Baldy wrote:No, you're just a walking...talking contradiction. That's really what you are. (sorry)Chizzang wrote:
Um... Oh Bald One
I have repeated (over and over) and I see I have to say it again (and probably again later)
We don't have a tax revenue problem in this country - we have a spending problem
And I've NEVER complained about corporations taking advantage of OUR tax loopholes
What I've complained about is why they get them and I (Citizen Chizzang) do not get as many loopholes
That's a HUGE difference and far too subtle for your conservative nugget to grasp apparently
You're the hypocrite here Baldy (but I'm enjoying watching you try to nuzzle out of it)
OK, you have NEVER (ever?) complained about loopholes, you just want them eliminated, right?Chizzang wrote: I would like to point out that I am an advocate for the elimination of all energy subsidies, breaks, loopholes, incentives, and what have you, from oil and natural gas to wind and solar alike — because they all serve niche interests, distort free market signals, and further encumber our tax code.
What Liberals (such as myself) always conveniently neglect to mention about the attractive idea of eliminating oil company tax breaks - is that without an accompanying decrease in across-the-board rates, it’s really just a dysfunctional way of hiking taxes.... (am I right) Which is of course the goal
Liberals (such as myself) don’t want revenue neutrality
Secretly we want more revenue to pay for big-government stuff
and if anybody is honestly convinced that those (effective) tax hikes would come from the fat cats ill gotten gains rather than the backs of everyday consumers (which is, I might add, is everybody) they’re simply delusional...
That's why I say:
Gas should be $8 bucks a gallon
Also (if you can find the time) please explain the difference between us "not having a revenue problem" and "wanting more revenue to pay for big-government stuff".
Just type slowly so my free market libertarian (small L) nugget can understand....please.
To your credit, you're probably much better at this game over on your own board...
Baldy Nice try...
That was a completely OUT OF CONTEXT quote you selected
It was a devils advocate quote from me to show that we BUY DOWN prices with Loopholes
and buying down Fuel prices is why we pay $3.75 a gallon and not $8.75 a gallon
Followed by this quote from the same thread:
I think you didn't quite understand my post...
removing ALL Oil and Energy subsidies funds loopholes and giveaways across the board would give us a truer picture of the real cost of gas at the pump and indeed hit the poor the hardest (agreed)
But artificially buying down the price of gas (for the last 50 years) has created a huge cushion for the automotive industry / an industry in which America is now no longer competitive / If Americans didn't buy "American" due to guilt and misplaced pride the U.S. automobile industry would be gone in a month
Buying down fuel prices has radically stunted mass-transit growth
we are now a giant country with virtually no effective ground mass-transportation system in place
Far too many (damn near every) American MUST own a car to be properly employed
Thus trapped in the cycle of buy-down fuel prices
Buying down fuel real costs has artificially lowered food storage and food transportation
creating a HUGE fast food Nation and slowly destroyed short range local food distribution
I could go on and on and on...
artificially buying down gas at the pump and buying down fuel costs has changed the face of this country
and had a huge range of implications and NOT always for the better
please stand by
Are their Gay Republicans..?
at Baldy taking a beating on his own thread.