Hack Holder Tries to Stop TX Voter ID law

[ASUG8]

That probably happens every election cycle I suspect regardless of party. Gerrymandering is one of the biggest examples. Here's NC district 12 for example, created and held by Dems by incorporating most of NC's major metro areas which have the highest minority prescence.



http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/house ... arolina/12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prior to the post: False Premise, ASUG8. Ten yard penalty.

The NC GOP drew that district. No Democrat would ever draw a district that blue or safe... not when you could easily split that district and make two winnable Dem seats.

No sir... that there is a drawn to consolidate as much Dem voting base as possible in one district and leave the rest "leaning GOP"

I'm not saying Dems don't gerrymander - I'm just saying... that isn't a Dem gerrymander.

Read it yourself - Mel Watt, a black Democrat, has held the district since 1993. Doesn't make sense for Republicans to draw a district that's over 44% black and likely Dems. Just saying.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Caro ... l_district" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TwinTownBisonFan]

no, Donk gerrymanders are more artistic and pleasing to the eye.

this one is just gorgeous

IL-4

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Prior to the post: False Premise, ASUG8. Ten yard penalty.

The NC GOP drew that district. No Democrat would ever draw a district that blue or safe... not when you could easily split that district and make two winnable Dem seats.

No sir... that there is a drawn to consolidate as much Dem voting base as possible in one district and leave the rest "leaning GOP"

I'm not saying Dems don't gerrymander - I'm just saying... that isn't a Dem gerrymander.

Read it yourself - Mel Watt, a black Democrat, has held the district since 1993. Doesn't make sense for Republicans to draw a district that's over 44% black and likely Dems. Just saying.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Caro ... l_district" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

of course it does! because it allows 3-4 districts that are solidly GOP... that is how gerrymandering works... you bury your opponents in as few super-safe districts as is humanly possible.

[Cap'n Cat]

Good work, Twinsy.

[ASUG8]

Prior to the post: False Premise, ASUG8. Ten yard penalty.

The NC GOP drew that district. No Democrat would ever draw a district that blue or safe... not when you could easily split that district and make two winnable Dem seats.

No sir... that there is a drawn to consolidate as much Dem voting base as possible in one district and leave the rest "leaning GOP"

I'm not saying Dems don't gerrymander - I'm just saying... that isn't a Dem gerrymander.

Read it yourself - Mel Watt, a black Democrat, has held the district since 1993. Doesn't make sense for Republicans to draw a district that's over 44% black and likely Dems. Just saying.

North Carolina's new 12th congressional district was conceived, appropriately, during a brief political tryst at an interstate motel. One day in 1991, Thomas Hardaway, a Democratic state representative, met with John Men-itt, an aide to incumbent Democratic Rep. Charlie Rose, at a Howard Johnson's off Interstate 95 in Gold Rock, North Carolina.

The purpose of the rendezvous? To plot how to draw majority-black congressional districts without jeopardizing existing Democratic districts. "I guess it was kind of funny, meeting like that," Hardaway says. The resulting district, the 12th, is equally amusing, or at least equally bizarre: It runs along three interstates, has a perimeter of 907 miles and is, in places, only as wide as the road. A majority-black seat now held by a black freshman Democrat, the district toddles and twists 141 miles across the state, connecting clusters of racial minorities in four major cities. The district respects no county lines, no city limits, no test of common sense.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _13563833/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Yep, clearly I made all that up TTBF.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Read it yourself - Mel Watt, a black Democrat, has held the district since 1993. Doesn't make sense for Republicans to draw a district that's over 44% black and likely Dems. Just saying.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _13563833/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Yep, clearly I made all that up TTBF.

wait - a politician putting himself ahead of his party and everything else??? I'm shocked! shocked i tell you!

they can say "without jeopardizing dems" but that's bullshit political cover... taking 500k dem votes for yourself and making one of the safest districts possible is hardly "not jeopardizing"

I promise you - NCGOP pissed their pants with joy when they saw that district get tossed up.

(added to this - the fucking absurdity - and this is coming from a liberal like me - of the "majority minority" district being a legitimate defense for f'd up lines like this)

[ASUG8]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _13563833/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Yep, clearly I made all that up TTBF.

wait - a politician putting himself ahead of his party and everything else??? I'm shocked! shocked i tell you!

they can say "without jeopardizing dems" but that's bullshit political cover... taking 500k dem votes for yourself and making one of the safest districts possible is hardly "not jeopardizing"

I promise you - NCGOP pissed their pants with joy when they saw that district get tossed up.

(added to this - the fucking absurdity - and this is coming from a liberal like me - of the "majority minority" district being a legitimate defense for f'd up lines like this)

...but, but....you said the Republicans drew it.
Put your flag back where it belongs.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

wait - a politician putting himself ahead of his party and everything else??? I'm shocked! shocked i tell you!

they can say "without jeopardizing dems" but that's bullshit political cover... taking 500k dem votes for yourself and making one of the safest districts possible is hardly "not jeopardizing"

I promise you - NCGOP pissed their pants with joy when they saw that district get tossed up.

(added to this - the fucking absurdity - and this is coming from a liberal like me - of the "majority minority" district being a legitimate defense for f'd up lines like this)

...but, but....you said the Republicans drew it.
Put your flag back where it belongs.

fair point... flag picked up

[Cap'n Cat]

...but, but....you said the Republicans drew it.
Put your flag back where it belongs.

fair point... flag picked up

Rule #1 in the CS Progressive Caucus, TT: Never admit a Conk is right....about anything.



A note is going to your file.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I can't find the story right now, but these laws are all starting to get more teeth. There was a guy in Utah that showed his VA ID and was turned away from voting. The VA iD would be considered a federal ID I guess and the state didn't recognize it so he wasn't able to vote. Now this guy did have a drivers license and didn't vote to prove a point but it still doesn't change the fact that the law does cut both ways.

I am 100% behind having to show some form of a valid ID to vote. I don't think any school ID should work as they are easy to reproduce and have no way of verifying them. If you are too lazy to go get a drivers license or a state ID then you are too damn lazy and stupid to vote.

[SeattleGriz]

If a country like Mexico requires a national voter ID to vote, why can't America have one?

[Bronco]

If a country like Mexico requires a national voter ID to vote, why can't America have one?

Because progressives like voter fraud

(Politico) — The United States’s voter registration system is in chaos — with about 24 million registrations are no longer valid and nearly 2 million dead people still on voter rolls, according to a new report Tuesday.

Along with the one of every eight voter registrations that is not valid or has significant inaccuracies, there are 2.75 million people currently registered to vote in more than one state, the Pew Center on the States study found. And the millions of problematic registrations aren’t the only issue — researchers estimate at least 51 million eligible U.S. citizens aren’t registered to vote. That’s nearly one in four, or 24 percent of the eligible population.

Additionally, about 12 million records have incorrect addresses, meaning it’s unlikely any mailings can reach these voters, the research in the report shows. [...]

There also are more than 1.8 million deceased people who still have active registration on voter rolls, Pew found. And, Becker said, the outdated, inefficient systems currently in place are “not designed to keep up with deaths as they occur.”

[TwinTownBisonFan]

If a country like Mexico requires a national voter ID to vote, why can't America have one?

Because Mexico has for decades systematically disenfranchised large portions of their population - and this was just one means to that end.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

If a country like Mexico requires a national voter ID to vote, why can't America have one?

Because progressives like voter fraud

(Politico) — The United States’s voter registration system is in chaos — with about 24 million registrations are no longer valid and nearly 2 million dead people still on voter rolls, according to a new report Tuesday.

Along with the one of every eight voter registrations that is not valid or has significant inaccuracies, there are 2.75 million people currently registered to vote in more than one state, the Pew Center on the States study found. And the millions of problematic registrations aren’t the only issue — researchers estimate at least 51 million eligible U.S. citizens aren’t registered to vote. That’s nearly one in four, or 24 percent of the eligible population.

Additionally, about 12 million records have incorrect addresses, meaning it’s unlikely any mailings can reach these voters, the research in the report shows. [...]

There also are more than 1.8 million deceased people who still have active registration on voter rolls, Pew found. And, Becker said, the outdated, inefficient systems currently in place are “not designed to keep up with deaths as they occur.”

now prove that more than a handful of cases of voter fraud, much less the full-scale "conspiracy" conks keep implying is happening...

[ASUG8]

fair point... flag picked up

Rule #1 in the CS Progressive Caucus, TT: Never admit a Conk is right....about anything.



A note is going to your file.

C'mon Cappy - I'm no Tea partier, just a fiscal conservative, social moderate. I'm pro choice for goodness sake.

[SeattleGriz]

Because progressives like voter fraud

now prove that more than a handful of cases of voter fraud, much less the full-scale "conspiracy" conks keep implying is happening...

Gregoire vs Rossi (first time)

Donk voter fraud.

Plus you as well as anyone should know Donks commit fraud and Conks commit disenfranchisement.

[ASUG8]

...but, but....you said the Republicans drew it.
Put your flag back where it belongs.

fair point... flag picked up

Very classy.
I have to admit a little inside knowledge of that since I lived in that district from it's inception in '93 to '08. And I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

now prove that more than a handful of cases of voter fraud, much less the full-scale "conspiracy" conks keep implying is happening...

Gregoire vs Rossi (first time)

Donk voter fraud.

Plus you as well as anyone should know Donks commit fraud and Conks commit disenfranchisement.

voter fraud in the modern day is a conk fever dream

Gregoire beat Rossi fair and square. Every procedure for a clean recount was followed.

[SeattleGriz]

Gregoire vs Rossi (first time)

Donk voter fraud.

Plus you as well as anyone should know Donks commit fraud and Conks commit disenfranchisement.

voter fraud in the modern day is a conk fever dream

Then so is disenfranchisement!

How exactly did King county have more votes than voters? How exactly did King county "forget" to mail out military ballots until it was too late to receive them back. How exactly did they find extra ballots on something like 10 different occasions in favor of Gregoire?

Huge fraud was perpetrated.

[Cap'n Cat]

voter fraud in the modern day is a conk fever dream

Then so is disenfranchisement!

How exactly did King county have more votes than voters? How exactly did King county "forget" to mail out military ballots until it was too late to receive them back. How exactly did they find extra ballots on something like 10 different occasions in favor of Gregoire?

Huge fraud was perpetrated.

[clenz]

Needing to show ID shouldn't be an issue.

You need to show ID to buy beer, cigs, use a credit card, write a check, etc...


If there isn't voter fraud, why would requiring someone prove who they are be an issue?

[Cap'n Cat]

Needing to show ID shouldn't be an issue.

You need to show ID to buy beer, cigs, use a credit card, write a check, etc...


If there isn't voter fraud, why would requiring someone prove who they are be an issue?

You just said why......

[clenz]

Needing to show ID shouldn't be an issue.

You need to show ID to buy beer, cigs, use a credit card, write a check, etc...


If there isn't voter fraud, why would requiring someone prove who they are be an issue?

You just said why......

If I need to show ID to buy beer why shouldn't I have to show ID to vote for the leaders of American....one is clearly going to impact the nation much more so than the other.

[Cap'n Cat]

You just said why......

If I need to show ID to buy beer why shouldn't I have to show ID to vote for the leaders of American....one is clearly going to impact the nation much more so than the other.

Buying beer is a privilege granted by the state. Voting is an unalienable right.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

If I need to show ID to buy beer why shouldn't I have to show ID to vote for the leaders of American....one is clearly going to impact the nation much more so than the other.

Buying beer is a privilege granted by the state. Voting is an unalienable right.

Boom.