Vatican continues to avoid accountability

[JoltinJoe]

Chizzang, the laziest intellect ever.

The question of God is the "most important" question mankind faces.

But since we can't know anything about God, anyone who expresses a faith in God is "committed" and "foolish."

No wonder the guy flunked out of Harvard.

[JoltinJoe]

Yeah. POD is the reincarnation of Cobblestone just making **** up.

Maybe POD, now outed as a fraud, will throw a hissy fit and leave, like Cobblestone did?

Or how about that 6.93 guy who made up the story about the bishop who excommunicated his relatives because they were using birth control? Remember how we cornered him on that story? Too funny when we narrowed him down on the "facts" he was alleging, and then revealed that, given the allegations he was making, the "bishop" in question would have had to have been Cardinal George, then the top American member of the clergy. Yea, Cardinal George was teaching some post-Cana class in a Chicago suburb.

[dbackjon]

Accountability...ain't just a river in Egypt...





http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/catholi ... attackers/

Good for them.

The law in question that "makes it easier for victims of child sex abuse to sue their attackers," is actually a law to abolish the Statute of Limitations.

Statutes of Limitation exist to protect procedural and substantive fairness. Any law that abolishes the statute of limitations is regressive and, in this case, discriminatory.

So there should be a Statute of Limitations on all crimes?

[Chizzang]

Chizzang, the laziest intellect ever.

The question of God is the "most important" question mankind faces.

But since we can't know anything about God, anyone who expresses a faith in God is "committed" and "foolish."

No wonder the guy flunked out of Harvard.

close Joe...
I like where you're going

Firstly:
Yes God is the single most important question
and it is for several reasons - not just the spiritual aspect and/or metaphysical
But also because of how we wrestles with Islam - Dark age shenanigans in the modern world

Secondly:
I said committed - I never said foolish
You do a disservice to your point by lying and misleading Joe
(Try to be more honest)

It's difficult to discuss something as complicated as the whole of Catholicism
with a "committed" individual - the conversation is already over before it begins

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

you're

[JoltinJoe]

Good for them.

The law in question that "makes it easier for victims of child sex abuse to sue their attackers," is actually a law to abolish the Statute of Limitations.

Statutes of Limitation exist to protect procedural and substantive fairness. Any law that abolishes the statute of limitations is regressive and, in this case, discriminatory.

So there should be a Statute of Limitations on all crimes?

This law concerns civil suits -- not criminal proceedings.

Statutes of limitations for crimes involve different policy concerns.

[kalm]

So there should be a Statute of Limitations on all crimes?

This law concerns civil suits -- not criminal proceedings.

Statutes of limitations for crimes involve different policy concerns.

Phew! I'm glad the church is spending millions to defend the ideals of procedural and substantive fairness in civil suits. If it had been criminal law, that would have been bullshit!!!

[JoltinJoe]

This law concerns civil suits -- not criminal proceedings.

Statutes of limitations for crimes involve different policy concerns.

Phew! I'm glad the church is spending millions to defend the ideals of procedural and substantive fairness in civil suits. If it had been criminal law, that would have been bullshit!!!

What the Church is fighting to preserve is its inner-city schools that provide a great education for students that others don't care about; its soup kitchens that feed the hungry; and it's shelters that take in the poor, the homeless, the abused.

Church resources are strained enough. I'd rather see the money it has go toward its charitable mission than line the pockets of attorneys.

[andy7171]

We don't care about all the good the Church is doing! Just the minuscule bad!!!!!


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[kalm]

We don't care about all the good the Church is doing! Just the minuscule bad!!!!!


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That's honestly a fair point you and Joe are making.

[JoltinJoe]

Chizzang, the laziest intellect ever.

The question of God is the "most important" question mankind faces.

But since we can't know anything about God, anyone who expresses a faith in God is "committed" and "foolish."

No wonder the guy flunked out of Harvard.

close Joe...
I like where you're going

Firstly:
Yes God is the single most important question
and it is for several reasons - not just the spiritual aspect and/or metaphysical
But also because of how we wrestles with Islam - Dark age shenanigans in the modern world

Secondly:
I said committed - I never said foolish
You do a disservice to your point by lying and misleading Joe
(Try to be more honest)

It's difficult to discuss something as complicated as the whole of Catholicism
with a "committed" individual - the conversation is already over before it begins

Maybe you didn't say foolish, but you have plainly implied it. But I'll accept your retraction of your implicit charge.

I'll be the first to say that there is a lot of bureaucracy in any large organization. And with 1.2 billion adherents, Catholicism is one of the world's largest organizations, and therefore one of the largest bureaucracies.

But this is the point a "committed" outsider, repulsed by the bureaucracy, doesn't understand. In those moments of life of deepest despair, or gravest loss, that any individual can experience, the Catholic Church works at its absolute finest, and is probably better than any other institution in the world.

So maybe this will help you understand, despite all the flaws of a large, world-wide organization -- run by imperfect men who themselves frequently get caught up in all the bureaucracy and rules they make up; and, frequently make cowardly decisions that turn out horribly and look even worse in retrospect -- people remain faithful to the Church. No matter what, at its core, the light of Christ shines.

[Chizzang]

close Joe...
I like where you're going

Firstly:
Yes God is the single most important question
and it is for several reasons - not just the spiritual aspect and/or metaphysical
But also because of how we wrestles with Islam - Dark age shenanigans in the modern world

Secondly:
I said committed - I never said foolish
You do a disservice to your point by lying and misleading Joe
(Try to be more honest)

It's difficult to discuss something as complicated as the whole of Catholicism
with a "committed" individual - the conversation is already over before it begins

Maybe you didn't say foolish, but you have plainly implied it. But I'll accept your retraction of your implicit charge.

I'll be the first to say that there is a lot of bureaucracy in any large organization. And with 1.2 billion adherents, Catholicism is one of the world's largest organizations, and therefore one of the largest bureaucracies.

But this is the point a "committed" outsider, repulsed by the bureaucracy, doesn't understand. In those moments of life of deepest despair, or gravest loss, that any individual can experience, the Catholic Church works at its absolute finest, and is probably better than any other institution in the world.

So maybe this will help you understand, despite all the flaws of a large, world-wide organization -- run by imperfect men who themselves frequently get caught up in all the bureaucracy and rules they make up; and, frequently make cowardly decisions that turn out horribly and look even worse in retrospect -- people remain faithful to the Church. No matter what, at its core, the light of Christ shines.

Okee Dokee... I get it
It was important for humans to make up answers for things they didn't understand about the world
We are surrounded by the mysteries of life

Answers make us feel better
Even bullsh!t answers derived from nonsense can still have a soothing effect

Like this for example:


How the world was made
and our role in the greater universe - life after death - Immortal souls and so forth
These are serious questions that require a little more honesty than just making it up
But we all have to do what works for us

[kalm]

Maybe you didn't say foolish, but you have plainly implied it. But I'll accept your retraction of your implicit charge.

I'll be the first to say that there is a lot of bureaucracy in any large organization. And with 1.2 billion adherents, Catholicism is one of the world's largest organizations, and therefore one of the largest bureaucracies.

But this is the point a "committed" outsider, repulsed by the bureaucracy, doesn't understand. In those moments of life of deepest despair, or gravest loss, that any individual can experience, the Catholic Church works at its absolute finest, and is probably better than any other institution in the world.

So maybe this will help you understand, despite all the flaws of a large, world-wide organization -- run by imperfect men who themselves frequently get caught up in all the bureaucracy and rules they make up; and, frequently make cowardly decisions that turn out horribly and look even worse in retrospect -- people remain faithful to the Church. No matter what, at its core, the light of Christ shines.

Okee Dokee... I get it
It was important for humans to make up answers for things they didn't understand about the world
We are surrounded by the mysteries of life

Answers make us feel better
Even bullsh!t answers derived from nonsense can still have a soothing effect

Like this for example:


How the world was made
and our role in the greater universe - life after death - Immortal souls and so forth
These are serious questions that require a little more honesty than just making it up
But we all have to do what works for us

[andy7171]

What made up answers are we talking about?

[Chizzang]

What made up answers are we talking about?

It's probably easier to start with what's actually NOT made up... and go from there

[andy7171]

What made up answers are we talking about?

It's probably easier to start with what's actually NOT made up... and go from there

OK, thanks for answering a direct question.

[kalm]

What made up answers are we talking about?

Noah's Ark?

[bandl]

What made up answers are we talking about?

Blacks have bigger dicks
Asians are smarter
Women know how to drive

What's the question?

[andy7171]

What made up answers are we talking about?

Noah's Ark?

Take that up with JMU_DJ, I'm of the New Covenant.

[andy7171]

What made up answers are we talking about?

Blacks have bigger dicks
Asians are smarter
Women know how to drive

What's the question?

"Why does Cleets have to be smarmily vague all the time?"

[Chizzang]

It's probably easier to start with what's actually NOT made up... and go from there

OK, thanks for answering a direct question.

Okay... What's a saint
Does Jesus tell us about Gods relationship with saints..?
and the myriad of other entirely concocted from nonsense paraphernalia that Jesus had nothing to do with

It's a really really LONG list of things that are attached to Catholicism
that has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus - and is just "made up" stuff



So like I said its much easier to discuss what is not fabricated extra stuff

[Grizalltheway]

It's probably easier to start with what's actually NOT made up... and go from there

OK, thanks for answering a direct question.

You could have just actually read his post addressing that.

Or was the hot dog analogy a little too deep?

[andy7171]

OK, thanks for answering a direct question.

Okay... What's a saint
Does Jesus tell us about Gods relationship with saints..?
and the myriad of other entirely concocted from nonsense paraphernalia that Jesus had nothing to do with

It's a really really LONG list of things that are attached to Catholicism
that has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus - and is just "made up" stuff



So like I said its much easier to discuss what is not fabricated extra stuff

Jesus never talked about Saints, because there weren't any.
Saints are regular people who lived and acted as Jesus would have, and we pray for them to pray for us. Because they figured shit out and stuff.

[bandl]

Or was the hot dog analogy a little too deep?

I honestly think that's Cleet's best piece of work here. Ever.

He just went up a notch in my book.

[Chizzang]

Okay... What's a saint
Does Jesus tell us about Gods relationship with saints..?
and the myriad of other entirely concocted from nonsense paraphernalia that Jesus had nothing to do with

It's a really really LONG list of things that are attached to Catholicism
that has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus - and is just "made up" stuff



So like I said its much easier to discuss what is not fabricated extra stuff

Jesus never talked about Saints, because there weren't any.
Saints are regular people who lived and acted as Jesus would have, and we pray for them to pray for us. Because they figured shit out and stuff.

Thank you for confirming my point...