America: World Police...Fuck Yeah!!

[kalm]

This is usually the part where Ivytalk calls me a "Cassandra" and dismisses me with a classic French mans wave and a "Pfft" sound... while rolling his eyes

Did I capture that image for you guys..?

BUT:
Why should this event surprise ANYBODY in the whole industrial world..?
That Oil was extracted by the companies (Royal Dutch Shell / Exxon Mobil / Saudi Aramco) that our military actually works for / all evidence for the past 40 years confirms this / over and over again

You know, you're only allotted 50 posts where you beat this dead horse and then I get to point something out for you.

Protecting commerce is one of the primary traditional functions of organized militaries since the days of the ancient Greeks. Defending the home turf is number one, but usually when the army is shooting its bows and arrows or cannons it is in defense of trade routes and protecting Country A's ability to safely see its goods into Country B's harbor. It has always been so.

Heck, even an amateur student of military history knows Alfred Thayer Mahan. Go have a look- the sole purpose of a blue water navy is keeping open the "sea lanes" of commerce and communication.

You're tilting at a windmill as if it is some kind of aberration, when in fact it is precisely the function of militaries since time immemorial.

Now, we can find issues with the fact that the US has volunteered to to hundreds of other countries' dirty work for them (thus sparing them the expense), and I'd be right with you on that. I would also be right there with you in calling out the neoconservatives and their liberal interventionist bedfellows when they claim this intervention or that intervention is for freedom and democracy.

But let's don't go all Spandos over something that isnt news- countries use their militaries to protect commerce as a matter of policy and there is no need to hide it because it has been written doctrine for hundreds of years.

And we and other nations have crossed the line between protecting a nation's interests and corporate greed many times. I assume you'd agree with this? Not to mention government picking winners and losers in the marketplace or the commingling of government and business interests which can go by another name.

Just because it exists doesn't mean it's a positive in the long term, right?

[UNI88]

You know, you're only allotted 50 posts where you beat this dead horse and then I get to point something out for you.

Protecting commerce is one of the primary traditional functions of organized militaries since the days of the ancient Greeks. Defending the home turf is number one, but usually when the army is shooting its bows and arrows or cannons it is in defense of trade routes and protecting Country A's ability to safely see its goods into Country B's harbor. It has always been so.

Heck, even an amateur student of military history knows Alfred Thayer Mahan. Go have a look- the sole purpose of a blue water navy is keeping open the "sea lanes" of commerce and communication.

You're tilting at a windmill as if it is some kind of aberration, when in fact it is precisely the function of militaries since time immemorial.

Now, we can find issues with the fact that the US has volunteered to to hundreds of other countries' dirty work for them (thus sparing them the expense), and I'd be right with you on that. I would also be right there with you in calling out the neoconservatives and their liberal interventionist bedfellows when they claim this intervention or that intervention is for freedom and democracy.

But let's don't go all Spandos over something that isnt news- countries use their militaries to protect commerce as a matter of policy and there is no need to hide it because it has been written doctrine for hundreds of years.

And we and other nations have crossed the line between protecting a nation's interests and corporate greed many times. I assume you'd agree with this? Not to mention government picking winners and losers in the marketplace or the commingling of government and business interests which can go by another name.

Just because it exists doesn't mean it's a positive in the long term, right?

Protecting the lanes of commerce is in the nation and the worlds best interests. I'll admit that crossing over the line into protecting corporate greed isn't but let me ask you a related question: What would be worse, protecting commerce knowing that your efforts can and will be subverted to protecting corporate interests or not protecting commerce at all?

[Chizzang]

So I guess you guys can argue both sides of this successfully without blushing..?
We over threw Central American governments to control resources and set trade standards
How can you talk about free market without smiling..?

We already force the OPEC nations to trade their oil from their soil in U.S. Funds so Instead of creating demand for their own currency - they create demand for U.S. dollars

We extract the Oil for them
(when I say "we" I mean the government paramilitary arm called Royal Dutch Shell / Exxon Mobil etc.)

free market (now keep a straight face when you say that)

Shall I go on - or is this too Spandos for you already ?

[mrklean]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/17 ... ya-tanker/

Man, if this doesn't spell out America's agenda I don't know what does. Using US Military SpecOps forces to board and raid a LIBYAN vessel full of.....wait for it.......OIL, at the request of the Libyan and Cypriot governments.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Navy SEALs have boarded and taken command of an oil tanker that was seized by three armed men at a Libyan port earlier this month, thwarting an attempt by a splinter militia group from selling nationalized Libyan oil on the black market.

A Pentagon spokesman said that the operation was carried out Sunday night on orders from President Obama in international waters southeast of Cyprus at the request of the Libyan and Cypriot governments. There were no casualties. The USS Roosevelt provided an embarkation point for the SEALs as well as helicopter support and served as a command and control and support platform.

"The Morning Glory is carrying a cargo of oil owned by the Libyan government National Oil Company. The ship and its cargo were illicitly obtained from the Libyan port of As-Sidra," Rear Adm. John Kirby's statement read in part.

The tanker had previously eluded a Libyan naval blockade around the port of Sidra, which is being held by militias who are demanding autonomy for eastern Libya. The maneuver led to the dismissal of Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan by that country's parliament last week.

This past August, the rebels had seized three export terminals in the port that previously accounted for 700,000 barrels of oil per day. The struggle for control of Libya's oil wealth has been one of the main sources of strife in the country since the overthrow of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011.

The ship was docked at the port under the flag of North Korea, but officials in Pyongyang told the Associated Press they had canceled the vessel's registration after being notified that the tanker had been loaded for export in defiance of the authorities in Tripoli.

The Pentagon said that a team of sailors will take the tanker to a Libyan port. The Cypriot ministry of foreign affairs told Reuters that the vessel was heading west in the Mediterranean Sea with a U.S. military escort.

It was the second time in six months that U.S. forces had carried out an operation involving Libya. In October, a group of commandos from the U.S. Army's Delta Force captured Al Qaeda leader Nazih Abdul-Hamed al-Ruqai, known by his alias Anas al-Libi, who had been wanted in connection with the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Nowhere in there does it say act as world police, ensure the continued flow of oil, or serve as surrogate forces for issues involving other countries that should be of NO concern to us.

As a Naval Officer, I believe I would have had to refuse that order from the President as being an unlawful one. How do you explain to the parents of these men (had one or more been killed) that their sons died for a ship full of **** OIL.

You are so full of SHIT!
You would have carried out your order just like every other Officer.

[YoUDeeMan]

So I guess you guys can argue both sides of this successfully without blushing..?
We over threw Central American governments to control resources and set trade standards
How can you talk about free market without smiling..?

We already force the OPEC nations to trade their oil from their soil in U.S. Funds so Instead of creating demand for their own currency - they create demand for U.S. dollars

We extract the Oil for them
(when I say "we" I mean the government paramilitary arm called Royal Dutch Shell / Exxon Mobil etc.)

free market (now keep a straight face when you say that)

Shall I go on - or is this too Spandos for you already ?

Those pesky little details...

[kalm]

And we and other nations have crossed the line between protecting a nation's interests and corporate greed many times. I assume you'd agree with this? Not to mention government picking winners and losers in the marketplace or the commingling of government and business interests which can go by another name.

Just because it exists doesn't mean it's a positive in the long term, right?

Protecting the lanes of commerce is in the nation and the worlds best interests. I'll admit that crossing over the line into protecting corporate greed isn't but let me ask you a related question: What would be worse, protecting commerce knowing that your efforts can and will be subverted to protecting corporate interests or not protecting commerce at all?

Good point. The problem of course being that an industry like oil then gets advantages directly from government that other businesses don't. If oil was priced appropriately, we'd be paying over $10/gallon and electric cars would be selling like hot cakes. And don't think for one second that the oil industry doesn't love these states that ban direct sales of cars so that Tesla gets screwed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've financially backed auto lobby groups and state reps that pushed the legislation.

Also, see Chizzy's excellent post above.

[AZGrizFan]

Protecting the lanes of commerce is in the nation and the worlds best interests. I'll admit that crossing over the line into protecting corporate greed isn't but let me ask you a related question: What would be worse, protecting commerce knowing that your efforts can and will be subverted to protecting corporate interests or not protecting commerce at all?

Good point. The problem of course being that an industry like oil then gets advantages directly from government that other businesses don't. If oil was priced appropriately, we'd be paying over $10/gallon and electric cars would be selling like hot cakes. And don't think for one second that the oil industry doesn't love these states that ban direct sales of cars so that Tesla gets screwed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've financially backed auto lobby groups and state reps that pushed the legislation.

Also, see Chizzy's excellent post above.

One could argue that almost EVERY business (in existence) benefits from gas not being $10/gallon.

[kalm]

Good point. The problem of course being that an industry like oil then gets advantages directly from government that other businesses don't. If oil was priced appropriately, we'd be paying over $10/gallon and electric cars would be selling like hot cakes. And don't think for one second that the oil industry doesn't love these states that ban direct sales of cars so that Tesla gets screwed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've financially backed auto lobby groups and state reps that pushed the legislation.

Also, see Chizzy's excellent post above.

One could argue that almost EVERY business (in existence) benefits from gas not being $10/gallon.

Sure. And it's semi-socialistic other than the massive profits skimmed off the top.

[CID1990]

Good point. The problem of course being that an industry like oil then gets advantages directly from government that other businesses don't. If oil was priced appropriately, we'd be paying over $10/gallon and electric cars would be selling like hot cakes. And don't think for one second that the oil industry doesn't love these states that ban direct sales of cars so that Tesla gets screwed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've financially backed auto lobby groups and state reps that pushed the legislation.

Also, see Chizzy's excellent post above.

One could argue that almost EVERY business (in existence) benefits from gas not being $10/gallon.

That's the funny thing about flimsy arguments.

You spill a gallon of ink only to be felled by a simple one sentence reply.

[kalm]

One could argue that almost EVERY business (in existence) benefits from gas not being $10/gallon.

That's the funny thing about flimsy arguments.

You spill a gallon of ink only to be felled by a simple one sentence reply.

I know black and white is easier, but what about my post do you disagree with?

[CID1990]

That's the funny thing about flimsy arguments.

You spill a gallon of ink only to be felled by a simple one sentence reply.

I know black and white is easier, but what about my post do you disagree with?

Asks the guy who chuckles about having trolled people.

[BDKJMU]

Protecting the lanes of commerce is in the nation and the worlds best interests. I'll admit that crossing over the line into protecting corporate greed isn't but let me ask you a related question: What would be worse, protecting commerce knowing that your efforts can and will be subverted to protecting corporate interests or not protecting commerce at all?

Good point. The problem of course being that an industry like oil then gets advantages directly from government that other businesses don't. If oil was priced appropriately, we'd be paying over $10/gallon and electric cars would be selling like hot cakes. And don't think for one second that the oil industry doesn't love these states that ban direct sales of cars so that Tesla gets screwed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've financially backed auto lobby groups and state reps that pushed the legislation.

Also, see Chizzy's excellent post above.

Link?

[kalm]

Good point. The problem of course being that an industry like oil then gets advantages directly from government that other businesses don't. If oil was priced appropriately, we'd be paying over $10/gallon and electric cars would be selling like hot cakes. And don't think for one second that the oil industry doesn't love these states that ban direct sales of cars so that Tesla gets screwed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've financially backed auto lobby groups and state reps that pushed the legislation.

Also, see Chizzy's excellent post above.

Link?

http://www.somewhereintherecessesofkalmsmemory.edu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IIRC it was closer to $15.

[kalm]

I know black and white is easier, but what about my post do you disagree with?

Asks the guy who chuckles about having trolled people.

Apology accepted!

[Chizzang]

Good point. The problem of course being that an industry like oil then gets advantages directly from government that other businesses don't. If oil was priced appropriately, we'd be paying over $10/gallon and electric cars would be selling like hot cakes. And don't think for one second that the oil industry doesn't love these states that ban direct sales of cars so that Tesla gets screwed. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they've financially backed auto lobby groups and state reps that pushed the legislation.

Also, see Chizzy's excellent post above.

Link?

Without providing links
Can we all agree that the billions in loopholes and subsidies for Oil Companies does in some way buy down the price of oil..?

Or are you saying that if all the loopholes and subsidies were removed gas at the pump would stay the same price..?

But here's a link anyway
http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but don't confuse my questions with me thinking the subsidies need to go away
I'm simply asking - I don;t necessarily pretend to know the answer

[AZGrizFan]

One could argue that almost EVERY business (in existence) benefits from gas not being $10/gallon.

Sure. And it's semi-socialistic other than the massive profits skimmed off the top.

The oil industry has one of the thinnest profit margins on the planet.

[BDKJMU]

Link?

http://www.somewhereintherecessesofkalmsmemory.edu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IIRC it was closer to $15.

Just like I thought, BS..

[Ibanez]

Sure. And it's semi-socialistic other than the massive profits skimmed off the top.

The oil industry has one of the thinnest profit margins on the planet.

True. BPs 5 year average is about 4%. ConocoPhilips and Chevron are closer to 10%. Exxon is approx 8%.

[BDKJMU]

Link?

Without providing links
Can we all agree that the billions in loopholes and subsidies for Oil Companies does in some way buy down the price of oil..?

Or are you saying that if all the loopholes and subsidies were removed gas at the pump would stay the same price..?

But here's a link anyway
http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but don't confuse my questions with me thinking the subsidies need to go away
I'm simply asking - I don;t necessarily pretend to know the answer

Subsidies to liberals = govt not taking as much $$ as liberals think the govt should.
Subsidies to conservatives = direct payments.

And yes, if the govt took more $$ from from "Big Oil" then the price at the pump would go up. And it would go up on most products and services.

And "Big Oil" is playing by the same set of rules as every other "Big (insert your industry here)"

On the flip side there is the regulatory cost that adds on to the price of oil.

[kalm]

Without providing links
Can we all agree that the billions in loopholes and subsidies for Oil Companies does in some way buy down the price of oil..?

Or are you saying that if all the loopholes and subsidies were removed gas at the pump would stay the same price..?

But here's a link anyway
http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but don't confuse my questions with me thinking the subsidies need to go away
I'm simply asking - I don;t necessarily pretend to know the answer

Subsidies to liberals = govt not taking as much $$ as liberals think the govt should.
Subsidies to conservatives = direct payments.

And yes, if the govt took more $$ from from "Big Oil" then the price at the pump would go up. And it would go up on most products and services.

And "Big Oil" is playing by the same set of rules as every other "Big (insert your industry here)"

On the flip side there is the regulatory cost that adds on to the price of oil.

Link?

[BDKJMU]

Subsidies to liberals = govt not taking as much $$ as liberals think the govt should.
Subsidies to conservatives = direct payments.

And yes, if the govt took more $$ from from "Big Oil" then the price at the pump would go up. And it would go up on most products and services.

And "Big Oil" is playing by the same set of rules as every other "Big (insert your industry here)"

On the flip side there is the regulatory cost that adds on to the price of oil.

Link?

You cited a specific #- that's why I asked for a link. I didn't cite a specific #, but here's some links anyway:

"..Mandated renewable fuel production is not just causing Americans pain at the grocery store but also at the pump in a number of ways. Ethanol is less efficient, ultimately costing the driver more. One gallon of E85 fuel (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) is at best 83 percent as energy efficient as one gallon of gasoline.[15] So, even if ethanol were to help decrease the price of gasoline per gallon, drivers are essentially buying watered-down gas that gets them fewer miles.[16] According to the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report, after adjusting for the lower energy content of ethanol, E85 gasoline costs nearly 50 cents per gallon more than regular gasoline, 15 cents more than premium gasoline, and 12 cents more than diesel.[17]..."
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... -it-end-it" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has decided that the sulfur content of gasoline must be further reduced from 30 parts per million to 10 parts per million on an annual average basis by January 1, 2017. This will bequeath to President Obama’s successor the immediate economic problem of higher gasoline prices for consumers upon assuming office. Refiners are currently meeting the Tier 2 vehicle standards that reduced sulfur in gasoline from 300 parts per million to 30 parts per million, a 90-percent reduction. Refiners estimate that the proposed new rules will cost the American motorist as much as an additional 9 cents per gallon because it would require additional hydrotreating equipment to remove sulfur as well as revamps and expansions to existing hydrotreaters to achieve the reduction.

However, not only will the rule increase the price of gasoline, but it changes the “vehicle certification fuel” to E15 (gasoline that is 15 percent ethanol). This change will lead to lower fuel economy in automobiles and it will cause even more problems for small engines such as boat engines, lawn mowers and weed eaters...."
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... -gasoline/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

Link?

You cited a specific #- that's why I asked for a link. I didn't cite a specific #, but here's some links anyway:

"..Mandated renewable fuel production is not just causing Americans pain at the grocery store but also at the pump in a number of ways. Ethanol is less efficient, ultimately costing the driver more. One gallon of E85 fuel (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) is at best 83 percent as energy efficient as one gallon of gasoline.[15] So, even if ethanol were to help decrease the price of gasoline per gallon, drivers are essentially buying watered-down gas that gets them fewer miles.[16] According to the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report, after adjusting for the lower energy content of ethanol, E85 gasoline costs nearly 50 cents per gallon more than regular gasoline, 15 cents more than premium gasoline, and 12 cents more than diesel.[17]..."
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... -it-end-it" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has decided that the sulfur content of gasoline must be further reduced from 30 parts per million to 10 parts per million on an annual average basis by January 1, 2017. This will bequeath to President Obama’s successor the immediate economic problem of higher gasoline prices for consumers upon assuming office. Refiners are currently meeting the Tier 2 vehicle standards that reduced sulfur in gasoline from 300 parts per million to 30 parts per million, a 90-percent reduction. Refiners estimate that the proposed new rules will cost the American motorist as much as an additional 9 cents per gallon because it would require additional hydrotreating equipment to remove sulfur as well as revamps and expansions to existing hydrotreaters to achieve the reduction.

However, not only will the rule increase the price of gasoline, but it changes the “vehicle certification fuel” to E15 (gasoline that is 15 percent ethanol). This change will lead to lower fuel economy in automobiles and it will cause even more problems for small engines such as boat engines, lawn mowers and weed eaters...."
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... -gasoline/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks!

So when you plug in the environmental, health, road construction, and military protection/intervention, and tax subsidy costs of oil, how does it stack up to renewables? What's the true price per gallon? According to HF and IER...

They should have these numbers at the tips of their fingers, so chop chop!

[CID1990]

You cited a specific #- that's why I asked for a link. I didn't cite a specific #, but here's some links anyway:

"..Mandated renewable fuel production is not just causing Americans pain at the grocery store but also at the pump in a number of ways. Ethanol is less efficient, ultimately costing the driver more. One gallon of E85 fuel (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) is at best 83 percent as energy efficient as one gallon of gasoline.[15] So, even if ethanol were to help decrease the price of gasoline per gallon, drivers are essentially buying watered-down gas that gets them fewer miles.[16] According to the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report, after adjusting for the lower energy content of ethanol, E85 gasoline costs nearly 50 cents per gallon more than regular gasoline, 15 cents more than premium gasoline, and 12 cents more than diesel.[17]..."
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... -it-end-it" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has decided that the sulfur content of gasoline must be further reduced from 30 parts per million to 10 parts per million on an annual average basis by January 1, 2017. This will bequeath to President Obama’s successor the immediate economic problem of higher gasoline prices for consumers upon assuming office. Refiners are currently meeting the Tier 2 vehicle standards that reduced sulfur in gasoline from 300 parts per million to 30 parts per million, a 90-percent reduction. Refiners estimate that the proposed new rules will cost the American motorist as much as an additional 9 cents per gallon because it would require additional hydrotreating equipment to remove sulfur as well as revamps and expansions to existing hydrotreaters to achieve the reduction.

However, not only will the rule increase the price of gasoline, but it changes the “vehicle certification fuel” to E15 (gasoline that is 15 percent ethanol). This change will lead to lower fuel economy in automobiles and it will cause even more problems for small engines such as boat engines, lawn mowers and weed eaters...."
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... -gasoline/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks!

So when you plug in the environmental, health, road construction, and military protection/intervention, and tax subsidy costs of oil, how does it stack up to renewables? What's the true price per gallon? According to HF and IER...

They should have these numbers at the tips of their fingers, so chop chop!

your goal of being the board savant is being thwarted every time you post

[BDKJMU]

You cited a specific #- that's why I asked for a link. I didn't cite a specific #, but here's some links anyway:

"..Mandated renewable fuel production is not just causing Americans pain at the grocery store but also at the pump in a number of ways. Ethanol is less efficient, ultimately costing the driver more. One gallon of E85 fuel (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) is at best 83 percent as energy efficient as one gallon of gasoline.[15] So, even if ethanol were to help decrease the price of gasoline per gallon, drivers are essentially buying watered-down gas that gets them fewer miles.[16] According to the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report, after adjusting for the lower energy content of ethanol, E85 gasoline costs nearly 50 cents per gallon more than regular gasoline, 15 cents more than premium gasoline, and 12 cents more than diesel.[17]..."
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... -it-end-it" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has decided that the sulfur content of gasoline must be further reduced from 30 parts per million to 10 parts per million on an annual average basis by January 1, 2017. This will bequeath to President Obama’s successor the immediate economic problem of higher gasoline prices for consumers upon assuming office. Refiners are currently meeting the Tier 2 vehicle standards that reduced sulfur in gasoline from 300 parts per million to 30 parts per million, a 90-percent reduction. Refiners estimate that the proposed new rules will cost the American motorist as much as an additional 9 cents per gallon because it would require additional hydrotreating equipment to remove sulfur as well as revamps and expansions to existing hydrotreaters to achieve the reduction.

However, not only will the rule increase the price of gasoline, but it changes the “vehicle certification fuel” to E15 (gasoline that is 15 percent ethanol). This change will lead to lower fuel economy in automobiles and it will cause even more problems for small engines such as boat engines, lawn mowers and weed eaters...."
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... -gasoline/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks!

So when you plug in the environmental, health, road construction, and military protection/intervention, and tax subsidy costs of oil, how does it stack up to renewables? What's the true price per gallon? According to HF and IER...

They should have these numbers at the tips of their fingers, so chop chop!

Allow exploration off both coasts, ANWR, & other public lands & then maybe we wouldn't have to import any from the middle east and other undesireable places...

There you go again with "subsidies". Govt taking less $$ doesn't "cost" anything.

And as far as income tax revenue, 2011:
Exxon Mobil 27.3 billion (42.3% effective tax rate)
Chevron 17.4 billion (43.3% effective tax rate)
Conoco Phillips 10.6 billion (45.5^ effective tax rate)
Occidental 2.9 billion (40.2% effective tax rate)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopher ... megataxes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thats over 58 billion in income taxes in 2011 just from those 4 oil companies alone. And that's just income taxes. Doesn't include all the other taxes that they pay, like property taxes. And all the taxes that their 6 figure # of employees pay. That's going to pay for an awfully lot of roads....

[Seahawks08]

Link?