What parts...the convenient ones or the ones that might not fit your view?dbackjon wrote:Col Hogan wrote:What am I missing here...
WWJD??? Not support groups that oppose his teachings...
I think you and the rest of the Catholic hate group need to actually study the Bible...
Coming from you, I consider that a badge of honor...especially since people who really know me would laugh at your assessment...Cap'n Cat wrote:dbackjon wrote:
I think you and the rest of the Catholic hate group need to actually study the Bible...
Col Hogan is the most hateful Conk on this board, bar none.
When you're bigots, you're gonna get called out. When you're beleifs are fucked, you're gonna get called out.Cluck U wrote:The most screwed up thing about this is that some people want to tell other people what to do with their money.
dback, when have you given your money and time to a mosque? My guess is that you haven't...why not?
This is simple...the Catholic Church makes decisions based upon their beliefs...and if they, not you, judge that homosexuality is against their teachings, then that's what they believe. They aren't saying that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to live...they've just decided that they want to spend their money on something closer to their beliefs. Frankly, they can choose to spend their money any way they want so stop being an azz.
I've "broken bread" with Jon. He's a good guy. I hate him for a purely selfish reason: He didn't hit on me or try to cop a feel.Col Hogan wrote:Coming from you, I consider that a badge of honor...especially since people who really know me would laugh at your assessment...Cap'n Cat wrote:
Col Hogan is the most hateful Conk on this board, bar none.
Since you pretend to know the Bible better than I, please educate me...show me where Jesus supported gays or homosexuals...
He did teach "hate the sin, but love the sinner"...I have broken bread with Jon twice and will again...there is no hate in my heart for him...
Yet you feel qualified to judge me hateful...SMFH
Col Hogan wrote:Coming from you, I consider that a badge of honor...especially since people who really know me would laugh at your assessment...Cap'n Cat wrote:
Col Hogan is the most hateful Conk on this board, bar none.
Since you pretend to know the Bible better than I, please educate me...show me where Jesus supported gays or homosexuals...
He did teach "hate the sin, but love the sinner"...I have broken bread with Jon twice and will again...there is no hate in my heart for him...
Yet you feel qualified to judge me hateful...SMFH
I don't think the good you do is worth it. Overall, you're bad for humanity.Rob Iola wrote:That's better - even better would be focusing on actual facts - there are Catholic cults (like the Mother of God community in Gaithersburg Maryland - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/lo ... ogmain.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), there are Catholic rapists in priest's garb (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), and there's the rich 2000 year old Catholic history full of scandals, power grabs, genocide, and other grief. Less well documented is the issue of homosexual men entering the seminaries and priesthood, and the church's struggles to effectively deal with something that they teach against.D1B wrote:
Rest all you want, you're still a member of a cult that discriminates against people and is actively attempting to cover up a scandal involving tens of thousands of children who were raped and molested by your priests.
Own it.
The Catholic Church also does a disproportionate amount of good in the world, not to mention prepares it's members for eternal life with God.
You disagree and point out the evil. Likewise your brother likes to point out the problems that Conks cause. Fair enough, but do you not see a problem in your rhetoric? What happened to civil discourse and the ability to argue your case without resorting to petty insults and cursing?
Excellent analysis.D1B wrote:
When you're bigots, you're gonna get called out.
Do what you want with your money, but don't think for a second the enlightened aint watching you.
For better or worse, we are humanity...D1B wrote:I don't think the good you do is worth it. Overall, you're bad for humanity.Rob Iola wrote: That's better - even better would be focusing on actual facts - there are Catholic cults (like the Mother of God community in Gaithersburg Maryland - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/lo ... ogmain.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), there are Catholic rapists in priest's garb (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), and there's the rich 2000 year old Catholic history full of scandals, power grabs, genocide, and other grief. Less well documented is the issue of homosexual men entering the seminaries and priesthood, and the church's struggles to effectively deal with something that they teach against.
The Catholic Church also does a disproportionate amount of good in the world, not to mention prepares it's members for eternal life with God.
You disagree and point out the evil. Likewise your brother likes to point out the problems that Conks cause. Fair enough, but do you not see a problem in your rhetoric? What happened to civil discourse and the ability to argue your case without resorting to petty insults and cursing?
So what? People don't like other people big fucking deal. You and I, and many others think religion is pure bullshit. We don't support it so to speak because it goes against what we believe.D1B wrote:The primary issue is that the church's beliefs are fucked. It's bigotry, plain and simple and due to size and influence of the catholic church, it breeds more bigotry.Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Didn't read the article but from what is said here I assume the recipient of the money does good deeds in it's own way. Those good deeds don't line up with what the church believes.
How the hell is that even an issue? Do gay groups give to the Catholic Church because they do some good work even though it doesn't line up with their agenda?
Gay groups can replace the money not given by the Catholic Church can they not? Show the goodness in your hearts gay community and just say "so what, we got this".
Ta Da! Should have read the second page before responding.Cluck U wrote:The most screwed up thing about this is that some people want to tell other people what to do with their money.
dback, when have you given your money and time to a mosque? My guess is that you haven't...why not?
This is simple...the Catholic Church makes decisions based upon their beliefs...and if they, not you, judge that homosexuality is against their teachings, then that's what they believe. They aren't saying that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to live...they've just decided that they want to spend their money on something closer to their beliefs. Frankly, they can choose to spend their money any way they want so stop being an azz.
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:So what? People don't like other people big fucking deal. You and I, and many others think religion is pure bullshit. We don't support it so to speak because it goes against what we believe.D1B wrote:
The primary issue is that the church's beliefs are fucked. It's bigotry, plain and simple and due to size and influence of the catholic church, it breeds more bigotry.
Just because you want to use another word for feelings doesn't mean shit.
The simple fact is that the Church does not believe in homosexuality, that's fine, I don't believe in the church for many other reasons and that last one more recently just solidifies it for me.
But, acting like they should not stand behind and believe what they want to believe is just as fucking silly of a notion and then acting like they have some obligation to do what they do not believe in is even further down the hole.
They don't have to do shit for a cause they don't believe in. Gays should be doing the work if it is something they believe in. You marginalize the fucking church by saying "we don't need ya anyway", instead of saying "we don't like you or believe as you do but we think you oughta pony up instead of us doing it.".
Cluck U wrote:Excellent analysis.D1B wrote:
When you're bigots, you're gonna get called out.
Do what you want with your money, but don't think for a second the enlightened aint watching you.
Of course, you'll be following up with a rant about how the Compañeros, the aforementioned small nonprofit organization in rural southwestern Colorado that is helping poor Hispanic immigrants with basic needs including access to health care and guidance on local laws, is bigoted since they are not spending their time and money to help Black or Asian immigrants...or poor white folks. G'damned self-serving bigots.
Follow that up with letters and posts railing about the NAACP's bigoted focus, and those damned inward looking Quebecois folks, and you might just have a start to some consistency in your beliefs.
Challenging the beliefs I totally go along with. They don't get any of my money and I would assume none of yours. Where they choose to spend their charitable money is none of our concern as where we spend ours would meet with a "go fuck yourself" if they concerned themselves in our efforts.D1B wrote:Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: So what? People don't like other people big fucking deal. You and I, and many others think religion is pure bullshit. We don't support it so to speak because it goes against what we believe.
Just because you want to use another word for feelings doesn't mean shit.
The simple fact is that the Church does not believe in homosexuality, that's fine, I don't believe in the church for many other reasons and that last one more recently just solidifies it for me.
But, acting like they should not stand behind and believe what they want to believe is just as fucking silly of a notion and then acting like they have some obligation to do what they do not believe in is even further down the hole.
They don't have to do shit for a cause they don't believe in. Gays should be doing the work if it is something they believe in. You marginalize the fucking church by saying "we don't need ya anyway", instead of saying "we don't like you or believe as you do but we think you oughta pony up instead of us doing it.".
Ursus, I totally agree, they can and should do whatever the fuck they want with their money.
All I'm saying is they're fucking bigots and NO ONE should give them a pass.
Ursus, I know its ugly, but if no one challenged that fucking cult, they still be burning witches and decapitating people for not going to church.
Fuck them.
dbackjon wrote:For three years now, Compañeros, a small nonprofit organization in rural southwestern Colorado, has received thousands of dollars from the Roman Catholic Church to help poor Hispanic immigrants with basic needs including access to health care and guidance on local laws.
But in February, the group was informed by a representative from the Diocese of Pueblo that its financing from the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, an arm of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops devoted to ending poverty, was in danger.
The problem, the diocesan liaison explained, was Compañeros’s membership in an immigrant rights coalition that had joined forces with a statewide gay and lesbian advocacy group, recounted Nicole Mosher, Compañeros’s executive director.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/us/ca ... ml?_r=1&hp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
WWJD?
Not this.
Federal Government Grants To Support USCCB MRS Programs and Services
Reception And Placement Grant This grant is funded on a per capita basis by the U.S. Department of State/Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (DOS/BPRM). The grant supports basic resettlement services to newly arriving refugees sponsored under USCCB/MRS auspices.
Cuban/Haitian Program The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) provides USCCB/MRS a grant for the processing, reception and placement of Cuban and Haitian Entrants paroled by DHS into the U.S. through a program called the Cuban/Haitian Primary/Secondary Resettlement Program.
Matching Grant Program The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Refugee Resettlement (DHHS/ORR) Voluntary Agency Matching Grant Program facilitates early economic self-sufficiency through intensive employment and other services for newly-arrived refugees. USCCB/MRS and the more than sixty participating dioceses generate at least $1 in cash and in-kind contributions for each $2 in federal funds expended.
Services To Newly Arrived Refugees This grant, funded through DHHS/ORR, provides enhanced services to newly arrived refugees at sites selected for their proven success in resettlement, under the Preferred Communities program.
Refugee Marriage And Family Strengthening
The DHHS/ORR funded grant supports USCCB/MRS in a project to pilot marriage and family strengthening models in sites across the United States in order to promote and assist in sustaining healthy marriages for refugee families.
Safe Passages I
The Safe Passages Program is funded by the Office of Refugee Resettlement/Division of Unaccompanied Childrens Services (ORR/DUCS). The program serves unaccompanied children who have been apprehended by immigration officials and who are in federal custody. The program provides family reunification services through a suitability assessment process and follow up services. It also places some of these children who are in federal custody in the Unaccompanied Refugee Minor programs for long-term placement. Finally the program funds sub-recipient Catholic social service agencies (foster care/group homes/shelter care) for immediate placement of children in federal custody.
Safe Passages II
This program is also funded by ORR/DUCS and serves unaccompanied children who have been apprehended by immigration officials. Through a team of USCCB/MRS and International Catholic Migration Commission field coordinators, recommendations regarding the placement, transfer and release of children in federal custody are made. The field coordinators are assigned to locations where there are high apprehensions of unaccompanied children and are housed within USCCB/MRS or Catholic Charities offices. This program includes initiatives to assist with capacity development, and drafting of guidelines and criteria related to the system of care for unaccompanied children.
Services To Victims Of Trafficking Technical Assistance
The DHHS/ORR-funded grant supports a joint USCCB/MRS and Catholic Charities USA project to implement a national program of technical assistance and training to organized groups, service providers and communities regarding human trafficking and the provisions of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.
It's none of our concern, unless they're getting federal money, which it looks like they do.Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Challenging the beliefs I totally go along with. They don't get any of my money and I would assume none of yours. Where they choose to spend their charitable money is none of our concern as where we spend ours would meet with a "go fuck yourself" if they concerned themselves in our efforts.D1B wrote:
Ursus, I totally agree, they can and should do whatever the fuck they want with their money.
All I'm saying is they're fucking bigots and NO ONE should give them a pass.
Ursus, I know its ugly, but if no one challenged that fucking cult, they still be burning witches and decapitating people for not going to church.
Fuck them.
I agree, your response was that of a dunce.D1B wrote:Cluck U wrote:
Excellent analysis.
Of course, you'll be following up with a rant about how the Compañeros, the aforementioned small nonprofit organization in rural southwestern Colorado that is helping poor Hispanic immigrants with basic needs including access to health care and guidance on local laws, is bigoted since they are not spending their time and money to help Black or Asian immigrants...or poor white folks. G'damned self-serving bigots.
Follow that up with letters and posts railing about the NAACP's bigoted focus, and those damned inward looking Quebecois folks, and you might just have a start to some consistency in your beliefs.
Again, plenty of groups get federal dollars to be bigots...you are simply focusing your venom on one particular group. Ironically, that makes you a bigot.D1B wrote:
And those assholes are getting federal dollars to be bigots.
They are your knuckles and if you want you treat them with such reckless abandon who am I to stop ya.D1B wrote:It's none of our concern, unless they're getting federal money, which it looks like they do.Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Challenging the beliefs I totally go along with. They don't get any of my money and I would assume none of yours. Where they choose to spend their charitable money is none of our concern as where we spend ours would meet with a "go fuck yourself" if they concerned themselves in our efforts.
Again, you're 100% correct, they can do as they please. I though, will not be silent if their actions hurt people or foster hatred. You can buy the local skin heads a round of beer at the tavern, it's your money, I'm still gonna backhand knuckle-flick you in the testicles for doing so, while we're walking to the next bar.
Bet you pulled a glute coming up with that gem! See you later at recess, Scotty.Cluck U wrote:I agree, your response was that of a dunce.D1B wrote:
Everyone is doing it, so we should just it pass, right?Cluck U wrote:Again, plenty of groups get federal dollars to be bigots...you are simply focusing your venom on one particular group. Ironically, that makes you a bigot.D1B wrote:
And those assholes are getting federal dollars to be bigots.
you are the worst spokeswoman for Gay Rights.mainejeff wrote:Gays.........we're in their heads.
I mean seriously.........is there any group or individual that is in the heads of CONKS and religious nuts more than the GAYS??? They know that they can't kill us (legally).......they can't stop us from being created (many born everyday)......they can barely identify most of us.........it kills them that they have very little control over us except to make laws that discriminate against us........or prevent laws that give us equality. But in general, we are teflon and that absolutely drives them fvckin nuts!!!
