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No you're wrong. :nod:
:lol: See, this is how our government works thanks to pretentious, non-compromising dicks.
How come you can be so uncompromising on your stance that people need to compromise? :suspicious:
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There is a lot of bipartisan legislation that does happen in Congress and it almost always involves compromise on both sides.

I know the whole call for compromise has a touchy feely rainbows element to it, but if you are dealing with an issue that you feel will be depth charged by any compromise, then there are times when refusing to bend is as legitimate a strategy as compromise.

I vote for politicians who are going to use common sense. Not because I think they are going to compromise for compromise's sake.
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Cluck U wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
:lol: See, this is how our government works thanks to pretentious, non-compromising dicks.
How come you can be so uncompromising on your stance that people need to compromise? :suspicious:
My position is that compromise is necessary for things to run effectively. Gridlock accomplishes nothing. However, there are things that people feel are non negotiable, and I understand that. But give and take is what makes the world go around. Not all or nothing.
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CID1990 wrote:There is a lot of bipartisan legislation that does happen in Congress and it almost always involves compromise on both sides.

I know the whole call for compromise has a touchy feely rainbows element to it, but if you are dealing with an issue that you feel will be depth charged by any compromise, then there are times when refusing to bend is as legitimate a strategy as compromise.

I vote for politicians who are going to use common sense. Not because I think they are going to compromise for compromise's sake.
That's essentially what I'm stating.
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Ibanez wrote:
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No you're wrong. :nod:
:lol: See, this is how our government works thanks to pretentious, non-compromising dicks.
And look where "compromise" has gotten us.. :roll:

"Compromise" has given us runaway deficits. "Compromise" has left us buried in national debt that is well over 100% of GDP. Every year when the debt ceiling is hit instead of cutting spending to match revenues, they "compromise" with a raised debt ceiling and no REAL cuts in spending that's just kicks the can down the road.. :ohno:
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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
:lol: See, this is how our government works thanks to pretentious, non-compromising dicks.
And look where "compromise" has gotten us.. :roll:

"Compromise" has given us runaway deficits. "Compromise" has left us buried in national debt that is well over 100% of GDP. Every year when the debt ceiling is hit instead of cutting spending to match revenues, they "compromise" with a raised debt ceiling and no REAL cuts in spending that's just kicks the can down the road.. :ohno:
:ohno: Non-compromise has given us Obamacare.
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Ibanez wrote:
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And look where "compromise" has gotten us.. :roll:

"Compromise" has given us runaway deficits. "Compromise" has left us buried in national debt that is well over 100% of GDP. Every year when the debt ceiling is hit instead of cutting spending to match revenues, they "compromise" with a raised debt ceiling and no REAL cuts in spending that's just kicks the can down the road.. :ohno:
:ohno: Non-compromise has given us Obamacare.
Not true. The Democrats had to compromise with each other :nod: Therefore, Obamacare :(
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OL FU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :ohno: Non-compromise has given us Obamacare.
Not true. The Democrats had to compromise with each other :nod: Therefore, Obamacare :(
Yeah I was thinking - just ask Mary Landrieu in November if her ACA vote was a compromise. I think she'll say YES. :nod:
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Some of the posters on here are confusing moderate political views with indecisiveness...?
I can imagine a person who is politically moderate and might also be decisive in their regular daily life

No..?
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Speaking of moderates

heres a Dem I would vote for if he runs for Prez in a heartbeat

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/20 ... -jim-webb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Help me understand something...

If a politician has a strongly held belief (I don't care if it's left, right, up, down) and they refuse to compromise on that belief...is that bad???

If this same politician compromises on that strongly held belief...is that good???

For this question, it must be assumed that this politician has made this belief known during the campaign process, and the people who support this politician accepted that strongly held belief...
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Col Hogan wrote:Help me understand something...

If a politician has a strongly held belief (I don't care if it's left, right, up, down) and they refuse to compromise on that belief...is that bad???

If this same politician compromises on that strongly held belief...is that good???

For this question, it must be assumed that this politician has made this belief known during the campaign process, and the people who support this politician accepted that strongly held belief...
Sure. Because beliefs can be amoral, unconstitutional, undemocratic, anti liberty, and just simply wrong. Occasionally, politicians evolve their beliefs and change their minds. Being open minded enough to accept an opposing view and change your mind should be a positive thing. BDK would call this being a pussy.
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Chizzang wrote:Some of the posters on here are confusing moderate political views with indecisiveness...?
I can imagine a person who is politically moderate and might also be decisive in their regular daily life

No..?
Again…indecisiveness is for pussies.
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kalm wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:Help me understand something...

If a politician has a strongly held belief (I don't care if it's left, right, up, down) and they refuse to compromise on that belief...is that bad???

If this same politician compromises on that strongly held belief...is that good???

For this question, it must be assumed that this politician has made this belief known during the campaign process, and the people who support this politician accepted that strongly held belief...
Sure. Because beliefs can be amoral, unconstitutional, undemocratic, anti liberty, and just simply wrong. Occasionally, politicians evolve their beliefs and change their minds. Being open minded enough to accept an opposing view and change your mind should be a positive thing. BDK would call this being a pussy.
Believing something and sticking to your guns isn't necessarily bad. Refusing to even hear what others have to say and not respecting their beliefs and their right to have them is bad. I for one don't think that Congressional gridlock is a bad thing.
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CID1990 wrote:Speaking of moderates

heres a Dem I would vote for if he runs for Prez in a heartbeat

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/20 ... -jim-webb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Why? Webb was one of the least effective Senators in getting sponsored bills passed; he voted with his party 89% of the time; and he buggered off after 6 years. But for George Allen's gaffes, he never would have been elected. Hardly solid leadership credentials, with all due respect to his military record. And we all know who the last one-term Senator to win the Presidency was. :roll:
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Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Speaking of moderates

heres a Dem I would vote for if he runs for Prez in a heartbeat

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/20 ... -jim-webb/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Why? Webb was one of the least effective Senators in getting sponsored bills passed; he voted with his party 89% of the time; and he buggered off after 6 years. But for George Allen's gaffes, he never would have been elected. Hardly solid leadership credentials, with all due respect to his military record. And we all know who the last one-term Senator to win the Presidency was. :roll:
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kalm wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: Why? Webb was one of the least effective Senators in getting sponsored bills passed; he voted with his party 89% of the time; and he buggered off after 6 years. But for George Allen's gaffes, he never would have been elected. Hardly solid leadership credentials, with all due respect to his military record. And we all know who the last one-term Senator to win the Presidency was. :roll:
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Col Hogan wrote:Help me understand something...

If a politician has a strongly held belief (I don't care if it's left, right, up, down) and they refuse to compromise on that belief...is that bad???

If this same politician compromises on that strongly held belief...is that good???

For this question, it must be assumed that this politician has made this belief known during the campaign process, and the people who support this politician accepted that strongly held belief...
Ah... yes

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Ibanez wrote:
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How come you can be so uncompromising on your stance that people need to compromise? :suspicious:
My position is that compromise is necessary for things to run effectively. Gridlock accomplishes nothing. However, there are things that people feel are non negotiable, and I understand that. But give and take is what makes the world go around. Not all or nothing.
It keeps Congress from causing more destruction than they already do. Gridlock happens the most when you have a split Congress, or Congress held by one party and the WH by another. A party having the WH and a supermajority in Congress will be less gridlock. Well look what happened the last time that was (2009-2010)- Obamacare was passed. Now if we'd had divided govt then-true gridlock, then there would be no Obamacare.

A govt that does the leastest is the bestest. Gridlock is good. :nod:
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