Solar power plants burning birds

[Ibanez]

46 mpg on average isn't bad. Besides, don't be that anti-hybrid dick. You're better than that.

I am that hate-on-hybrids dick when the can't go up a damn hill or get out of the fast lane, which is most of them. Not all, but A LOT of hybrid owners love to act all superior about owning one. I've been driving my 45+ mpg cars for 10+ years now, before it was the cool thing to do. I am still driving my 2003 and it will last another 10+ years. And I could get a lot better than 45+ but I go down the freeway at 80-85 and drive it like I stole it.

I live near the coast where the only "hills" are the bridges. My 2008 Hybrid saves me money. On long trips, I can get 50+mpg with a 10 gallon tank. Btw, note that I'm not the one being superior about my car. I mentioned the car I drive b/c of the posts before me. Driving my 19mpg Mustang, 50+ miles a day was costing too much money. I had to fill up almost 3 times a week. Since I bought the hybrid, I fill up every 1.5 weeks (on average).

At lot of hybrid and NON hybrid owners are smug about their vehicles. "My car gets 350 hp", " i've got dual exhaust, a rear spoiler and a sweet system" , " my truck can haul 4 Rosie O'Donnells."

[93henfan]

At lot of hybrid and NON hybrid owners are smug about their vehicles.

I lol'ed at the 4 Rosie O'Donnells, btw. Hah.

[Ibanez]

At lot of hybrid and NON hybrid owners are smug about their vehicles.

I lol'ed at the 4 Rosie O'Donnells, btw. Hah.

Good one.

It's true, people are smug about their gas guzzling car, energy efficient car, their dog, cat, job, phone, plastic surgeon, brother's connection with the owner of the Lakers, etc....

[Cap'n Cat]

I am that hate-on-hybrids dick when the can't go up a damn hill or get out of the fast lane, which is most of them. Not all, but A LOT of hybrid owners love to act all superior about owning one. I've been driving my 45+ mpg cars for 10+ years now, before it was the cool thing to do. I am still driving my 2003 and it will last another 10+ years. And I could get a lot better than 45+ but I go down the freeway at 80-85 and drive it like I stole it.

I live near the coast where the only "hills" are the bridges. My 2008 Hybrid saves me money. On long trips, I can get 50+mpg with a 10 gallon tank. Btw, note that I'm not the one being superior about my car. I mentioned the car I drive b/c of the posts before me. Driving my 19mpg Mustang, 50+ miles a day was costing too much money. I had to fill up almost 3 times a week. Since I bought the hybrid, I fill up every 1.5 weeks (on average).

At lot of hybrid and NON hybrid owners are smug about their vehicles. "My car gets 350 hp", " i've got dual exhaust, a rear spoiler and a sweet system" , " my truck can haul 4 Rosie O'Donnells."

Whatcher talking about here, Mark, kinda reminds of when PetroConks pull out the specious fossil fuel shit such as "how did you get to work today" or "Did Gore fly in a jet to the climate change meeting?", etc, etc.

How childish. The only thing many of us can do is what we ARE doing - that is, buying Hybrids and conserving said fossil fuels, however we can.

I got out of my gas hog truck almost completely and drive my 38 mpg Fiesta damned near everywhere.
Am I flying in a fossil fuel-consuming jet aircraft on my business trip? Yeah, but the motherfucker is shoulder-to-shoulder packed - the airline is saving that fossil fuel...and making money, btw. Time was 15-16 years ago, I'm sure many of us remember, we'd be in a 757, as I was from Chicago to Los Angeles, and there were 19 people on board!!! On a 757!!!!! What a waste.

We do what we can, how we can.

[CAA Flagship]

Birds

[JohnStOnge]

I'm not against solar power per se anyway. It's just that the technology is not developed to the point where it can make a truly meaningful contribution to our power needs. And I couldn't care less if it fries birds. Big deal.

I have no objection to trying to develop and improve it and if it fries birds so be it.

[travelinman67]

So we shouldn't explore alternative energy sources because of events like this? Surely something can be done. Surely animals are smart enough to eventually avoid areas like this. What are the stats on the number of animals that have died due to alt. energy production?

Yet strangely, the NRDC and Center for Biological Diversity has a ZERO TOLERANCE when instigating lawsuits to "protect" so-called "endangered" animals and flora and fauna.

And the Dumbocrats/EPA double-standard allowing the killing of tens-of-thousands of birds annually by wind turbines while fining carbon energy producers thousands for accidental deaths...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/201 ... story.html

...let me say this as politely as is warranted:

The folks who irrationally promote double-standard policies under the guise of pseudo environmental protectionism should jump in a deep cave and permanently disappear.

Soon. Please.

Carbon energy use DID NOT cause typhoon Haiyan, or strengthen it, nor has it contributed to or strengthened ANY storm.

LOOK IT UP.

The only people who purport such nonsense do so out of ignorance. Scientists understand the scale and complexity of meteorological causers exceed the minute changes affected by humanity.

Note, I said Scientists.

The so-called "consensus" is principally made up of non-scientists, scientists receiving financial benefit from their "green votes", or "scientists" (emphasis on parenthesis), whose body of work consists of "green advocacy" dating back before the first err-models were even conjured (Joe Romm, James Hansen), thus impeaching their integrity as "scientists".

AGAIN, LOOK IT UP.

Ibanez, if you'd like to be trendy, become a vegan and become hyper-critical of regional lexicon.

Please, DON'T follow, demagogues like Al "The Liar" Gore or jump on the bandwagon of the MSM's fear-du-jour.

Please.

[JohnStOnge]

I live near the coast where the only "hills" are the bridges. My 2008 Hybrid saves me money. On long trips, I can get 50+mpg with a 10 gallon tank. Btw, note that I'm not the one being superior about my car. I mentioned the car I drive b/c of the posts before me. Driving my 19mpg Mustang, 50+ miles a day was costing too much money. I had to fill up almost 3 times a week. Since I bought the hybrid, I fill up every 1.5 weeks (on average).

The thing with a hybrid is that you have to look at how much it costs you vs. a comparable model to start with then see if the improved gas mileage savings is going to be sufficient to cover the increases cost of the car over its lifetime. But I guess you may get some kind of tax benefit. Don't know.

I can't consider hybrids until they have pickup truck hybrids anyway. In 1998 I bought my first pickup truck and after experiencing that I will never be without a pickup truck again.

[dbackjon]

T -man. You are quite wrong

[travelinman67]

T -man. You are quite wrong

No, I'm not Jon.

I do my research; profusely study political agenda; will invest days and weeks studying research; have the education to discern appropriate scientific value; understand human behavior (hysteria); and have repeatedly cited research to back up my conclusions.

You and the alarmists had DONE NONE of the aforementioned.

Policy should never be derived by shout-down.

Grow up.

I am proud that the paradigm of America is founded upon discussion, debate and diversity.

In your world, discussion and debate have been eliminated.

Tell me Orwell was not prophetic.

Honestly.

[BlueHen86]

The problem with solar power plants is that the air around them is so clean there is nothing to stop the heat they generate from radiating into the atmosphere. They need to run some gas powered engines along side of the solar plant so that the exhaust from the engines can trap the heat close to the ground.

Another solution would be to operate the solar plant at night, especially on really hot days.

[93henfan]

The problem with solar power plants is that the air around them is so clean there is nothing to stop the heat they generate from radiating into the atmosphere. They need to run some gas powered engines along side of the solar plant so that the exhaust from the engines can trap the heat close to the ground.

Another solution would be to operate the solar plant at night, especially on really hot days.

[Ibanez]

So we shouldn't explore alternative energy sources because of events like this? Surely something can be done. Surely animals are smart enough to eventually avoid areas like this. What are the stats on the number of animals that have died due to alt. energy production?

Yet strangely, the NRDC and Center for Biological Diversity has a ZERO TOLERANCE when instigating lawsuits to "protect" so-called "endangered" animals and flora and fauna.

And the Dumbocrats/EPA double-standard allowing the killing of tens-of-thousands of birds annually by wind turbines while fining carbon energy producers thousands for accidental deaths...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/201 ... story.html

...let me say this as politely as is warranted:

The folks who irrationally promote double-standard policies under the guise of pseudo environmental protectionism should jump in a deep cave and permanently disappear.

Soon. Please.

Carbon energy use DID NOT cause typhoon Haiyan, or strengthen it, nor has it contributed to or strengthened ANY storm.

LOOK IT UP.

The only people who purport such nonsense do so out of ignorance. Scientists understand the scale and complexity of meteorological causers exceed the minute changes affected by humanity.

Note, I said Scientists.

The so-called "consensus" is principally made up of non-scientists, scientists receiving financial benefit from their "green votes", or "scientists" (emphasis on parenthesis), whose body of work consists of "green advocacy" dating back before the first err-models were even conjured (Joe Romm, James Hansen), thus impeaching their integrity as "scientists".

AGAIN, LOOK IT UP.

Ibanez, if you'd like to be trendy, become a vegan and become hyper-critical of regional lexicon.

Please, DON'T follow, demagogues like Al "The Liar" Gore or jump on the bandwagon of the MSM's fear-du-jour.

Please.

Anyone here that knows me knows that i'm anything but trendy. Cappy said it best. The hybrid works for me. Al Gore is a steaming pile of bullshit.

[Ibanez]

I live near the coast where the only "hills" are the bridges. My 2008 Hybrid saves me money. On long trips, I can get 50+mpg with a 10 gallon tank. Btw, note that I'm not the one being superior about my car. I mentioned the car I drive b/c of the posts before me. Driving my 19mpg Mustang, 50+ miles a day was costing too much money. I had to fill up almost 3 times a week. Since I bought the hybrid, I fill up every 1.5 weeks (on average).

The thing with a hybrid is that you have to look at how much it costs you vs. a comparable model to start with then see if the improved gas mileage savings is going to be sufficient to cover the increases cost of the car over its lifetime. But I guess you may get some kind of tax benefit. Don't know.

I can't consider hybrids until they have pickup truck hybrids anyway. In 1998 I bought my first pickup truck and after experiencing that I will never be without a pickup truck again.

They have hybrid pick up trucks and have for years.

I drive approx 425-500 miles on approx. $33. I average about $100 in gas a month. You idle in traffic, I don't. I don't waste gasoline sitting at a stop sign or red light. People who bitch about hybrids have no idea about how they work and are too stuck in their ways to change or try something new.

You probably still wear BVDs. Don't ya?

[Ibanez]

So we shouldn't explore alternative energy sources because of events like this? Surely something can be done. Surely animals are smart enough to eventually avoid areas like this. What are the stats on the number of animals that have died due to alt. energy production?

Yet strangely, the NRDC and Center for Biological Diversity has a ZERO TOLERANCE when instigating lawsuits to "protect" so-called "endangered" animals and flora and fauna.

And the Dumbocrats/EPA double-standard allowing the killing of tens-of-thousands of birds annually by wind turbines while fining carbon energy producers thousands for accidental deaths...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/201 ... story.html

...let me say this as politely as is warranted:

The folks who irrationally promote double-standard policies under the guise of pseudo environmental protectionism should jump in a deep cave and permanently disappear.

Soon. Please.

Carbon energy use DID NOT cause typhoon Haiyan, or strengthen it, nor has it contributed to or strengthened ANY storm.

LOOK IT UP.

The only people who purport such nonsense do so out of ignorance. Scientists understand the scale and complexity of meteorological causers exceed the minute changes affected by humanity.

Note, I said Scientists.

The so-called "consensus" is principally made up of non-scientists, scientists receiving financial benefit from their "green votes", or "scientists" (emphasis on parenthesis), whose body of work consists of "green advocacy" dating back before the first err-models were even conjured (Joe Romm, James Hansen), thus impeaching their integrity as "scientists".

AGAIN, LOOK IT UP.

Ibanez, if you'd like to be trendy, become a vegan and become hyper-critical of regional lexicon.

Please, DON'T follow, demagogues like Al "The Liar" Gore or jump on the bandwagon of the MSM's fear-du-jour.

Please.

Btw, why are you bringing up a typhoon? I'm not some eco-friendly nutjob. I'm just aware of my surroundings and understand that the environment has been negatively affected by industry. There's a reason why acid rains down on people in China and it's because of industry. I'm also not one of these people that blame things like Superstorm Sandy on global warming or God's hatred for gays.

[93henfan]

You probably still wear BVDs. Don't ya?

Haterz gone hate.

[travelinman67]

"...or God's hatred for gays."

Sooo....

...a bunch of HUMAN, Bible-thumping, homo-phobic (actually, insecure-sex-phobes), zealous, bigots tee up against gays and now it becomes "God's hatred for gays."

"God" loves and accepts all.

"Humans" are fucked up.

Just want to correct that misstatement.

[houndawg]

Well, I'll be...I had no idea that Tbags hiatus was due to a spine transplant. Welcome back!

[93henfan]

So sad..I think we must take some appropriate measure.. Removing solar plants will not be the solution just we need to avoid birds in these areas.

You got that shit right!

[Ibanez]

"...or God's hatred for gays."

Sooo....

...a bunch of HUMAN, Bible-thumping, homo-phobic (actually, insecure-sex-phobes), zealous, bigots tee up against gays and now it becomes "God's hatred for gays."

"God" loves and accepts all.

"Humans" are fucked up.

Just want to correct that misstatement.

Dude, read what I wrote. Have you not heard the same new stories that have WBC and Pat Roberston blaming natural events on Gods revenge for homosexuality?

[travelinman67]

Well, I'll be...I had no idea that Tbags hiatus was due to a spine transplant. Welcome back!

"Oh great and powerful Gore...please send an extreme weather outbreak through houndawg's town..."

Midwest Tornado Outbreak: At Least 55 Tornadoes Confirmed So Far

weather.com

Huh! It worked...

[Chizzang]

T-man has become what he hates...
Screaming about how SHOUT DOWN WILL NOT WORK
all the while shouting about how much more he knows than everybody else

It would be funny were it not so predictable and sad

[YoUDeeMan]

I don't drive a Subaru

So you're saying that there's a good chance this, "gay" thing of yours is just temporary.

[dbackjon]

I don't drive a Subaru

So you're saying that there's a good chance this, "gay" thing of yours is just temporary.

No - I am not a lesbian

[HI54UNI]

Update.

Workers at a state-of-the-art solar plant in the Mojave Desert have a name for birds that fly through the concentrated beams of solar energy focused upward by the plant's 300,000 mirrors — "streamers," for the smoke plume that comes from birds that ignite in midair.

Federal wildlife investigators who visited BrightSource Energy's Ivanpah plant last year and watched as birds burned and fell, reporting an average of one "streamer" every two minutes, are urging California officials to halt the operator's application to build a still-bigger version.

The investigators want the halt until the full extent of the deaths can be assessed. Estimates per year now range from a low of about a thousand by BrightSource to 28,000 by an expert for the Center for Biological Diversity environmental group.

cont'd http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/brigh ... -1.2739512