards conservative ideals such as pro-life, family oriented upbringings, hard working ethics...unfortunately the conks failed to capitalize on it with a pathway to citizenship alternative. tman will claim conks never had a shot at the Hispanic electorate, but he's wrong and I think he is just posting that nonesense to cover up for the fact that conks blew their shot a locking up a significant percentage of the Brown vote with their anti-immigrant sentiment. He and his fellow conks will be kicking themselves forever for that failure.

Complete fallacy. Conks don't have an anti immigrant sentiment. They have an anti ILLEGAL immigrant sentiment. BIG difference..

The "get back in line and go through the system" rhetoric from a few election cycles ago is an anti-immigrant sentiment since it's basically saying the system is fine as is...which it clearly isn't.

A common sense answer to immigration could have been delivered long ago. conks didn't get serious about it until they realized Team Brown was projected to have a population surge and the dems beat them to the punch. Our vote is up for grabs...good luck.