Obama will win in 2012:

[BlueHen86]

I think he gets re-elected.

I think the GOP is too divided right now. Candidates like Romney might not appeal to the "base", candidates like Perry might not appeal to the more moderate voters.

Ron Paul

He's got my vote.

[BlueHen86]

I think he gets re-elected.

I think the GOP is too divided right now. Candidates like Romney might not appeal to the "base", candidates like Perry might not appeal to the more moderate voters.

Obama doesn't appeal to half his own party right now.

Agreed. I still think he wins, just that the voter turn out will be low.

[AZGrizFan]

Obama doesn't appeal to half his own party right now.

Agreed. I still think he wins, just that the voter turn out will be low.

Lets hope the donks stay home. That's all we need is those sheep helping run this country off the edge of a cliff with another 4 years of this bozo.

[Ivytalk]

Obama doesn't appeal to half his own party right now.

Agreed. I still think he wins, just that the voter turn out will be low.

And we'll be in for four more years of nothing. The Donks will not retake the House, and they may lose the Senate. Gridlock is wonderful. What a country. Dope and spare change.

[BlueHen86]

Agreed. I still think he wins, just that the voter turn out will be low.

Lets hope the donks stay home. That's all we need is those sheep helping run this country off the edge of a cliff with another 4 years of this bozo.

Obama will get the die hard donk vote, I think he also gets a good turn out among blacks and that will put him over the top.

The GOP need a candidate that appeals to independants. I'd like to see Paul win, but I think Romney is the GOP's best shot.

[BlueHen86]

Agreed. I still think he wins, just that the voter turn out will be low.

And we'll be in for four more years of nothing. The Donks will not retake the House, and they may lose the Senate. Gridlock is wonderful. What a country. Dope and spare change.

I've always felt that the country ran better when both parties had some power, now I think we're screwed. The only way to get things done is for one party to control everything, but usually when one party controls everything they screw things up.

[Bronco]

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Country can't afford another 4 years...he needs to resign for the good of the country.

New CNN Poll: 65% give Obama thumbs down on economy


CNN Political Unit ^ | SEPTEMBER 1, 2011 | CNN Political Unit

Washington (CNN) - Only a third of all Americans approve of how President Barack Obama is handling the economy, according to a new national survey.

And with a CNN/ORC International Poll also indicating that more than three-quarters of the public say the country is in bad shape right now, there's little wonder why the president is getting such low marks.

According to the poll, released Wednesday morning, 28 percent of people questioned say things are going well in the country today.

"That may be a slight uptick from early August but it still represents a double-digit drop from earlier this year," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "And it's clear that economic jitters are a drag on President Obama's standing with the voting public."

Thirty-three percent give him a thumbs up on the budget deficit and 37 percent approving of how he's dealing with unemployment.

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...

[TwinTownBisonFan]

And we'll be in for four more years of nothing. The Donks will not retake the House, and they may lose the Senate. Gridlock is wonderful. What a country. Dope and spare change.

I've always felt that the country ran better when both parties had some power, now I think we're screwed. The only way to get things done is for one party to control everything, but usually when one party controls everything they screw things up.

The problem - to be honest is the trench warfare mentality of the two parties. In the last decade, our bases have come to think of this the same way the operatives do. We start looking at the next race during GOTV of the current race. The campaign never ends for us - and that mentality has, through the rise particularly in internet organizing and activism filtered down in to our respective bases. I don't really know if you can point the finger to one party or another in that regard - although the GOP's behavior post 9/11 and in the run up to the Iraq war - timing war votes for electoral benefit above all else - was certainly a seminal moment - so too were the mid-decade re-districtings in Georgia and Texas.

With the parties, and now their bases, zeroed in on elections - almost like sporting events - the process of governing almost seems to have become secondary to winning and losing elections - in essence things have turned on their head.

Currently, the Repubs have no motivation to compromise - the less that gets done, the more they presume the public will blame Obama - to their benefit come next November. Certainly, the Dems did this as well to Bush when they could - no question.

As for one-party rule - as both parties have shown us in the past decade - one party rule tends to just be a series of in-fights and base-brawls. The bases get fired up - now they have total control - they want a revolution - the members are too worried about getting re-elected generally to give them what they want, the natives get restless - and you have an inter-party pie fight instead of governance...

I'm not sure what the solution really is - but that's how I see it.

[BlueHen86]

I've always felt that the country ran better when both parties had some power, now I think we're screwed. The only way to get things done is for one party to control everything, but usually when one party controls everything they screw things up.

The problem - to be honest is the trench warfare mentality of the two parties. In the last decade, our bases have come to think of this the same way the operatives do. We start looking at the next race during GOTV of the current race. The campaign never ends for us - and that mentality has, through the rise particularly in internet organizing and activism filtered down in to our respective bases. I don't really know if you can point the finger to one party or another in that regard - although the GOP's behavior post 9/11 and in the run up to the Iraq war - timing war votes for electoral benefit above all else - was certainly a seminal moment - so too were the mid-decade re-districtings in Georgia and Texas.

With the parties, and now their bases, zeroed in on elections - almost like sporting events - the process of governing almost seems to have become secondary to winning and losing elections - in essence things have turned on their head.

Currently, the Repubs have no motivation to compromise - the less that gets done, the more they presume the public will blame Obama - to their benefit come next November. Certainly, the Dems did this as well to Bush when they could - no question.

As for one-party rule - as both parties have shown us in the past decade - one party rule tends to just be a series of in-fights and base-brawls. The bases get fired up - now they have total control - they want a revolution - the members are too worried about getting re-elected generally to give them what they want, the natives get restless - and you have an inter-party pie fight instead of governance...

I'm not sure what the solution really is - but that's how I see it.

I agree with your assessment.

[Cap'n Cat]

Twin Town is a Progressive scholar. Makes all the Conks look like Palin's used tampons.

BTW, the trench warfare shit is a product of the Conks...........

[ASUG8]

I think he gets re-elected.

I think the GOP is too divided right now. Candidates like Romney might not appeal to the "base", candidates like Perry might not appeal to the more moderate voters.

Ron Paul

That wouldn't bother me - I like his views on monetary policy and general governmental economics, but he's probably (1) too old, (2) too controversial on some of his social views, and (3) America isn't ready for a Libertarian.

[AZGrizFan]

The problem - to be honest is the trench warfare mentality of the two parties. In the last decade, our bases have come to think of this the same way the operatives do. We start looking at the next race during GOTV of the current race. The campaign never ends for us - and that mentality has, through the rise particularly in internet organizing and activism filtered down in to our respective bases. I don't really know if you can point the finger to one party or another in that regard - although the GOP's behavior post 9/11 and in the run up to the Iraq war - timing war votes for electoral benefit above all else - was certainly a seminal moment - so too were the mid-decade re-districtings in Georgia and Texas.

But you just did.

[grizzaholic]

Ron Paul

That wouldn't bother me - I like his views on monetary policy and general governmental economics, but he's probably (1) too old, (2) too controversial on some of his social views, and (3) America isn't ready for a Libertarian.

Some of his stuff makes great sense...other stuff, well, yeah.

[89Hen]

The problem - to be honest is the trench warfare mentality of the two parties. In the last decade, our bases have come to think of this the same way the operatives do. We start looking at the next race during GOTV of the current race. The campaign never ends for us - and that mentality has, through the rise particularly in internet organizing and activism filtered down in to our respective bases. I don't really know if you can point the finger to one party or another in that regard - although the GOP's behavior post 9/11 and in the run up to the Iraq war - timing war votes for electoral benefit above all else - was certainly a seminal moment - so too were the mid-decade re-districtings in Georgia and Texas.

But you just did.

No shit. TTBF is as partisan as they come.

[AZGrizFan]

But you just did.

No shit. TTBF is as partisan as they come.

You can tell (at least in this post) that he REALLLLLY tried to be non-partisan, but once he got on a roll, he just couldn't help himself. The operative in him comes out and he starts spewing all the same move-on.org talking points that we've heard a million times....

[Grizalltheway]

Yeah, you and 89Dork are really the poster boys for non-partisanship.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, you and 89Dork are really the poster boys for non-partisanship.

Difference is, we don't make stupid posts like TTBF just did....where he TRIES to come off as partisan, but just can't seem to make it happen....of course in HIS mind that probably WAS a non-partisan post.

[Cap'n Cat]

Yeah, you and 89Dork are really the poster boys for non-partisanship.

Difference is, we don't make stupid posts like TTBF just did....where he TRIES to come off as partisan, but just can't seem to make it happen....of course in HIS mind that probably WAS a non-partisan post.

Z, you know I love ya, friend, but you and Hen aren't even in Twin Town's fvcking league.

One would think you'd vomit from the dizziness of him running around you in political stuff........... You two rubes are the most partisan Conk fvcks on here short of native and CID1990.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Yeah, you and 89Dork are really the poster boys for non-partisanship.

Difference is, we don't make stupid posts like TTBF just did....where he TRIES to come off as partisan, but just can't seem to make it happen....of course in HIS mind that probably WAS a non-partisan post.

I wasn't trying to be "non-partisan" I was being factual. In the wake of 9/11 the dynamic changed - Karl Rove has been repeatedly noted for seeking that change. It wasn't the only thing - it wasn't even the first thing... but it was a seminal series of moments that REALLY ramped up the level of partisan warfare.

It's amazing that you can't see that your response to what I wrote is PRECISELY what has changed in the last 10 years.

[AZGrizFan]

Difference is, we don't make stupid posts like TTBF just did....where he TRIES to come off as partisan, but just can't seem to make it happen....of course in HIS mind that probably WAS a non-partisan post.

I wasn't trying to be "non-partisan" I was being factual. In the wake of 9/11 the dynamic changed - Karl Rove has been repeatedly noted for seeking that change. It wasn't the only thing - it wasn't even the first thing... but it was a seminal series of moments that REALLY ramped up the level of partisan warfare.

It's amazing that you can't see that your response to what I wrote is PRECISELY what has changed in the last 10 years.

And it's amazing that you can't see the absolute hypocrisy in what you posted.

[AZGrizFan]

Difference is, we don't make stupid posts like TTBF just did....where he TRIES to come off as partisan, but just can't seem to make it happen....of course in HIS mind that probably WAS a non-partisan post.

Z, you know I love ya, friend, but you and Hen aren't even in Twin Town's fvcking league.

One would think you'd vomit from the dizziness of him running around you in political stuff........... You two rubes are the most partisan Conk fvcks on here short of native and CID1990.

Well, Einstein, it IS what he does for a living.

[89Hen]

Yeah, you and 89Dork are really the poster boys for non-partisanship.

I don't portray myself any other way. I'm partisan just like everyone else here.

[Cap'n Cat]

Z, you know I love ya, friend, but you and Hen aren't even in Twin Town's fvcking league.

One would think you'd vomit from the dizziness of him running around you in political stuff........... You two rubes are the most partisan Conk fvcks on here short of native and CID1990.

Well, Einstein, it IS what he does for a living.

Well, then, why can't you and people like Henski respect that? Not saying you bow down to his mastery on something, just give the guy a nod once in a while, instead of the constant beratement. Just a little positivity from you two would be good once in a while. Everything has to be a fight.

[Cap'n Cat]

Yeah, you and 89Dork are really the poster boys for non-partisanship.

I don't portray myself any other way. I'm partisan just like everyone else here.

I am the most BALANCED motherfvcker on here, Hen. Speak for yourself, boy!

[89Hen]

Z, you know I love ya, friend, but you and Hen aren't even in Twin Town's fvcking league.

One would think you'd vomit from the dizziness of him running around you in political stuff........... You two rubes are the most partisan Conk fvcks on here short of native and CID1990.

This guy works at McDonalds. Are you going to ask him about managing a business?