Texas to Secede?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

How many threads do we really need on this? Doesn't this make three?

D'oh!

One for each state. Pipe down.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

[Gil Dobie]

How many threads do we really need on this? Doesn't this make three?

D'oh!

One for each state. Pipe down.

You know, we could go down to the county level and really have some good threads going.

[CitadelGrad]

I wonder why that is?

Its the Civil War........lol

The War of Northern Aggression. The War for Southern Independence. The War to Keep Negros in Their Place.

It wasn't the Civil War. There was nothing civil about it.

[SoCalAg]

Its the Civil War........lol

The War of Northern Aggression. The War for Southern Independence. The War to Keep Negros in Their Place.

It wasn't the Civil War. There was nothing civil about it.

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

[SDHornet]

The War of Northern Aggression. The War for Southern Independence. The War to Keep Negros in Their Place.

It wasn't the Civil War. There was nothing civil about it.

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

Careful, that Sherman fellow touches a never with those Citadel folk.

[CitadelGrad]

The War of Northern Aggression. The War for Southern Independence. The War to Keep Negros in Their Place.

It wasn't the Civil War. There was nothing civil about it.

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

General Sherman is buried in St. Louis. Every year on his birthday, I go to his grave site and piss on it.

[houndawg]

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

General Sherman is buried in St. Louis. Every year on his birthday, I go to his grave site and piss on it.

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You gotta admit that it was an asswhuppin' for the ages.....

[Grizalltheway]

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

General Sherman is buried in St. Louis. Every year on his birthday, I go to his grave site and piss on it.

Right after your master pees in your mouth, no doubt.

[Ibanez]

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

General Sherman is buried in St. Louis. Every year on his birthday, I go to his grave site and piss on it.

Geez. The CSA was a bad idea. Confederacies are not good forms of government. However, the war did stunt our growth and redevelopment. Luckily, Johnson was from Tennessee and that really saves the South during Reconstruction.

[CID1990]

General Sherman is buried in St. Louis. Every year on his birthday, I go to his grave site and piss on it.

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You gotta admit that it was an asswhuppin' for the ages.....

Yeah, it was like me and your sister after Jerime softened her up for about 3 years first.

[houndawg]

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You gotta admit that it was an asswhuppin' for the ages.....

Yeah, it was like me and your sister after Jerime softened her up for about 3 years first.

Don't be an ingrate, she bought the strap-on just for you. Something about honoring the traditions of your alma mater..

[DSUrocks07]

Obama's response:

[JohnStOnge]

Obama's response:

Gee I wish this was a "Louisiana to Secede?" thread so a letter like that could be answered with a quick, "OK. We''ll let you know later what we're going to charge for you to get cargo through the mouth of the Mississippi River."

But Texas would still be fine. It'd be better off in the long term for sure with what's going on with the national government right now.

[JohnStOnge]

This seems like a good place to post this:

http://www.sunherald.com/2012/11/27/432 ... mpany.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

n March 2, 1861, after seven states had seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln's inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that said, "No State or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the Union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States."

Several months earlier, Reps. Daniel E. Sickles of New York, Thomas B. Florence of Pennsylvania and Otis S. Ferry of Connecticut proposed a constitutional amendment to prohibit secession. Here's my no-brainer question: Would there have been any point to offering these amendments if secession were already unconstitutional?

[Skjellyfetti]

This seems like a good place to post this:

http://www.sunherald.com/2012/11/27/432 ... mpany.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

n March 2, 1861, after seven states had seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln's inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that said, "No State or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the Union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States."

Several months earlier, Reps. Daniel E. Sickles of New York, Thomas B. Florence of Pennsylvania and Otis S. Ferry of Connecticut proposed a constitutional amendment to prohibit secession. Here's my no-brainer question: Would there have been any point to offering these amendments if secession were already unconstitutional?

Secession was Consitutionally vague in the 1860's, imo.

But, the Civil War settled it.

As did the Supreme Court

the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While an interesting discussion in antebellum days... it's a moot point now.

[JohnStOnge]

As did the Supreme Court

As is the case with military force, the Court saying something effectively "settles" it in the sense of what's actually done. But it does not settle it in terms of what the Constitution really requires or doesn't require in terms of what it actually says and how given language was intended/understood. There are many Supreme Court decisions that don't adhere to the original understanding of the Constitution and I don't think anybody would even argue with that assertion. They'd argue that we shouldn't stick to original understanding. But they wouldn't argue that original understanding has not been violated by the Supreme Court.

There is no way the original States would've ratified the Constitution if they had been told that it required that they had no option to leave the Union if they wished. They considered themselves to be sovereign.

[mrklean]

Its the Civil War........lol

The War of Northern Aggression. The War for Southern Independence. The War to Keep Negros in Their Place.

It wasn't the Civil War. There was nothing civil about it.

The War of GODS JUSTICE!

[mrklean]

The War of Northern Aggression. The War for Southern Independence. The War to Keep Negros in Their Place.

It wasn't the Civil War. There was nothing civil about it.

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

[OL FU]

The War in Which General Sherman Kicked Your Ass

Careful, that Sherman fellow touches a never with those Citadel folk.

After living in Atlanta for 6 months, Sherman was an idiot. He should have brought better matches

[mrklean]

Careful, that Sherman fellow touches a never with those Citadel folk.

After living in Atlanta for 6 months, Sherman was an idiot. He should have brought better matches

The ATL. was not that bad. What about the Women??

[Skjellyfetti]

They considered themselves to be sovereign.

They were sovereign under the Articles of Confederation. The states dissolved the Articles and ceded power to the Federal government when they established the Constitution.

The Supremacy Clause establishes Federal law as the "SUPREME law of the land."

sovereign: adj. Possessing supreme or ultimate power.

States do not possess supreme or ultimate power. They are not sovereign. Sorry.

[JohnStOnge]

The Supremacy Clause establishes Federal law as the "SUPREME law of the land."

sovereign: adj. Possessing supreme or ultimate power.

States do not possess supreme or ultimate power. They are not sovereign. Sorry.

They gave up some sovereignity as a condition of being part of the Union. That is not the same as saying they agreed that they did not have the option of leaving the Union. They never said that.

And saying that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land is not the same as saying States were obligated to remain in the Union. It was the Surpreme Law of the Union. Again, that's not the same as saying States did not have the option to leave the Union. There is nothing in the Constitution saying that States do not have the option of leaving the Union. And there was nothing in the original agreement between the original States saying that.

[Skjellyfetti]

Again, that's not the same as saying States did not have the option to leave the Union. There is nothing in the Constitution saying that States do not have the option of leaving the Union. And there was nothing in the original agreement between the original States saying that.

I agree.

I already said secession was constitutionally vague in the 1860's. It is no longer, though... so, the discussion is pretty pointless.

[OL FU]

After living in Atlanta for 6 months, Sherman was an idiot. He should have brought better matches

The ATL. was not that bad. What about the Women??

What part of 285 do they hang out at