Fast Food Strike

[Chizzang]

24-year old, dumbazz ho-bag wants more money to flip burgers so she can support her three little deductions.

She wanted to be an independent big girl and ended up spreading her legs for the thug sperm donor of the week, who is probably some other worthless, "independent" drain on the system.

Too stupid to stop after the first pregnancy, or the second, she should just idle up to Sharpton, Jackson, and Frank and ask them to personally pony up the money to take care of her kids.

She's a parasite...and so are her kids. Nothing more.

As eloquently spoken as the points are above...
I don't think they are the key issues to focus on

The question really comes down to whether or not "we" as a society should feel any obligation
to the lower classes (regardless of bad choices or stupidity or if we think they are whores or whatever)

Obviously Cluck is arguing NO WE SHOULD NOT
But I'm not sure I agree completely

[TheDancinMonarch]

24-year old, dumbazz ho-bag wants more money to flip burgers so she can support her three little deductions.

She wanted to be an independent big girl and ended up spreading her legs for the thug sperm donor of the week, who is probably some other worthless, "independent" drain on the system.

Too stupid to stop after the first pregnancy, or the second, she should just idle up to Sharpton, Jackson, and Frank and ask them to personally pony up the money to take care of her kids.

She's a parasite...and so are her kids. Nothing more.

As eloquently spoken as the points are above...
I don't think they are the key issues to focus on

The question really comes down to whether or not "we" as a society should feel any obligation
to the lower classes (regardless of bad choices or stupidity or if we think they are whores or whatever)

Obviously Cluck is arguing NO WE SHOULD NOT
But I'm not sure I agree completely

Are we bad people when we find that there may be a limit to our compassion? Or that we may think that there are those who take advantage of our compassion?

[Chizzang]

As eloquently spoken as the points are above...
I don't think they are the key issues to focus on

The question really comes down to whether or not "we" as a society should feel any obligation
to the lower classes (regardless of bad choices or stupidity or if we think they are whores or whatever)

Obviously Cluck is arguing NO WE SHOULD NOT
But I'm not sure I agree completely

Are we bad people when we find that there may be a limit to our compassion? Or that we may think that there are those who take advantage of our compassion?

None of the above...
But it's worth considering being compassionate
If only for the sake of mollifying the horde

[TheDancinMonarch]

Are we bad people when we find that there may be a limit to our compassion? Or that we may think that there are those who take advantage of our compassion?

None of the above...
But it's worth considering being compassionate
If only for the sake of mollifying the horde

Giving in to blackmail cannot be a good long-term strategy.

[Col Hogan]

As eloquently spoken as the points are above...
I don't think they are the key issues to focus on

The question really comes down to whether or not "we" as a society should feel any obligation
to the lower classes (regardless of bad choices or stupidity or if we think they are whores or whatever)

Obviously Cluck is arguing NO WE SHOULD NOT
But I'm not sure I agree completely

Are we bad people when we find that there may be a limit to our compassion? Or that we may think that there are those who take advantage of our compassion?

Being compassionate does not mean giving into demands...

[kalm]

None of the above...
But it's worth considering being compassionate
If only for the sake of mollifying the horde

Giving in to blackmail cannot be a good long-term strategy.

Blackmail?

[kalm]

4) Wages increase demand for services and goods.

And increased wages lead to increased prices, which, over time, end up negating the rise in wages, most especially at the lower end. Rasing the minimum wage has never been a panacea to poverty - it's a feel good measure that, in the end, does nothing more than cause a ripple in the economy in the short term while changing nothing in the long term - good or bad.

5) Our economy, including many small businesses, unfortunately is heavily tied to services and goods.

What's the problem having an economy be based on services and goods? What else should we base our economy on?

Name me an economy that has truly suffered under the yoke of an oppressive minimum wage. I agree it's not the end all be all, but it's also not the end all as many suggest.

And if you like our economy being tied to services and goods, you REALLY should like increased wages so that more of those things are sold.

[∞∞∞]

Most paraprofessionals start off at $13-15/hr, and nearly all of those jobs require training, certificates, or even associate degrees. I can't think of a reason working at Burger King should net the same or more...

[Chizzang]

None of the above...
But it's worth considering being compassionate
If only for the sake of mollifying the horde

Giving in to blackmail cannot be a good long-term strategy.

Really...
Because we subdued the Native Americans with it
We have successfully lulled the poor and the brown through blackmail

It's proven to be the only thing that works
Nose in the air, build a higher wall and Let them eat cake has not worked (ever)
See: French Revolution / Former Soviet Union



Handouts keep the poor and angry mob sated
Fat and just lazy enough not to burn your house to the ground and over-run your shopping mall

[Chizzang]

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[GannonFan]

And increased wages lead to increased prices, which, over time, end up negating the rise in wages, most especially at the lower end. Rasing the minimum wage has never been a panacea to poverty - it's a feel good measure that, in the end, does nothing more than cause a ripple in the economy in the short term while changing nothing in the long term - good or bad.



What's the problem having an economy be based on services and goods? What else should we base our economy on?

Name me an economy that has truly suffered under the yoke of an oppressive minimum wage. I agree it's not the end all be all, but it's also not the end all as many suggest.

And if you like our economy being tied to services and goods, you REALLY should like increased wages so that more of those things are sold.

Where did I say an economy has suffered under the yoke of an oppressive minimum wage? Are you making up an argument now? I said an increased minimum wage is essentially inconsequential - it has very short term effects, both good and bad (those who stay employed make more, those who don't stay employed obviously fare less well) and in the longer term, the economy resets itself and inflationary forces return us to exactly where we left, relatively speaking. It's a policy that ends up doing nothing, neither harm nor good.

As for the economy being tied to services and goods, first of all, my question, still unanswered, was what should our economy be based on other than the work we do and the things we make and sell? Still waiting for what you think we should have as an economy. And again, increased wages don't necessarily translate into more sales - inevitably, costs raise with increased wages and ultimately, how much gets sold tends not to change.

[kalm]

Name me an economy that has truly suffered under the yoke of an oppressive minimum wage. I agree it's not the end all be all, but it's also not the end all as many suggest.

And if you like our economy being tied to services and goods, you REALLY should like increased wages so that more of those things are sold.

Where did I say an economy has suffered under the yoke of an oppressive minimum wage? Are you making up an argument now? I said an increased minimum wage is essentially inconsequential - it has very short term effects, both good and bad (those who stay employed make more, those who don't stay employed obviously fare less well) and in the longer term, the economy resets itself and inflationary forces return us to exactly where we left, relatively speaking. It's a policy that ends up doing nothing, neither harm nor good.

As for the economy being tied to services and goods, first of all, my question, still unanswered, was what should our economy be based on other than the work we do and the things we make and sell? Still waiting for what you think we should have as an economy. And again, increased wages don't necessarily translate into more sales - inevitably, costs raise with increased wages and ultimately, how much gets sold tends not to change.

Tough to argue with the first paragraph.

As for the second, you already know my answer. It's the "make" part that needs to be beefed up. Otherwise you're just trading services without creating wealth...and exchange economy.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Giving in to blackmail cannot be a good long-term strategy.

Really...
Because we subdued the Native Americans with it
We have successfully lulled the poor and the brown through blackmail

It's proven to be the only thing that works
Nose in the air, build a higher wall and Let them eat cake has not worked (ever)
See: French Revolution / Former Soviet Union



Handouts keep the poor and angry mob sated
Fat and just lazy enough not to burn your house to the ground and over-run your shopping mall

Why do you think we invented the lottery? It seemed like a great way to get our money back.

[Chizzang]

Really...
Because we subdued the Native Americans with it
We have successfully lulled the poor and the brown through blackmail

It's proven to be the only thing that works
Nose in the air, build a higher wall and Let them eat cake has not worked (ever)
See: French Revolution / Former Soviet Union



Handouts keep the poor and angry mob sated
Fat and just lazy enough not to burn your house to the ground and over-run your shopping mall

Why do you think we invented the lottery? It seemed like a great way to get our money back.

Excellent reply (2 points for you)

[YoUDeeMan]

Really...
Because we subdued the Native Americans with it
We have successfully lulled the poor and the brown through blackmail

It's proven to be the only thing that works
Nose in the air, build a higher wall and Let them eat cake has not worked (ever)
See: French Revolution / Former Soviet Union



Handouts keep the poor and angry mob sated
Fat and just lazy enough not to burn your house to the ground and over-run your shopping mall

Why do you think we invented the lottery? It seemed like a great way to get our money back.

Well done!

[Ibanez]

Really...
Because we subdued the Native Americans with it
We have successfully lulled the poor and the brown through blackmail

It's proven to be the only thing that works
Nose in the air, build a higher wall and Let them eat cake has not worked (ever)
See: French Revolution / Former Soviet Union



Handouts keep the poor and angry mob sated
Fat and just lazy enough not to burn your house to the ground and over-run your shopping mall

Why do you think we invented the lottery? It seemed like a great way to get our money back.

State Sponsored Gambling. Nothing more. It's an additional tax that falls heavily on the poor and uneducated.

[YoUDeeMan]

24-year old, dumbazz ho-bag wants more money to flip burgers so she can support her three little deductions.

She wanted to be an independent big girl and ended up spreading her legs for the thug sperm donor of the week, who is probably some other worthless, "independent" drain on the system.

Too stupid to stop after the first pregnancy, or the second, she should just idle up to Sharpton, Jackson, and Frank and ask them to personally pony up the money to take care of her kids.

She's a parasite...and so are her kids. Nothing more.

As eloquently spoken as the points are above...
I don't think they are the key issues to focus on

The question really comes down to whether or not "we" as a society should feel any obligation
to the lower classes (regardless of bad choices or stupidity or if we think they are whores or whatever)

Obviously Cluck is arguing NO WE SHOULD NOT
But I'm not sure I agree completely

"Obligation?"

I've said that taxes are a small price to pay to head off revolution (a funny statement in a country that supposedly revolted against taxes). That is the only "obligation"..to prevent revolution.

There has to be a balance...and really, no one argues against that. We simply argue where the line is drawn.

A no talent burger flipper earning $32K? Why would anyone bother to get their GED? Why would anyone bother to their spend time/money to learn lower end skills to earn the same amount as a burger flipper? What would happen to BK manager pay...who would want to work for $36K, putting in long hours and putting up with your often flippant flipper workers who would be earning almost as much as you? And how much would a burger cost if everyone earned over $32K to bring it to you (say goodbye to the dollar menu and value meals)? So, you pay the 20 workers twice as much, and the 2,000 customers per day can't purchase as much (and some lower income people won't be able to purchase anything - thanks a lot).

In the end, all pay would need to go up, some dramatically (a someone pointed out, unions and government contracts often are tied to a tier above minimum wage, so it is no wonder those folks support the raise). And for what? A temporary "feel good" measure for our entry level workers? Ohhh...for a few months they get to feel happy. Oh, and some would lose their gubmint bennies. Tragedy? Watch how quickly some folks quit their jobs...and then watch as politicians get hounded to raise the minimum levels for such benefits.

Nah...there is no need to suddenly double people's pay - unless we want to end up with 100% inflation and the dollar tied to the Italian lira.

[Ibanez]

So low wage earners want more money to be given to them for doing what is expected of them? Low wage earners, who are obviously in those jobs as adults for a reason, don't want to put forth the extra effort to rise above their circumstances and we are rallying behind them? If Danny, aged 45, is flipping burgers because 30 years ago he was flipping off teachers and doobies instead of studying, expects any sympathy from me, he can forget about it.

This is part of being an adult: dealing with your choices. They made the choice to ignore the education that so many people would kill to have and fought prejudice to have. They made the choice to throw away the opportunity so they could have one more bong hit, one night stand, keg party, GTL, etc... Now, they must live with it. Do something with that.

If a homeless girl can go to HARVARD, surely, LaTrell at the Burger King in Compton can figure out a way to go to a community college. Shit, you don't need to be a doctor. Go become a medical assistant, mechanic, dental assistant, landscaper, etc... In Charleston, go to Trident Tech, learn welding and make $50-60k starting out (you work in a shit poor area, but hey, that money will go a long way and you'll have benefits.)

[ASUMountaineer]

7) Better home lives. Mothers and Fathers that stick around would help this as well. It all starts in the HOME.

Spoiler: show

Btw, I like how you misspelled education.

The destruction of the Family unit is the real danger. However, I have a real problem with people who think fast food workers are lazy. If you want to talk about lazy, Look at the U.S. Post Office, Ford, GMC and Other places where unskilled workers make a lot of money.

All Obama voters.

[D1B]

The destruction of the Family unit is the real danger. However, I have a real problem with people who think fast food workers are lazy. If you want to talk about lazy, Look at the U.S. Post Office, Ford, GMC and Other places where unskilled workers make a lot of money.

All Obama voters.

Not all. I know many GM and former GM workers and they're as conk as conk gets - racist and uneducated, just like the conk voter base.

[ASUMountaineer]

All Obama voters.

Not all. I know many GM and former GM workers and they're as conk as conk gets - racist and uneducated, just like the conk voter base.

Ugh...why you got to start shit with people talking shit for shit's sake?

[GannonFan]

All Obama voters.

Not all. I know many GM and former GM workers and they're as conk as conk gets - racist and uneducated, just like the conk voter base.

Eh, to an unfortunately large extent, uneducated refers to both parties and a good chunk of their bases. Arguing over which party is slightly more stupid than the other party is missing the forest for the trees.

[Cap'n Cat]

24-year old, dumbazz ho-bag wants more money to flip burgers so she can support her three little deductions.

She wanted to be an independent big girl and ended up spreading her legs for the thug sperm donor of the week, who is probably some other worthless, "independent" drain on the system.

Too stupid to stop after the first pregnancy, or the second, she should just idle up to Sharpton, Jackson, and Frank and ask them to personally pony up the money to take care of her kids.

She's a parasite...and so are her kids. Nothing more.

[D1B]

Not all. I know many GM and former GM workers and they're as conk as conk gets - racist and uneducated, just like the conk voter base.

Eh, to an unfortunately large extent, uneducated refers to both parties and a good chunk of their bases. Arguing over which party is slightly more stupid than the other party is missing the forest for the trees.

Fair point. Conk voter base though is without a doubt more racist and violent.

[BDKJMU]

Eh, to an unfortunately large extent, uneducated refers to both parties and a good chunk of their bases. Arguing over which party is slightly more stupid than the other party is missing the forest for the trees.

Fair point. Conk voter base though is without a doubt more racist and violent.

Yeah, all those inner cities with their sky high crime rates are due to all those violent, racist conks..