89Hen wrote:
You can post it a dozen more times, but it won't make it any more true. Republicans didn't vote for Gary Johnson because HE DID NOT HAVE AN 'R' NEXT TO HIS NAME and he was NOT a viable candidate during yesterday's election.
What is the deal with the all-caps, are you 12?
You can avoid the question all you want, doesn't make you correct.
What about the GOP since 2000 shows it supports conservatism? The GOP has clearly lost its way, and it's because it turned its back on conservatism. This concept is supported given that Republicans would rather support a self-proclaimed and proven "progressive" than a proven conservative. Pretty simple concept.
BTW, I never asked why Republicans didn't vote for Johnson last night. I asked why they despise conservatism.
I'm glad I'm not the only guy who drives 89Hen completely bonkers
Q: Name something that offends Republicans?
A: The actual teachings of Jesus
There was nothing conservative about Bush coming into office giving huge tax breaks to billionares, billions to prescription drug companies, starting two unfunded wars, and turning a budget surplus into the mess that Obama inherited when he was elected.
Think about how much better a candidate McCain was than Romney, and McCain lost entirely because of Bush.
ASUMountaineer wrote:
What is the deal with the all-caps, are you 12?
You can avoid the question all you want, doesn't make you correct.
What about the GOP since 2000 shows it supports conservatism? The GOP has clearly lost its way, and it's because it turned its back on conservatism. This concept is supported given that Republicans would rather support a self-proclaimed and proven "progressive" than a proven conservative. Pretty simple concept.
BTW, I never asked why Republicans didn't vote for Johnson last night. I asked why they despise conservatism.
I'm glad I'm not the only guy who drives 89Hen completely bonkers
Uh oh, I'm in the same corner as Cleets now. WTF?!?
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89Hen wrote:
You can post it a dozen more times, but it won't make it any more true. Republicans didn't vote for Gary Johnson because HE DID NOT HAVE AN 'R' NEXT TO HIS NAME and he was NOT a viable candidate during yesterday's election.
What is the deal with the all-caps, are you 12?
You can avoid the question all you want, doesn't make you correct.
What about the GOP since 2000 shows it supports conservatism? The GOP has clearly lost its way, and it's because it turned its back on conservatism. This concept is supported given that Republicans would rather support a self-proclaimed and proven "progressive" than a proven conservative. Pretty simple concept.
BTW, I never asked why Republicans didn't vote for Johnson last night. I asked why they despise conservatism.
The caps are because you obviously can't read lower case. Republicans don't hate conservatism, but they may think it's unelectable. Your question was:
ASUMountaineer wrote:At least Gary Johnson offered a different vision. Why do Republicans despise conservatives?
Were you not (is bold italics better for you?) trying to say that not voting for Gary Johnson proved Republicans don't like conservatism?
Wedgebuster wrote:There was nothing conservative about Bush coming into office giving huge tax breaks to billionares, billions to prescription drug companies, starting two unfunded wars, and turning a budget surplus into the mess that Obama inherited when he was elected.
Think about how much better a candidate McCain was than Romney, and McCain lost entirely because of Bush.
Yup, this.
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You can avoid the question all you want, doesn't make you correct.
What about the GOP since 2000 shows it supports conservatism? The GOP has clearly lost its way, and it's because it turned its back on conservatism. This concept is supported given that Republicans would rather support a self-proclaimed and proven "progressive" than a proven conservative. Pretty simple concept.
BTW, I never asked why Republicans didn't vote for Johnson last night. I asked why they despise conservatism.
The caps are because you obviously can't read lower case. Republicans don't hate conservatism, but they may think it's unelectable. Your question was:
ASUMountaineer wrote:At least Gary Johnson offered a different vision. Why do Republicans despise conservatives?
Were you not (is bold italics better for you?) trying to say that not voting for Gary Johnson proved Republicans don't like conservatism?
You're cute when you're riled up. I can read lower case just fine. If you were making a valid point you wouldn't have to use caps.
I have made this clear with previous posts, but sure I'll try again.
The fact that Gary Johnson is belittled by so-called Republican conservatives is an indication that Republicans despise conservatism. All of the other items I've mentioned since 2000 (unfunded Rx drug benefit plan, unfunded wars, tax cuts while increasing spending, PATRIOT Act, TARP, etc.) are further proof that Republicans despise conservatism. If Republicans don't despise conservatism, then why do they dismiss it and embrace progressive ideas?
I see that deciding conservatism is unelectable and choosing progressive candidates has worked well for the GOP.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:I have made this clear with previous posts, but sure I'll try again.
The fact that Gary Johnson is belittled by so-called Republican conservatives...
STOP
How about small, all caps and bolded?
Where did anyone belittle Gary Johnson? You're making leaps again.
Oh wow, did you not notice that "conservatives" is pluralized? But, looking at this board, look at the so-called conservatives that have ranted about Johnson voters wasting their votes. You're being oblivious again.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:I see that deciding conservatism is unelectable and choosing progressive candidates has worked well for the GOP.
BTW, I've been clear all along that I thought we deserved a lot better than Mitt. That said, this race ended up a lot closer than I would have ever thought. Perhaps Christie would have had a chance, but that's a stretch. Considering the ass-whipping of 2008, I think last night was probably as close as any R could have realistically hoped (paid pundits aside).
Where did anyone belittle Gary Johnson? You're making leaps again.
Oh wow, did you not notice that "conservatives" is pluralized? But, looking at this board, look at the so-called conservatives that have ranted about Johnson voters wasting their votes. You're being oblivious again.
You're being obtuse again. A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote. I can say that even if I thought Johnson was a better candidate than Romney. A vote for Jill Stein was a wasted vote. A vote for Virgil Goode was a wasted vote. Nobody will remember Gary Johnson. He will barely be a footnote. Not because he didn't have good ideas, but because 99% of the people either didn't agree with him, didn't know him, or realized that voting for him was a wasted vote. I am the 99%. I am the 99%.
ASUMountaineer wrote:I see that deciding conservatism is unelectable and choosing progressive candidates has worked well for the GOP.
BTW, I've been clear all along that I thought we deserved a lot better than Mitt. That said, this race ended up a lot closer than I would have ever thought. Perhaps Christie would have had a chance, but that's a stretch. Considering the ass-whipping of 2008, I think last night was probably as close as any R could have realistically hoped (paid pundits aside).
Perhaps, but Obama was beatable. Romney was a very weak candidate who had a worse campaign staff. It's amazing to me that he was the "best" the GOP could come up with. He was the Republicans' version of John Kerry.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:Perhaps, but Obama was beatable. Romney was a very weak candidate who had a worse campaign staff. It's amazing to me that he was the "best" the GOP could come up with. He was the Republicans' version of John Kerry.
ASUMountaineer wrote:
Oh wow, did you not notice that "conservatives" is pluralized? But, looking at this board, look at the so-called conservatives that have ranted about Johnson voters wasting their votes. You're being oblivious again.
You're being obtuse again. A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote. I can say that even if I thought Johnson was a better candidate than Romney. A vote for Jill Stein was a wasted vote. A vote for Virgil Goode was a wasted vote. Nobody will remember Gary Johnson. He will barely be a footnote. Not because he didn't have good ideas, but because 99% of the people either didn't agree with him, didn't know him, or realized that voting for him was a wasted vote. I am the 99%. I am the 99%.
Hardly being obtuse. Just being objective.
I couldn't disagree with you more (back to square one)? A vote for someone that doesn't represent your ideals is a wasted vote. Hence why I didn't vote for Romney. I don't take my vote lightly, and I'm not going to cast it to someone that hasn't earned it. I don't even think Romney was sure how he would govern if he was elected, how could anyone else claim to be sure he would do what he said? He has a track record of being for something before he was against it.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:
Now, what about the rest of my post? Of those policies I've listed, which show that Republicans support conservatism?
Republicans will support any candidate they think can win the election. Same goes for Dems.
I never mentioned Dems, but the Democrats Party is exactly the same. The GOP will vote for any candidate, regardless of position, so long as there's an R beside his name. I know this to be true, and I think it's a sad indictment on why we are where we are today. The GOP is ideologically dead.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:
Oh wow, did you not notice that "conservatives" is pluralized? But, looking at this board, look at the so-called conservatives that have ranted about Johnson voters wasting their votes. You're being oblivious again.
You're being obtuse again. A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote. I can say that even if I thought Johnson was a better candidate than Romney. A vote for Jill Stein was a wasted vote. A vote for Virgil Goode was a wasted vote. Nobody will remember Gary Johnson. He will barely be a footnote. Not because he didn't have good ideas, but because 99% of the people either didn't agree with him, didn't know him, or realized that voting for him was a wasted vote. I am the 99%. I am the 99%.
I know this discussion is winding down, but out of curiosity...why does this matter? How does this determine that a vote was wasted?
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89Hen wrote:
You're being obtuse again. A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote. I can say that even if I thought Johnson was a better candidate than Romney. A vote for Jill Stein was a wasted vote. A vote for Virgil Goode was a wasted vote. Nobody will remember Gary Johnson. He will barely be a footnote. Not because he didn't have good ideas, but because 99% of the people either didn't agree with him, didn't know him, or realized that voting for him was a wasted vote. I am the 99%. I am the 99%.
Hardly being obtuse. Just being objective.
I couldn't disagree with you more (back to square one)? A vote for someone that doesn't represent your ideals is a wasted vote. Hence why I didn't vote for Romney. I don't take my vote lightly, and I'm not going to cast it to someone that hasn't earned it. I don't even think Romney was sure how he would govern if he was elected, how could anyone else claim to be sure he would do what he said? He has a track record of being for something before he was against it.
You can disagree that a vote for Johnson is less wasted than a vote for a candidate that has a chance at winning, but that doesn't mean that "Republicans hate conservatism" because R's didn't vote for a candidate that was assured to get 1% and be nothing more than a footnote.
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89Hen wrote:
You're being obtuse again. A vote for Johnson is a wasted vote. I can say that even if I thought Johnson was a better candidate than Romney. A vote for Jill Stein was a wasted vote. A vote for Virgil Goode was a wasted vote. Nobody will remember Gary Johnson. He will barely be a footnote. Not because he didn't have good ideas, but because 99% of the people either didn't agree with him, didn't know him, or realized that voting for him was a wasted vote. I am the 99%. I am the 99%.
I know this discussion is winding down, but out of curiosity...why does this matter? How does this determine that a vote was wasted?
Maybe you feel better not having voted for O or Romney, so for you it's not wasted, but IMO a vote for Gary Johnson was a silent vote on principle. The only people who know you voted for him were you and the 10 people reading this poli forum.
ASUMountaineer wrote:
Hardly being obtuse. Just being objective.
I couldn't disagree with you more (back to square one)? A vote for someone that doesn't represent your ideals is a wasted vote. Hence why I didn't vote for Romney. I don't take my vote lightly, and I'm not going to cast it to someone that hasn't earned it. I don't even think Romney was sure how he would govern if he was elected, how could anyone else claim to be sure he would do what he said? He has a track record of being for something before he was against it.
You can disagree that a vote for Johnson is less wasted than a vote for a candidate that has a chance at winning, but that doesn't mean that "Republicans hate conservatism" because R's didn't vote for a candidate that was assured to get 1% and be nothing more than a footnote.
I never said it solely did. However, when coupled with voting for a self-described and proven "progressive," it just further demonstrates that Republicans despise conservatism (along with every major policy the GOP has proffered since 2000).
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ASUMountaineer wrote:
I know this discussion is winding down, but out of curiosity...why does this matter? How does this determine that a vote was wasted?
Maybe you feel better not having voted for O or Romney, so for you it's not wasted, but IMO a vote for Gary Johnson was a silent vote on principle. The only people who know you voted for him were you and the 10 people reading this poli forum.
I don't see why that's a bad thing. It's more important for me to vote on principle than to vote for the winner.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:I don't see why that's a bad thing. It's more important for me to vote on principle than to vote for the winner.
Who said anything about voting for the winner? I said voting for somebody who has a chance of winning.
If I thought Gary Johnson had a shot at an important threshold that either guaranteed a spot in debates for a third party, or that they'd be on the ballot in every state next election... I can absolutely see that as a vote not wasted.
Going in to this election we knew that GJ would not get even close to 2%.
You can post it a dozen more times, but it won't make it any more true. Republicans didn't vote for Gary Johnson because HE DID NOT HAVE AN 'R' NEXT TO HIS NAME and he was NOT a viable candidate during yesterday's election.
