DOJ Memo on Marijuana Use

[Chizzang]

Lord this forum is ridiculous...
Say what you mean and mean what you say

Facts:
1) Pot is less dangerous than alcohol based on user actions / Period end of debate
2) The War on Drugs is a failed exercise / we all can agree on that
3) Marijuana can be taxed and managed just like booze / States profit / Fact

If south Carolina can make billions on Tobacco (far more addictive and a huge cancer causing agent) causing the deaths of millions of humans a year / funded by all of us who pay for Healthcare then Washington should be able to proceed with the processing and taxing of Marijuana

The right wing looney tunes squad needs to EXTRACT their heads from their asses
Jesus hasn't said anything about pot / Let it go

Marijuana is fine to proceed no different than Alcohol
I am NOT arguing it's values other than the above stated

Show me a link where it says that one drink/beer is more dangerous than one joint. On a one to one basis you're full of BS...

Straight from the CDC
Cause of death (Data from 2010 unless otherwise noted) Number

All Causes 2,468,435
Major Cardiovascular [Heart] Diseases 780,213
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 574,743
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 138,080
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 120,859
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,332
Diabetes 69,071
Drug-Induced Deaths1 40,393
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 38,364
Septicemia 34,812
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis (*alcoholism) 31,903
Firearm Injuries 31,672
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 25,692
Homicide 16,259
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) 8,369
Viral hepatitis 7,564
Marijuana 7



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[Chizzang]

Show me a link where it says that one drink/beer is more dangerous than one joint. On a one to one basis you're full of BS...

Straight from the CDC
Cause of death (Data from 2010 unless otherwise noted) Number

All Causes 2,468,435
Major Cardiovascular [Heart] Diseases 780,213
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 574,743
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 138,080
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 120,859
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,332
Diabetes 69,071
Drug-Induced Deaths1 40,393
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 38,364
Septicemia 34,812
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis (*alcoholism) 31,903
Firearm Injuries 31,672
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 25,692
Homicide 16,259
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) 8,369
Viral hepatitis 7,564
Marijuana 7



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http://www.drugabuse.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anybody dim enough to still be arguing from your perspective belongs in Utah
Where the earth is 6,000 years old
and underwear is magic

[houndawg]

BDPSHT is a true believer, gotta give him that.

next step - attack the CDC as a source.

[houndawg]

Straight from the CDC
Cause of death (Data from 2010 unless otherwise noted) Number

All Causes 2,468,435
Major Cardiovascular [Heart] Diseases 780,213
Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] 574,743
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 138,080
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] 120,859
Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] 35,332
Diabetes 69,071
Drug-Induced Deaths1 40,393
Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) 38,364
Septicemia 34,812
Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis (*alcoholism) 31,903
Firearm Injuries 31,672
Alcohol-Induced Deaths 25,692
Homicide 16,259
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) 8,369
Viral hepatitis 7,564
Marijuana 7



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http://www.drugabuse.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anybody dim enough to still be arguing from your perspective belongs in Utah
Where the earth is 6,000 years old
and underwear is magic

[CID1990]

How does marijuana actually cause deaths? You set your house on fire and forget where the exit is?

[houndawg]

How does marijuana actually cause deaths? You set your house on fire and forget where the exit is?

You're a diabetic and eat fifty glazed donuts?

[Chizzang]

How does marijuana actually cause deaths? You set your house on fire and forget where the exit is?

Sadly Alcohol on average (per year since 1980) kills directly through acts while drunk
or Cirrhosis (*alcoholism) over 55,000 people a year / that's the rough average since 1980

Multiply that times the last 30 years and that is 1.65 million deaths
Marijuana in that same 30 years = under 50 deaths

It's a NO BRAINER
Literally you could have NO BRAIN and see the ridiculousness of this debate
It's like arguing that black and white are the same color / it's quite literally that dumb
Because the evidence is Black and White

There are plenty of solid arguments against marijuana legalization
but NONE of them include arguing it's Dangerous as compared to Alcohol or Prescription drugs

[89Hen]

It's a NO BRAINER
Literally you could have NO BRAIN and see the ridiculousness of this debate
It's like arguing that black and white are the same color / it's quite literally that dumb
Because the evidence is Black and White

Is one legal and the other not?

[Grizalltheway]

It's a NO BRAINER
Literally you could have NO BRAIN and see the ridiculousness of this debate
It's like arguing that black and white are the same color / it's quite literally that dumb
Because the evidence is Black and White

Is one legal and the other not?

Illegal =/= immoral.

[DSUrocks07]

http://www.bnd.com/2013/08/30/2771664/d ... es-in.html

PHOENIX — A 31-year-old father whose infant son died after being left in a parked car in the Phoenix summertime heat has been arrested because he was smoking marijuana at the time, police said.

Daniel Bryant Gray, 31, was booked into a Maricopa County jail late Thursday, charged with manslaughter and child abuse, Sgt. Tommy Thompson said.

Police earlier said 3-month-old Jamison Dean Gray died after his father had gone to a northeast Phoenix sports bar where he worked as a kitchen manager at about noon on Wednesday to check on business.

Outside temperatures were about 100 degrees, but interior car temperatures are frequently much higher.

At first, police said the father was distracted and forgot about the boy.However, Thompson said investigators developed information that Gray was smoking pot with a co-worker and forgot that his son was in the car.

When Gray remembered, he went and got the unresponsive baby and took him into the bar and called 911.

Is this man not being charged in his son's death? Not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying we should ban it because there's a chance that bad things could happen?

[89Hen]

Is one legal and the other not?

Illegal =/= immoral.

Not sure what that has to do with it. Cleets is saying because more deaths are attributable to a much more widely used substance, the less widely used substance should be legal.

[89Hen]

Is this man not being charged in his son's death? Not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying we should ban it because there's a chance that bad things could happen?

Not going anywhere. As I said before...

I just like to laugh at the people that suggest that it's actutally some sort of intelligence stimulant.

[Grizalltheway]

Is this man not being charged in his son's death? Not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying we should ban it because there's a chance that bad things could happen?

Not going anywhere. As I said before...

I just like to laugh at the people that suggest that it's actutally some sort of intelligence stimulant.

Have you ever smoked marijuana? Just curious.

[89Hen]

Not going anywhere. As I said before...

Have you ever smoked marijuana? Just curious.

Yes

[CID1990]

They ask the have you smoked dope question on security questionnaires.

They no longer ask the have you smoked pole question, though.

Baby steps

[Grizalltheway]

Have you ever smoked marijuana? Just curious.

Yes

Okay, so do you think you'd be more likely to do something dangerous or stupid while drunk or while stoned?

[Ibanez]

Yes

Okay, so do you think you'd be more likely to do something dangerous or stupid while drunk or while stoned?

Being drunk made me more daring and reckless. The exact opposite for every one of my stoner friends in college.

[89Hen]

Yes

Okay, so do you think you'd be more likely to do something dangerous or stupid while drunk or while stoned?

I've seen plenty of examples of both.

One of my friends at UD was a very bright engineering major (deans list). We were sitting around the apartment one summer day, he was stoned and came up with the brilliant idea of turning on the oven really low, to like 50, to cool off the apartment.

[Grizalltheway]

Okay, so do you think you'd be more likely to do something dangerous or stupid while drunk or while stoned?

I've seen plenty of examples of both.

One of my friends at UD was a very bright engineering major (deans list). We were sitting around the apartment one summer day, he was stoned and came up with the brilliant idea of turning on the oven really low, to like 50, to cool off the apartment.

For the record, I don't think it turns you into some kind of genius. It probably helps with creative pursuits, but that's about it. I think it's just silly to devote so many resources to trying to control a plant that people can grow in their basement pretty easily, and results in far fewer accidents/deaths than booze.

[89Hen]

For the record, I don't think it turns you into some kind of genius. It probably helps with creative pursuits, but that's about it. I think it's just silly to devote so many resources to trying to control a plant that people can grow in their basement pretty easily, and results in far fewer accidents/deaths than booze.

See, you took it too far again. Alcohol is legal and therefore MUCH more readily obtained and used. If pot were sold on every street corner, I'm sure you see different stats. IMO, you guys are making a better case for the prohibition of alcohol than the legalization of pot. I'm sure there are fewer deaths attibuted to all kinds of illegal things compared to alcohol... does that mean they should be legal?

[D1B]

For the record, I don't think it turns you into some kind of genius. It probably helps with creative pursuits, but that's about it. I think it's just silly to devote so many resources to trying to control a plant that people can grow in their basement pretty easily, and results in far fewer accidents/deaths than booze.

See, you took it too far again. Alcohol is legal and therefore MUCH more readily obtained and used. If pot were sold on every street corner, I'm sure you see different stats. IMO, you guys are making a better case for the prohibition of alcohol than the legalization of pot. I'm sure there are fewer deaths attibuted to all kinds of illegal things compared to alcohol... does that mean they should be legal?

I see your point, but IMO you wouldn't see anything significant, except in the studies underwritten by big alcohol and MADD.

First, everybody except you and BDFUCK already smoke pot. Second, it doesn't dramatically impair a user, it doesn't kill in large quantities (can't poison yourself), it doesn't make people violent and reckless - MOF it does the opposite, etc...

What you would see is violent crime stats drop, especially domestic violence, sexual assault and battery. You'd see drunk driving accidents and vehicular homicide stats drop, among others....

[Grizalltheway]

For the record, I don't think it turns you into some kind of genius. It probably helps with creative pursuits, but that's about it. I think it's just silly to devote so many resources to trying to control a plant that people can grow in their basement pretty easily, and results in far fewer accidents/deaths than booze.

See, you took it too far again. Alcohol is legal and therefore MUCH more readily obtained and used. If pot were sold on every street corner, I'm sure you see different stats. IMO, you guys are making a better case for the prohibition of alcohol than the legalization of pot. I'm sure there are fewer deaths attibuted to all kinds of illegal things compared to alcohol... does that mean they should be legal?

Posession of an ounce of pot has been legal in WA state since last December. Can you show me something that proves this has led to more pot related accidents and deaths?

[89Hen]

See, you took it too far again. Alcohol is legal and therefore MUCH more readily obtained and used. If pot were sold on every street corner, I'm sure you see different stats. IMO, you guys are making a better case for the prohibition of alcohol than the legalization of pot. I'm sure there are fewer deaths attibuted to all kinds of illegal things compared to alcohol... does that mean they should be legal?

Posession of an ounce of pot has been legal in WA state since last December. Can you show me something that proves this has led to more pot related accidents and deaths?

Yeah, I have the stats on state of Washington accidental deaths for the last 9 months. Be right back with that.

[89Hen]

I see your point, but IMO you wouldn't see anything significant, except in the studies underwritten by big alcohol and MADD.

First, everybody except you and BDFUCK already smoke pot. Second, it doesn't dramatically impair a user, it doesn't kill in large quantities (can't poison yourself), it doesn't make people violent and reckless - MOF it does the opposite, etc...

What you would see is violent crime stats drop, especially domestic violence, sexual assault and battery. You'd see drunk driving accidents and vehicular homicide stats drop, among others....

That's even more speculation than I had.

[Grizalltheway]

Posession of an ounce of pot has been legal in WA state since last December. Can you show me something that proves this has led to more pot related accidents and deaths?

Yeah, I have the stats on state of Washington accidental deaths for the last 9 months. Be right back with that.

So we're both just spitballing here. I guess we'll have to see what happens the next few years in WA and CO.