Memorial Day and thoughts about the War on Terror

[YoUDeeMan]

yeah, some dude named Obama bin Laden was a really poor Saudi, wasn't he?

kalm, you struck out on this one.

Poverty isn't the cause of terrorism. Muslinism is a large part of the problem...and our insistence on being Mr. World Policeman Enforcer is a large part of the problem. No goat herder in Afghanistan would give two sh*ts about the US of A if we weren't over there shooting up their people.

We had a ton of poverty in this country...and we didn't have a lot of terrorists. Of course, we also didn't have radical imams preaching death and destruction to the infidels.

We still have some poverty (that is hard to type with a straight face...thank goodness I am not gay), especially in our cities...but our "poor" folks are certainly not poor compared to the world. Hell, they have Obama phones.

Instead of conjuring up terror strikes against the US government, our "poor" folks spend their time killing each other and other "poor" gang members in a quest for power. Who knew inner city Blacks and Hispanics were actually Repukes...too bad they don't vote (hey, those damned Donks should allow more power hungry, capitalistic, power hungry, Conk, felons to vote).

Of course, every once in a while some nut job goes all Rambo, takes out a few innocent people, and the media screams, "right-wing, gun, toting, terror-zombie!" In the meantime, thousands of people are getting gunned down in our cities and no one gives a sh*t.

The War on Terror is a giant, self-inflicted joke, and the concept is being used as an excuse to spend gobs of money ("gobs," of course, being an official term for "shitload") on new, expensive shoot-'em-up gadgets and more monitoring devices used to observe and control people.

Unfortunately, OUR people.

[Chizzang]

Poverty isn't the cause of terrorism. Muslinism is a large part of the problem...and our insistence on being Mr. World Policeman Enforcer is a large part of the problem. No goat herder in Afghanistan would give two sh*ts about the US of A if we weren't over there shooting up their people.

We had a ton of poverty in this country...and we didn't have a lot of terrorists. Of course, we also didn't have radical imams preaching death and destruction to the infidels.

Obviously poverty is NOT the cause...
But poverty does provide an endless supply of those with nothing to lose - it cannot be denied that poverty is part of the very complex mixture of issues

That said: I do believe the RELIGION of Islam is the primary problem

[YoUDeeMan]

Poverty isn't the cause of terrorism. Muslinism is a large part of the problem...and our insistence on being Mr. World Policeman Enforcer is a large part of the problem. No goat herder in Afghanistan would give two sh*ts about the US of A if we weren't over there shooting up their people.

We had a ton of poverty in this country...and we didn't have a lot of terrorists. Of course, we also didn't have radical imams preaching death and destruction to the infidels.

Obviously poverty is NOT the cause...
But poverty does provide an endless supply of those with nothing to lose - it cannot be denied that poverty is part of the very complex mixture of issues

That said: I do believe the RELIGION of Islam is the primary problem

Again, how many of the known terrorists were povertiers (I'm coining that word)?

I'm not sold on the idea that most are poor.

I'm not talking about the goat herders in Afghanistan who are shooting at our soldiers, or the people who were shooting us in Iraq. Or those in Somalia. They ain't terrorists any more than any of our kids shooting at or killing any occupying force (Wolverines!). They're just freedom fighters or rebels on the wrong side of a PR campaign...and they probably represent as much of a broad breadth of their country's economic class as would our own freedom fighters.

You have plenty of mindless zombies, many educated - with time to spare and angst to vent, willing to sacrifice themselves for a cause...and they ain't all poor. I'd think that really poor people would tend to focus on trying to eat and survive rather than finding a way to kill themselves halfway around the world for a cause.

[travelinman67]

PFC D. Lance McDonald 2/26 September 16, 1968

We will never forget you.

[kalm]

yeah, some dude named Obama bin Laden was a really poor Saudi, wasn't he?

kalm, you struck out on this one.

Poverty isn't the cause of terrorism. Muslinism is a large part of the problem...and our insistence on being Mr. World Policeman Enforcer is a large part of the problem. No goat herder in Afghanistan would give two sh*ts about the US of A if we weren't over there shooting up their people.

We had a ton of poverty in this country...and we didn't have a lot of terrorists. Of course, we also didn't have radical imams preaching death and destruction to the infidels.

We still have some poverty (that is hard to type with a straight face...thank goodness I am not gay), especially in our cities...but our "poor" folks are certainly not poor compared to the world. Hell, they have Obama phones.

Instead of conjuring up terror strikes against the US government, our "poor" folks spend their time killing each other and other "poor" gang members in a quest for power. Who knew inner city Blacks and Hispanics were actually Repukes...too bad they don't vote (hey, those damned Donks should allow more power hungry, capitalistic, power hungry, Conk, felons to vote).

Of course, every once in a while some nut job goes all Rambo, takes out a few innocent people, and the media screams, "right-wing, gun, toting, terror-zombie!" In the meantime, thousands of people are getting gunned down in our cities and no one gives a sh*t.

The War on Terror is a giant, self-inflicted joke, and the concept is being used as an excuse to spend gobs of money ("gobs," of course, being an official term for "shitload") on new, expensive shoot-'em-up gadgets and more monitoring devices used to observe and control people.

Unfortunately, OUR people.

Like I said...a combination of desperation and fundamentalism. You and BDK should read thoroughly before posting...

[BDKJMU]

GD it, started responding to a 2013 post..

[Ibanez]

Might as well be afraid of flying and lightning too.


Sent from the center of the universe.

Flying and lightening are real things...terrorism is a concept...you can't fight concepts...

You also can't defeat an ideology. Only the people who support it. We defeated Hitler and Nazi Germany but Nazi's still exist.

[CAA Flagship]

Flying and lightening are real things...terrorism is a concept...you can't fight concepts...

You also can't defeat an ideology. Only the people who support it. We defeated Hitler and Nazi Germany but Nazi's still exist.

I know of one in Montana.

[travelinman67]

You also can't defeat an ideology. Only the people who support it. We defeated Hitler and Nazi Germany but Nazi's still exist.

I know of one in Montana.

So do I

[CID1990]

Flying and lightening are real things...terrorism is a concept...you can't fight concepts...

You also can't defeat an ideology. Only the people who support it. We defeated Hitler and Nazi Germany but Nazi's still exist.

Also apostrophes where they shouldn't.

[Ibanez]

You also can't defeat an ideology. Only the people who support it. We defeated Hitler and Nazi Germany but Nazi's still exist.

Also apostrophes where they shouldn't.

Oh for the love of god.


By the way, should there not be a comma after "also"? That is a free-standing sentence.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

PFC D. Lance McDonald 2/26 September 16, 1968

We will never forget you.

^ is what Memorial Day is supposed to be about. I am not taking exception to this thread, I think a reflection on war and where we are and how we got here is good as well.

The one thing I do take exception too is it seems like many have no damn clue wtf Memorial day is except a 3 day weekend for them to go to the lake and boat.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

One thing I forgot to mention in my post above was that not that long ago, people knew memorial day was to remember the war veterans who perished defending our country. They knew because almost everyone knew someone that died doing just that. I think we have a come a long way so it isn't all bad.

[AZGrizFan]

Oh spare us the inequality BS vis a vi the terrorists who are targeting America. The 9/11 terrorists, tje shoe bomber terrorist Richard Reid, the Underwear Bomber, the UK terrorists from the transatlantic liquid bomb threat, the Times Square bomber, the Fort Hood terrorist Nidal Hasan, the Boston Bombers, and on and on and on. They were all middle to upper middle class to wealthy. Has nothing to do with inequality BS.

Rudolph, Nichols, Mcvey, Unabomber were upper middle to wealthy? Nidal Hassan was an O-4, making about $50,000. I'd hardly call that Upper middle class to wealthy.

O-4E over 21 years of service, base pay in 2009 was $80,676. BOQ of $13,536 per annum. Potentially eligible for $7,999.20 per annum special pay for Medical Officers. Eligible for $20,000 "incentive pay" for Psychiatry Medical OFficers. $2,676.48 in BAS per annum. Total pay of $124,887.68 for an O-4E Medical Officer.

[travelinman67]

One thing I forgot to mention in my post above was that not that long ago, people knew memorial day was to remember the war veterans who perished defending our country. They knew because almost everyone knew someone that died doing just that. I think we have a come a long way so it isn't all bad.

PTSD and suicide rates are higher. Though it's being discussed somewhat, it's not seriously being addressed because the politicians can't pin medals on former SSGT Ronald Alvarez from Las Cruces, back five months, who drives out onto the mesa and eats his gun.

The days of Americans blindly supporting returning soldiers are over.

[Chizzang]

The days of Americans blindly supporting returning soldiers are over.

Americans don't understand why we're at war...
Our Federal Government can't give a coherent logically consistent reason
Nor can they specifically identify an enemy

Instead we get:
Vague descriptions and orange threat colors
and images of Hellfire missiles hitting what amount to goat herders with AK47s

Strange times

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I am so glad we have a warrior like Cleets to set the record straight and learn us some skoolin.

[YoUDeeMan]

Like I said...a combination of desperation and fundamentalism. You and BDK should read thoroughly before posting...

You did not define, "desperation", although you talked about inequities, so I'll assume the two are linked and related to income inequities (your specialty topic) instead of sexual inequities (that might be a reason the 72 virgins are so popular), or the inability to have access to good scrapple (note: this spell check was probably created by a Muslin because it doesn't recognize, "scrapple"...a subtle form of discrimination towards the pork eating infidels).

If you are limiting it to income inequality, then please provide proof that such inequality plays a part (and a large part, since you only provided two items in your combination) in people turning into terrorist zombies. In that case, we should be very afraid if our own kids get into Muslinism (regular old Muslinism is a gateway religion into real Muslinism), because they will then be going down the dark side of a slippery slope. "I'm on a boat, yo'" can get these yutes riled up sumfin fierce, and the next thing you know they'll be dancing around yacht clubs with IEDs tied to their bodies.

[AZGrizFan]

The days of Americans blindly supporting returning soldiers are over.

Americans don't understand why we're at war...
Our Federal Government can't give a coherent logically consistent reason
Nor can they specifically identify an enemy

Instead we get:
Vague descriptions and orange threat colors
and images of Hellfire missiles hitting what amount to goat herders with AK47s

Strange times

When was the last time you heard anything about a threat level/color?

[YoUDeeMan]

Americans don't understand why we're at war...
Our Federal Government can't give a coherent logically consistent reason
Nor can they specifically identify an enemy

Instead we get:
Vague descriptions and orange threat colors
and images of Hellfire missiles hitting what amount to goat herders with AK47s

Strange times

When was the last time you heard anything about a threat level/color?

We're at WAR, dammit...have some manners.

[AZGrizFan]

When was the last time you heard anything about a threat level/color?

We're at WAR, dammit...have some manners.

[travelinman67]

The days of Americans blindly supporting returning soldiers are over.

Americans don't understand why we're at war...
Our Federal Government can't give a coherent logically consistent reason
Nor can they specifically identify an enemy

Instead we get:
Vague descriptions and orange threat color
and images of Hellfire missiles hitting what amount to goat herders with AK47s

Strange times

Horseshit!

If you don't know why we're at war and who the enemy is, you're a blind, deaf moron.

If you need help, catch a flight to Islamabad and take a stroll through the market wearing a crucifix or Star of David. It was a pleasure to know you.

Under Obama, Americans have become lazy and ignorant. They are no longer worthy to receive protection from the men and women who stand tall as members of our armed services.

[Ibanez]

Americans don't understand why we're at war...
Our Federal Government can't give a coherent logically consistent reason
Nor can they specifically identify an enemy

Instead we get:
Vague descriptions and orange threat color
and images of Hellfire missiles hitting what amount to goat herders with AK47s

Strange times

Horseshit!

If you don't know why we're at war and who the enemy is, you're a blind, deaf moron.

If you need help, catch a flight to Islamabad and take a stroll through the market wearing a crucifix or Star of David. It was a pleasure to know you.

Under Obama, Americans have become lazy and ignorant. They are no longer worthy to receive protection from the men and women who stand tall as members of our armed services.

We were lazy way before Obama was inaugurated.

[Chizzang]

Americans don't understand why we're at war...
Our Federal Government can't give a coherent logically consistent reason
Nor can they specifically identify an enemy

Instead we get:
Vague descriptions and orange threat colors
and images of Hellfire missiles hitting what amount to goat herders with AK47s

Strange times

When was the last time you heard anything about a threat level/color?

Every time I'm at the Airport...
Which is almost every week

You need to get out more

[travelinman67]

Horseshit!

If you don't know why we're at war and who the enemy is, you're a blind, deaf moron.

If you need help, catch a flight to Islamabad and take a stroll through the market wearing a crucifix or Star of David. It was a pleasure to know you.

Under Obama, Americans have become lazy and ignorant. They are no longer worthy to receive protection from the men and women who stand tall as members of our armed services.

We were lazy way before Obama was inaugurated.

...your response: Defend Obama.

Proving my assertion.

Try thinking next time.