Seattle harmony - crumbling as we speak

[kalm]

I'd wager that forklift driving requires less effort and brains than waiting.

Especially in high maintenance, liberal Seattle. 'What? You don't have a gluten, dairy, nut, meat - free menu? Where the fuck are we...Monroe?'

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRHJlE4PGI[/youtube]

[CID1990]

I'd wager that forklift driving requires less effort and brains than waiting.

Especially in high maintenance, liberal Seattle. 'What? You don't have a gluten, dairy, nut, meat - free menu? Where the **** are we...Monroe?'

This is ^ a critically important point actually...
Fork truck drivers are a dime a dozen at any shipping warehouse
quality wait staff:
A) Work harder B) Need to know more C) Need to care more
All of which (A thru C) "cost" more in the real world

oh and since when does anybody actually care about anything in that specific article...
Americas lowest level of employment debating on how much they would tip a waiter

interesting stuff *Zzzz ZZzzz

Damn I was too subtle

[Chizzang]

This is ^ a critically important point actually...
Fork truck drivers are a dime a dozen at any shipping warehouse
quality wait staff:
A) Work harder B) Need to know more C) Need to care more
All of which (A thru C) "cost" more in the real world

oh and since when does anybody actually care about anything in that specific article...
Americas lowest level of employment debating on how much they would tip a waiter

interesting stuff *Zzzz ZZzzz

Damn I was too subtle

Actually Kalms post was funnier... so I went with this work over yours
Both strong work - but he edged you out this time

[CID1990]

Damn I was too subtle

Actually Kalms post was funnier... so I went with this work over yours
Both strong work - but he edged you out this time

Oh I thought you guys just missed completely

[houndawg]

If you're being paid enough that you are dry, warm, and fed, then you shouldn't expect to be tipped, nor should the customer be expected to tip you. If you want more get a second gig.

Stop the **** presses. Houndawg and I agree.

....losing my edge... .where is my Red Book containing thoughts of our glorious leader.....


Death to the capitalist parasites and their running dog lackey bankers!


I spent most of January in New Zealand where the min wage is $13/hr, equal to about $11/hr US. I never saw a cafe/coffee shop/restaurant/bar that wasn't spotless, and staffed by friendly and capable employees. No tipping. Are things more expensive? A big breakfast cost $16-$18NZ, about $13-$15US. Pretty close to what you'll pay here after the tip.

[houndawg]

you can go to ANY wage site and it'll tell you... so you can quit making an ass of yourself

What else would cuck be good for?

Small dogs that bark make great companion pets for elderly shut-ins.

[Ibanez]

Fed min wage for tipped employees is $2.13 per hour. PA is $2.83 (with tips still must meet fed min wage of $7.25). If Seattle wait staff end up getting $15 per hr (or anywhere else for that matter), and I ever go there again, I would go to European style tipping- 5-10%, instead of the around 20% I usually do.

Where in Europe do you tip? Conventional wisdom is that tipping in Europe is unnecessary and the Europeans will tell you that (they told me. ) I once tipped a server in Germany and he returned the money saying I overpaid.

Now, rounding up to the nearest whole number is acceptable in some situations.

[YoUDeeMan]

you can go to ANY wage site and it'll tell you... so you can quit making an ass of yourself
check the 2012 calculator for U.S. avg. vs. Seattle

it's right there in print

Food Preparation and Serving Related $10.51
Building and Grounds Cleaning and maintenance $12.68

Etc.

I did a little checking...every site is different, but those figures seem to be in line with most AVERAGE wages/salaries on those fields.

That is quite a difference from a MINIMUM STARTING wage.

You don't have to be a genius to see the difference between starting everyone at $15/hour versus having the average pay being $10.51/hour.

Hell, you don't have to be a genius to see the difference between the AVERAGE STARTING pay being $10.51 in Food Prep industry versus making every company pay $15 for starting pay.

In the end, you are simply being a jackass (wait, your posts are jackassish) who won't admit that raising the minimum wage will eventually result in spiraling costs across the board.

Oh, BTW, don't tell your Seattle nurses they are getting paid well. Lots of complaints about the comparatively low pay for nurses in Seattle - along with the complaints about how much it costs to live in the area.

[YoUDeeMan]

What else would cuck be good for?

Small dogs that bark make great companion pets for elderly shut-ins.

Just because your old lady hasn't thrown you out doesn't mean she likes listening to you.

[houndawg]

Damn I was too subtle

Actually Kalms post was funnier... so I went with this work over yours
Both strong work - but he edged you out this time

Should have gone with CID, chizz. It's like weightlifting: if two guys are equally funny, the lighter weight guy wins...

[kalm]

you can go to ANY wage site and it'll tell you... so you can quit making an ass of yourself
check the 2012 calculator for U.S. avg. vs. Seattle

it's right there in print

Food Preparation and Serving Related $10.51
Building and Grounds Cleaning and maintenance $12.68

Etc.

I did a little checking...every site is different, but those figures seem to be in line with most AVERAGE wages/salaries on those fields.

That is quite a difference from a MINIMUM STARTING wage.

You don't have to be a genius to see the difference between starting everyone at $15/hour versus having the average pay being $10.51/hour.

Hell, you don't have to be a genius to see the difference between the AVERAGE STARTING pay being $10.51 in Food Prep industry versus making every company pay $15 for starting pay.

In the end, you are simply being a jackass (wait, your posts are jackassish) who won't admit that raising the minimum wage will eventually result in spiraling costs across the board.

Oh, BTW, don't tell your Seattle nurses they are getting paid well. Lots of complaints about the comparatively low pay for nurses in Seattle - along with the complaints about how much it costs to live in the area.

How many places (cities, states, nations) have gone down hill because workers were paid too much?

(i'll ask the same question regarding the envorinmental regulation discussion were having in 88's thread)

[YoUDeeMan]

I'd wager that forklift driving requires less effort and brains than waiting.

Especially in high maintenance, liberal Seattle. 'What? You don't have a gluten, dairy, nut, meat - free menu? Where the fuck are we...Monroe?'

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRHJlE4PGI[/youtube]

[YoUDeeMan]

Boehner lives in Ohio, Pelosi lives in California...according to you, they both know what's going on in their communities.

And you live a couple thousand miles from Seattle... but, think you know what's best for them.

You live a world away from most people, but you want to legislate what's best for all of them.

[YoUDeeMan]

How many places (cities, states, nations) have gone down hill because workers were paid too much?

(i'll ask the same question regarding the envorinmental regulation discussion were having in 88's thread)

Detroit.

Wanna' keep playing?

[kalm]

How many places (cities, states, nations) have gone down hill because workers were paid too much?

(i'll ask the same question regarding the envorinmental regulation discussion were having in 88's thread)

Detroit.

Wanna' keep playing?

Ahhhhhhhh gawdammit!

[JohnStOnge]

Whether it's related or not I remember having a discussion with a guy who moved from Mississippi to Seattle. He was telling me how great it was and I explained that I would never consider living there because the cost of living is too high.

Like right now, by one on line cost of living calculator, you would need an income of $128,000 per year in Seattle to maintain the same standard of living as you could on $100,000 per year in Baton Rouge.

Don't know if their weaselly progressive mentality is a factor in that. But I wouldn't be surprised.

[Ibanez]

Whether it's related or not I remember having a discussion with a guy who moved from Mississippi to Seattle. He was telling me how great it was and I explained that I would never consider living there because the cost of living is too high.

Like right now, by one on line cost of living calculator, you would need an income of $128,000 per year in Seattle to maintain the same standard of living as you could on $100,000 per year in Baton Rouge.

Don't know if their weaselly progressive mentality is a factor in that. But I wouldn't be surprised.

Or maybe things like quality of schools, public safety, infrastructure, etc... all go into that. Maybe Seattle is better than Baton Rouge.

[kalm]

Whether it's related or not I remember having a discussion with a guy who moved from Mississippi to Seattle. He was telling me how great it was and I explained that I would never consider living there because the cost of living is too high.

Like right now, by one on line cost of living calculator, you would need an income of $128,000 per year in Seattle to maintain the same standard of living as you could on $100,000 per year in Baton Rouge.

Don't know if their weaselly progressive mentality is a factor in that. But I wouldn't be surprised.

Or maybe things like quality of schools, public safety, infrastructure, etc... all go into that. Maybe Seattle is better than Baton Rouge.

Look at things like poverty and education statistics. My neighbor was transferred to Alabama and was freaked out by the third world nature and degree of suckiness in the schools.

[Chizzang]

Whether it's related or not I remember having a discussion with a guy who moved from Mississippi to Seattle. He was telling me how great it was and I explained that I would never consider living there because the cost of living is too high.

Like right now, by one on line cost of living calculator, you would need an income of $128,000 per year in Seattle to maintain the same standard of living as you could on $100,000 per year in Baton Rouge.

Don't know if their weaselly progressive mentality is a factor in that. But I wouldn't be surprised.

Ha ha.... Too funny Johnny ^ No thanks on Baton Rouge
(The crime rate alone is ridiculous not to mention the insane 22% poverty rate)

I lived on both coasts up and down and a few places in between (even the flyover)
and I live exactly where I want to - by choice - and Baton Rouge couldn't crack my top 100

(I'd even move back to Baltimore before that) Zing*

[CID1990]

Actually Kalms post was funnier... so I went with this work over yours
Both strong work - but he edged you out this time

Should have gone with CID, chizz. It's like weightlifting: if two guys are equally funny, the lighter weight guy wins...

Trying to tip the scales perpetually in your favor, I see.

[Ibanez]

Whether it's related or not I remember having a discussion with a guy who moved from Mississippi to Seattle. He was telling me how great it was and I explained that I would never consider living there because the cost of living is too high.

Like right now, by one on line cost of living calculator, you would need an income of $128,000 per year in Seattle to maintain the same standard of living as you could on $100,000 per year in Baton Rouge.

Don't know if their weaselly progressive mentality is a factor in that. But I wouldn't be surprised.

You're a riot. So, a city with a higher cost of living suffers from a "weaselly progressive mentality?" I know Charleston is a bit liberal (about 8.98%) more but c'mon dude.

[CID1990]

Whether it's related or not I remember having a discussion with a guy who moved from Mississippi to Seattle. He was telling me how great it was and I explained that I would never consider living there because the cost of living is too high.

Like right now, by one on line cost of living calculator, you would need an income of $128,000 per year in Seattle to maintain the same standard of living as you could on $100,000 per year in Baton Rouge.

Don't know if their weaselly progressive mentality is a factor in that. But I wouldn't be surprised.

You're a riot. So, a city with a higher cost of living suffers from a "weaselly progressive mentality?" I know Charleston is a bit liberal (about 8.98%) more but c'mon dude.

You must be referring to white Charleston only.


Hell you could have just said 6.93.

[BDKJMU]

Fed min wage for tipped employees is $2.13 per hour. PA is $2.83 (with tips still must meet fed min wage of $7.25). If Seattle wait staff end up getting $15 per hr (or anywhere else for that matter), and I ever go there again, I would go to European style tipping- 5-10%, instead of the around 20% I usually do.

Where in Europe do you tip? Conventional wisdom is that tipping in Europe is unnecessary and the Europeans will tell you that (they told me. ) I once tipped a server in Germany and he returned the money saying I overpaid.

Now, rounding up to the nearest whole number is acceptable in some situations.

You must not have been in certain parts of Europe lately. Go back a decade or more and there wasn't much tipping. No, they won't tell you tipping is unnecessary, at least in Germany. I was in Germany just last week, and at least in the big cities that get lots of tourists, 5-10% is normal now. My GF is German, lives in the states but travels to Germany or Switzerland nearly every week (flight attendant) and tells me 5-10% is now standard. Heck, don't take my word for it. 1st 5 websites I looked at:

Trip advisor says 5-10%:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g1872 ... uette.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This website says 5-10%:
http://www.whototip.net/tipping-in-germany" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

USAToday says 10%:
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/restaura ... 59081.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This website says 5-10%:
http://mygermantravels.com/2011/03/tips ... ratuities/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Says 10% here:
http://gogermany.about.com/od/foodanddr ... ermany.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems to be a good website for most of world:
http://www.tippingaroundtheworld.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JohnStOnge]

I used Baton Rouge because that's the way the calculator works. You have to pick a city. I live in the suburbs and both of my kids scored in the upper 90 percentiles in their standardized tests. That means they did better than the overwhelming majority of students in Seattle or anywhere else did.

And meanwhile my cost of living was much lower than it would have been in Seattle.

As an aside, you need to understand that school systems are rated by standardized test scores and the demographics of the area have a huge impact on standardized test scores. If you adjust Louisiana standardized test scores for demographics Louisiana looks OK.

Of course you're not allowed to do that officially. Then you'd have to admit that race is a factor and the fact that Louisiana is over 30% Black impacts its standardized test scores.

[AZGrizFan]

Stop the **** presses. Houndawg and I agree.

....losing my edge... .where is my Red Book containing thoughts of our glorious leader.....


Death to the capitalist parasites and their running dog lackey bankers!


I spent most of January in New Zealand where the min wage is $13/hr, equal to about $11/hr US. I never saw a cafe/coffee shop/restaurant/bar that wasn't spotless, and staffed by friendly and capable employees. No tipping. Are things more expensive? A big breakfast cost $16-$18NZ, about $13-$15US. Pretty close to what you'll pay here after the tip.

That's better, man.

Jesus, I thought the fucking world was coming to an end for a minute there...