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It should be cut by 1/3.
1/3 seems quite arbitrary. What would you cut? OTHER THAN THE F-35?

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I find it funny and confusing that people like you, that have been brainwashed into thinking the military is a bad thing can't see the irony when it comes to jobs and people doing them. You want people willing to work and do a job to lose their jobs so you can shovel more money to people that won't work and add nothing to this country they are bio-boat anchors. :ohno:

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Wow, those are tiny DoD contracts. I'm about to award a $70M one here in a few weeks. Can't say who's getting it.

And my contract is pretty tiny in the grand scheme of things. I let a $545M contract at DISA.
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BlueHen86 wrote:I think we should make all welfare recipients enlist in the Army. Once that is done, we should invade Iraq again. Only this time we never withdraw our forces.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I find it funny and confusing that people like you, that have been brainwashed into thinking the military is a bad thing can't see the irony when it comes to jobs and people doing them. You want people willing to work and do a job to lose their jobs so you can shovel more money to people that won't work and add nothing to this country they are bio-boat anchors. :ohno:

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No one is hating the Military. I hate the fac that they blow money of crap they will never buy. Look at the M-16/M4 test that took damn near 10 years to do and they went back to Colt. The DOD know they were going to give the contract to Colt from the start. Why did they screw around with H&K. Giving them a since that they could have won the contract?? This is why I hate the DOD. The H&K proved to be the better weapon, but the DOD went back to Colt. I wonder Why?? Can someone answer this question????
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mrklean wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I find it funny and confusing that people like you, that have been brainwashed into thinking the military is a bad thing can't see the irony when it comes to jobs and people doing them. You want people willing to work and do a job to lose their jobs so you can shovel more money to people that won't work and add nothing to this country they are bio-boat anchors. :ohno:

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No one is hating the Military. I hate the fac that they blow money of crap they will never buy. Look at the M-16/M4 test that took damn near 10 years to do and they went back to Colt. The DOD know they were going to give the contract to Colt from the start. Why did they screw around with H&K. Giving them a since that they could have won the contract?? This is why I hate the DOD. The H&K proved to be the better weapon, but the DOD went back to Colt. I wonder Why?? Can someone answer this question????
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mrklean wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I find it funny and confusing that people like you, that have been brainwashed into thinking the military is a bad thing can't see the irony when it comes to jobs and people doing them. You want people willing to work and do a job to lose their jobs so you can shovel more money to people that won't work and add nothing to this country they are bio-boat anchors. :ohno:

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No one is hating the Military. I hate the fac that they blow money of crap they will never buy. Look at the M-16/M4 test that took damn near 10 years to do and they went back to Colt. The DOD know they were going to give the contract to Colt from the start. Why did they screw around with H&K. Giving them a since that they could have won the contract?? This is why I hate the DOD. The H&K proved to be the better weapon, but the DOD went back to Colt. I wonder Why?? Can someone answer this question????
American company?

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
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No one is hating the Military. I hate the fac that they blow money of crap they will never buy. Look at the M-16/M4 test that took damn near 10 years to do and they went back to Colt. The DOD know they were going to give the contract to Colt from the start. Why did they screw around with H&K. Giving them a since that they could have won the contract?? This is why I hate the DOD. The H&K proved to be the better weapon, but the DOD went back to Colt. I wonder Why?? Can someone answer this question????
American company?

:coffee:
They all have US subsidiaries. FN Herstal, for instance, has a huge plant in Columbia, SC. That's where they build SAWs, M-240s, SCARs, etc.
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mrklean wrote:I wonder Why?? Can someone answer this question????
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
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No one is hating the Military. I hate the fac that they blow money of crap they will never buy. Look at the M-16/M4 test that took damn near 10 years to do and they went back to Colt. The DOD know they were going to give the contract to Colt from the start. Why did they screw around with H&K. Giving them a since that they could have won the contract?? This is why I hate the DOD. The H&K proved to be the better weapon, but the DOD went back to Colt. I wonder Why?? Can someone answer this question????
American company?

:coffee:

So you telling me that the the DOD can't use H&K because its a German Company? How is this American???
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So you telling me that the the DOD can't use H&K because its a German Company? How is this American???
I was just saying that maybe the military wants to keep using American products from an American company, not everyone wants to get rid of American jobs like you would by cutting the military.

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
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So you telling me that the the DOD can't use H&K because its a German Company? How is this American???
I was just saying that maybe the military wants to keep using American products from an American company, not everyone wants to get rid of American jobs like you would by cutting the military.

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H&K has a factory in VA, 100% Americans. Next excuse :coffee:
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mrklean wrote:
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I was just saying that maybe the military wants to keep using American products from an American company, not everyone wants to get rid of American jobs like you would by cutting the military.

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H&K has a factory in VA, 100% Americans. Next excuse :coffee:
To Alhphies point, it's still a German company. :dunce:

I would venture to say that through cost, specifications, etc.. all played a role. Just because something is great, doesn't mean it's affordable or practical. :twocents:
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Ibanez wrote:
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H&K has a factory in VA, 100% Americans. Next excuse :coffee:
To Alhphies point, it's still a German company. :dunce:

I would venture to say that through cost, specifications, etc.. all played a role. Just because something is great, doesn't mean it's affordable or practical. :twocents:

OK, since you work in this field. Please explain this. Why would the Government have a ten year study, only to go back with the company they have used for 40 years. IF you look at the reports from the field. 80% of the troops would rather have the H&K than the Colt M4.
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mrklean wrote:
Ibanez wrote: To Alhphies point, it's still a German company. :dunce:

I would venture to say that through cost, specifications, etc.. all played a role. Just because something is great, doesn't mean it's affordable or practical. :twocents:

OK, since you work in this field. Please explain this. Why would the Government have a ten year study, only to go back with the company they have used for 40 years. IF you look at the reports from the field. 80% of the troops would rather have the H&K than the Colt M4.
:roll: Was it affordable and practical? Really, that broadly covers everything (almost everything.)
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Ibanez wrote:
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OK, since you work in this field. Please explain this. Why would the Government have a ten year study, only to go back with the company they have used for 40 years. IF you look at the reports from the field. 80% of the troops would rather have the H&K than the Colt M4.
:roll: Was it affordable and practical? Really, that broadly covers everything (almost everything.)
YEAH, sorry my bad. I deserve that one. We are taking about the DOD :ohno:
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mrklean wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :roll: Was it affordable and practical? Really, that broadly covers everything (almost everything.)
YEAH, sorry my bad. I deserve that one. We are taking about the DOD :ohno:
There's truth in that, but you have to think about it for a cost (present and future) standpoint.
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YEAH, sorry my bad. I deserve that one. We are taking about the DOD :ohno:
There's truth in that, but you have to think about it for a cost (present and future) standpoint.
So you are telling me that Colt will always have the contract. I don't see it the near future.
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mrklean wrote:
Ibanez wrote: There's truth in that, but you have to think about it for a cost (present and future) standpoint.
So you are telling me that Colt will always have the contract. I don't see it the near future.
No, that isn't what i'm saying. What is the business case for choosing the H&K over the Colt.
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So you are telling me that Colt will always have the contract. I don't see it the near future.
No, that isn't what i'm saying. What is the business case for choosing the H&K over the Colt.
Overall better weapon. This is what the ten year test project was all about. Look up the test results on the H&K 416 vs. the Colt M4.
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mrklean wrote:
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No, that isn't what i'm saying. What is the business case for choosing the H&K over the Colt.
Overall better weapon. This is what the ten year test project was all about. Look up the test results on the H&K 416 vs. the Colt M4.
I won't because I don't care.
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Overall better weapon. This is what the ten year test project was all about. Look up the test results on the H&K 416 vs. the Colt M4.
I won't because I don't care.
You don't care about this but you Bitch about Obamacare? OK :roll:
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I won't because I don't care.
You don't care about this but you Bitch about Obamacare? OK :roll:
Wow, that's a leap. I don't care about a purchase/contract that was executed 10+ years ago. That has no bearing on the problems with the Affordable Care Act. Why don't you read the reports from last summer as to why the D0D is sticking with the M4.
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I won't because I don't care.
You don't care about this but you Bitch about Obamacare? OK :roll:
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
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No one is hating the Military. I hate the fac that they blow money of crap they will never buy. Look at the M-16/M4 test that took damn near 10 years to do and they went back to Colt. The DOD know they were going to give the contract to Colt from the start. Why did they screw around with H&K. Giving them a since that they could have won the contract?? This is why I hate the DOD. The H&K proved to be the better weapon, but the DOD went back to Colt. I wonder Why?? Can someone answer this question????
American company?

:coffee:
that piece of crap M9 Beretta isn't American
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