Conks and Reproductive Rights, II

[Ibanez]

Actually, I know others' mileage differs with my own, but my moral objection to abortion begins when the fetus becomes viable and/or has been scientifically proven to be capable of pain and suffering

So I'm willing to meet women halfway on the abortion issue- suck those little clumpy globules out all you want

But there is a point beyond which I consider it killing and I think that right now, that 20 week gestational line is a good benchmark.

And yes I'm a man and fvck you I am entitled to an opinion on it just as men were entitled to opinions on the gassing of Jews

I am not far from where you stand...
The issue for me is always "is it capable of suffering" so animal rights / human rights / etc...
It's all about the capacity to suffer

Side Note:
In my opinion 20 weeks is LATE to have an abortion
Most women know they are pregnant within 8 weeks

I agree with my esteemed colleagues from Washington and Central America.

[89Hen]

CID and Cleets, this....

I'd love to hear your definition of a "person". I don't pretend to know the exact moment and that's why I'm against abortion at any point. How can you say at day 89 of a pregnancy it's OK, but at day 90 it's not? We're not talking about granting a driver's license or some other privilege where we arbitrarily set an age for granting that privilege, we're talking about THE most basic right... life.

How can you possibly come with a specific moment when it's no longer OK? Your stance puts you in a position where you have to do this.

Viability is a scientific limitation. What was not viable 20 years ago may be viable today. Even the definition of "viable" is up for debate. If you actually went to full term, gave birth and left the baby on a table with no care or attention, will it not die?

[Ibanez]

CID and Cleets, this....

I'd love to hear your definition of a "person". I don't pretend to know the exact moment and that's why I'm against abortion at any point. How can you say at day 89 of a pregnancy it's OK, but at day 90 it's not? We're not talking about granting a driver's license or some other privilege where we arbitrarily set an age for granting that privilege, we're talking about THE most basic right... life.

How can you possibly come with a specific moment when it's no longer OK? Your stance puts you in a position where you have to do this.

Viability is a scientific limitation. What was not viable 20 years ago may be viable today. Even the definition of "viable" is up for debate. If you actually went to full term, gave birth and left the baby on a table with no care or attention, will it not die?

There isn't an answer that would satisfy you so why bother?

[89Hen]

CID and Cleets, this....


How can you possibly come with a specific moment when it's no longer OK? Your stance puts you in a position where you have to do this.

Viability is a scientific limitation. What was not viable 20 years ago may be viable today. Even the definition of "viable" is up for debate. If you actually went to full term, gave birth and left the baby on a table with no care or attention, will it not die?

There isn't an answer that would satisfy you so why bother?

It's not me I'm worried about, it's the one being terminated a day before it's considered a person.

And I'm not actually asking for a day. I'm asking anyone on the other side to explain how it is OK at 11:59pm on one day and not one minute later. Doesn't matter what the day actually is.

[CID1990]

Actually, I know others' mileage differs with my own, but my moral objection to abortion begins when the fetus becomes viable and/or has been scientifically proven to be capable of pain and suffering

So I'm willing to meet women halfway on the abortion issue- suck those little clumpy globules out all you want

But there is a point beyond which I consider it killing and I think that right now, that 20 week gestational line is a good benchmark.

And yes I'm a man and fvck you I am entitled to an opinion on it just as men were entitled to opinions on the gassing of Jews

I am not far from where you stand...
The issue for me is always "is it capable of suffering" so animal rights / human rights / etc...
It's all about the capacity to suffer

Side Note:
In my opinion 20 weeks is LATE to have an abortion
Most women know they are pregnant within 8 weeks

I agree that 20 weeks is late, but that seems to be the current consensus compromise point. My tendency is to say less but I don't want to wage a war on wimmen or anything

[CAA Flagship]

Where do all of you stand on the second part of this issue?: Use of taxpayer money to fund abortions.

[CID1990]

Where do all of you stand on the second part of this issue?: Use of taxpayer money to fund abortions.

I would prefer to fund birth control

we already do that in most cases as it is - even Hobby Lobby does

But ignernt is ignernt and some of these brood mares down in the trailer park need them abortions or else we'll be paying more for prison cells

you gotta pick your poison

[Chizzang]

Where do all of you stand on the second part of this issue?: Use of taxpayer money to fund abortions.

I would prefer to fund birth control

we already do that in most cases as it is - even Hobby Lobby does

But ignernt is ignernt and some of these brood mares down in the trailer park need them abortions or else we'll be paying more for prison cells

you gotta pick your poison

We all paid for Christie's lap band surgery - so why not..?

[kalm]

Where do all of you stand on the second part of this issue?: Use of taxpayer money to fund abortions.

I would prefer to fund birth control

we already do that in most cases as it is - even Hobby Lobby does

But ignernt is ignernt and some of these brood mares down in the trailer park need them abortions or else we'll be paying more for prison cells

you gotta pick your poison

Yeah this.

[CID1990]

I would prefer to fund birth control

we already do that in most cases as it is - even Hobby Lobby does

But ignernt is ignernt and some of these brood mares down in the trailer park need them abortions or else we'll be paying more for prison cells

you gotta pick your poison

We all paid for Christie's lap band surgery - so why not..?

I opted out

[89Hen]

And so goes another abortion thread. Change the subject.

[Chizzang]

And so goes another abortion thread. Change the subject.

You're cute when you're angry...

[89Hen]

And so goes another abortion thread. Change the subject.

You're cute when you're angry...

More disappointed than angry. I don't have a dog in this fight, hopefully never will.

[CAA Flagship]

I would prefer to fund birth control

we already do that in most cases as it is - even Hobby Lobby does

But ignernt is ignernt and some of these brood mares down in the trailer park need them abortions or else we'll be paying more for prison cells

you gotta pick your poison

We all paid for Christie's lap band surgery - so why not..?

Do you want a healthy leader, or not?

[D1B]

CID and Cleets, this....

I'd love to hear your definition of a "person". I don't pretend to know the exact moment and that's why I'm against abortion at any point. How can you say at day 89 of a pregnancy it's OK, but at day 90 it's not? We're not talking about granting a driver's license or some other privilege where we arbitrarily set an age for granting that privilege, we're talking about THE most basic right... life.

How can you possibly come with a specific moment when it's no longer OK? Your stance puts you in a position where you have to do this.

Viability is a scientific limitation. What was not viable 20 years ago may be viable today. Even the definition of "viable" is up for debate. If you actually went to full term, gave birth and left the baby on a table with no care or attention, will it not die?

Nice red herring.

As long as the mother is carrying that kid, she should be able to do whatever the fuck she wants. It's her body and life.

Deal with it.

[kalm]

You're cute when you're angry...

More disappointed than angry. I don't have a dog in this fight, hopefully never will.

Doggy abortions should safe but rare.

[Ivytalk]

More disappointed than angry. I don't have a dog in this fight, hopefully never will.

Doggy abortions should safe but rare.

And who on this board will stand up for the reproductive rights of feral cats?

[89Hen]

CID and Cleets, this....


How can you possibly come with a specific moment when it's no longer OK? Your stance puts you in a position where you have to do this.

Viability is a scientific limitation. What was not viable 20 years ago may be viable today. Even the definition of "viable" is up for debate. If you actually went to full term, gave birth and left the baby on a table with no care or attention, will it not die?

Nice red herring.

As long as the mother is carrying that kid, she should be able to do whatever the fuck she wants. It's her body and life.

Deal with it.

[Ibanez]

Doggy abortions should safe but rare.

And who on this board will stand up for the reproductive rights of feral cats?

No. Spay or Neuter if captured.

[Cap'n Cat]

And that meme shows exactly why the pro-abortion folks don't get it.

Conk Disease - the inability to show or understand empathy. Usually caused by one dimensional thinking, lack of critical ethical inquiry and lack of creativity.

In this case, they have no clue that unwanted pregnancy is a scourge to women and often ruins their lives. Their black and white world view (a fetus is a person, therefore abortion is murder) is a cop out to avoid understanding tough, complex issues and doing the right thing, even if it's unpalatable to their checkbook or ravenous desire for power and control.

See also:

The death penalty
Gun control
Hispanic Immigration
Welfare
Women's rights
The war on drugs
The war on terror
Organized religion and separation of church and state
Taxes
Supply side economics and Ayn Rand
Homosexuality
The plight of the black man
The prison industrial complex
Military spending
Marijuana
The youth of America
The fine arts
.....and on and on and on.......

Conks - total fuckheads.

Post of the Year nominee.

[89Hen]

Conk Disease - the inability to show or understand empathy. Usually caused by one dimensional thinking, lack of critical ethical inquiry and lack of creativity.

In this case, they have no clue that unwanted pregnancy is a scourge to women and often ruins their lives. Their black and white world view (a fetus is a person, therefore abortion is murder) is a cop out to avoid understanding tough, complex issues and doing the right thing, even if it's unpalatable to their checkbook or ravenous desire for power and control.

See also:

The death penalty
Gun control
Hispanic Immigration
Welfare
Women's rights
The war on drugs
The war on terror
Organized religion and separation of church and state
Taxes
Supply side economics and Ayn Rand
Homosexuality
The plight of the black man
The prison industrial complex
Military spending
Marijuana
The youth of America
The fine arts
.....and on and on and on.......

Conks - total fuckheads.

Post of the Year nominee.

What next, you nominate a post from houndawg?

[Cap'n Cat]

Post of the Year nominee.

What next, you nominate a post from houndawg?

Already did. Where you been, Beaver?

[Grizalltheway]

What next, you nominate a post from houndawg?

Already did. Where you been, Beaver?

Harassing minorities outside of Planned Parenthood.

[Cap'n Cat]

Already did. Where you been, Beaver?

Harassing minorities outside of Planned Parenthood.

After denying them easy access to birth control because it's "immoral"......

[89Hen]

Already did. Where you been, Beaver?

Harassing minorities outside of Planned Parenthood.

Wrong. I encourage minorities to have abortions.