Norway terror attack

[kalm]

Norway better ban the construction of any new Christian churches and begin profiling for Aryan conks.

[grizzaholic]

Thoughts and prayers to the families who lost a member in this vile, cowardly attack...

Hopefully, Norwegian politicians will pass tough gun control laws that will prevent something like this from ever happening again...




Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

THIS!!!!

[Skjellyfetti]

Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

Their firearm related death rate is a fraction of ours.

[grizzaholic]

Ky...what you don't understand is if the state takes away guns from law abiding citizens, only the criminals will have them.

[Skjellyfetti]

Ky...what you don't understand is if the state takes away guns from law abiding citizens, only the criminals will have them.

Why is our firearm related death rate so high? Is it our culture? Or is it easy access to guns?

I don't know the answer. But, I'm curious what yours would be.

[grizzaholic]

Ky...what you don't understand is if the state takes away guns from law abiding citizens, only the criminals will have them.

Why is our firearm related death rate so high? Is it our culture? Or is it easy access to guns?

I don't know the answer. But, I'm curious what yours would be.

It wouldn't be taking away the guns...but what I do know is if you take away the guns only the bad guys will have them. I would love to see what you think would happen if you outlawed guns in the USA. I got money saying the crime would go right through the fucking roof.

[Skjellyfetti]

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It wouldn't be taking away the guns...but what I do know is if you take away the guns only the bad guys will have them. I would love to see what you think would happen if you outlawed guns in the USA. I got money saying the crime would go right through the fucking roof.

lol. I've never said we should outlaw guns. But, somehow I get painted with that position at the mere mention of anything related to gun politics.

[houndawg]

Thoughts and prayers to the families who lost a member in this vile, cowardly attack...

Hopefully, Norwegian politicians will pass tough gun control laws that will prevent something like this from ever happening again...




Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

Pretty weakly, Col., this whack job apparently owned his legit.

Nor do the gun owners appear to be very oppressed in Norway. Better luck next time.

[Col Hogan]

Thoughts and prayers to the families who lost a member in this vile, cowardly attack...

Hopefully, Norwegian politicians will pass tough gun control laws that will prevent something like this from ever happening again...




Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

Pretty weakly, Col., this whack job apparently owned his legit.

Nor do the gun owners appear to be very oppressed in Norway. Better luck next time.

And everyone else present also owned weapons??? Or were they prevented by the state from self protection???

Its the typical liberal mindset...the state will protect me from crime...from smoking...from transfat...etc, etc, etc...

How about taking responsibility for yourself...which in Norway (and rapidly growing in this country) is not encouraged...

Thus, a wack-job has free reign to inflict as much pain as possible with little to no resistance...

No thank you...

[grizzaholic]

Pretty weakly, Col., this whack job apparently owned his legit.

Nor do the gun owners appear to be very oppressed in Norway. Better luck next time.

And everyone else present also owned weapons??? Or were they prevented by the state from self protection???

They were told to use common sense.

[Skjellyfetti]

And everyone else present also owned weapons??? Or were they prevented by the state from self protection???

They didn't have guns because they were 16-year old kids at a summer camp.

Maybe all 16 year olds should start carrying around guns in case a demented right wing fuck opens fire on them?

[grizzaholic]

And everyone else present also owned weapons??? Or were they prevented by the state from self protection???

They didn't have guns because they were 16-year old kids at a summer camp.

Maybe all 16 year olds should start carrying around guns in case a demented right wing fuck opens fire on them?

And the adults??? This is why you are a nut.

[Skjellyfetti]

And the adults??? This is why you are a nut.

I don't remember my camp counselors or adults at my summer camps walking around with guns for protection.

[Col Hogan]

And everyone else present also owned weapons??? Or were they prevented by the state from self protection???

They didn't have guns because they were 16-year old kids at a summer camp.

Maybe all 16 year olds should start carrying around guns in case a demented right wing **** opens fire on them?

There were no adults present??? Is that what you are saying???

Pretty irresponsible of those Norwegians, would you not agree????

[Col Hogan]

And the adults??? This is why you are a nut.

I don't remember my camp counselors or adults at my summer camps walking around with guns for protection.

I could walk right by you a dozen times in a day and you would not know if I had a weapon or not...

What does your statement prove???

[Skjellyfetti]

There were no adults present??? Is that what you are saying???

Pretty irresponsible of those Norwegians, would you not agree????

Did adults at your summer camps walk around with guns for protection?

They're at a fucking summer camp... on an island... in a country with very few violent homicides. This didn't happen because the counselors didn't have weapons.

[Skjellyfetti]

Still curious what you think about the fact that Norway's gun related homicide rate is a FRACTION of ours. Why is that, Hogan?

[grizzaholic]

I don't remember my camp counselors or adults at my summer camps walking around with guns for protection.

I could walk right by you a dozen times in a day and you would not know if I had a weapon or not...

What does your statement prove???

This. And KY, yes. At the two week long summer camp things I went to when I was a little kid the adults did have guns available to them, and no they didn't go walking around all willy-nilly with them. If you have lived this long you should have some sort of intellect.

[∞∞∞]

I was reading comments on Liveleak.com last night and a lot Norwegian and American users were really going at it concerning gun laws. Even amid all of the tragedy, the Norwegians were arguing that they have an extremely low crime rate compared to the United States and a once in a blue moon tragedy like this shouldn't be an event that changes how they view gun ownership. They also argued that most youth camps around the world, regardless of gun laws, wouldn't have allowed firearms on the grounds so the tragedy was non-avoidable.

I personally think everyone should be allowed to own a gun, but it was interesting that the Norwegians were still defending their gun laws. Their view is that they feel safer without guns on the streets and a random event like this shouldn't change that. It's very much a societal/cultural view where they have a deep trust in their fellow Norwegian. We Americans kinda have the attitude to trust no one, but it seems like the opposite with them.

ps. Anyone see the interview on CNN with the boatsman that saved a few children? The dude was so non-chalant. Guy got a phone call to head to the island to check it out 'cause "something" was going on. Goes there and finds a few kids, gets them on-shore, goes back, gets a few more. Does it again. After all that, the reporter asks him what he did: (non-verbatim) "After I dropped them off with neighbors, I went inside and had a cup of coffee." Do you realize the gravity of the situation and how will you proceed?: "Oh it's very tragic but it's a national holiday so I'm just going to do what I had been doing and enjoy the rest of the week. It's already happened so I'm not going to dwell on it." Did you see any bodies on shore? "Oh sure. I saw 5. I thought they were alive but they turned out dead." The whole interview made it sound like this was some stroll in the park. Either he was in complete shock, or the dude is one badass motherfucker.

[grizzaholic]

I was reading comments on Liveleak.com last night and a lot Norwegian and American users were really going at it concerning gun laws. Even amid all of the tragedy, the Norwegians were arguing that they have an extremely low crime rate compared to the United States and a once in a blue moon tragedy like this shouldn't be an event that changes how they view gun ownership. They also argued that most youth camps around the world, regardless of gun laws, wouldn't have allowed firearms on the grounds so the tragedy was non-avoidable.

I personally think everyone should be allowed to own a gun, but it was interesting that the Norwegians were still defending their gun laws. Their view is that they feel safer without guns on the streets and a random event like this shouldn't change that. It's very much a societal/cultural view where they have a deep trust in their fellow Norwegian. We Americans kinda have the attitude to trust no one, but it seems like the opposite with them.

ps. Anyone see the interview on CNN with the boatsman that saved a few children? The dude was so non-chalant. Guy got a phone call to head to the island to check it out 'cause "something" was going on. Goes there and finds a few kids, gets them on-shore, goes back, gets a few more. Does it again. After all that, the reporter asks him what he did: (non-verbatim) "After I dropped them off with neighbors, I went inside and had a cup of coffee." Do you realize the gravity of the situation and how will you proceed?: "Oh it's very tragic but it's a national holiday so I'm just going to do what I had been doing and enjoy the rest of the week. It's already happened so I'm not going to dwell on it." Did you see any bodies on shore? "Oh sure. I saw 5. I thought they were alive but they turned out dead." The whole interview made it sound like this was some stroll in the park. Either he was in complete shock, or the dude is one badass motherfucker.

Or he just didn't give two shits about it. He helped and that was over with. Back to sipping coffee and fishing or whatever he was going to do.

[∞∞∞]

Or he just didn't give two shits about it. He helped and that was over with. Back to sipping coffee and fishing or whatever he was going to do.

True that. It's just funny 'cause when we interview heroes in our country, they're usually really dramatic about it (and understandably so). This guy just didn't seem to care at all, and probably thinking exactly what you just said.

[grizzaholic]

Or he just didn't give two shits about it. He helped and that was over with. Back to sipping coffee and fishing or whatever he was going to do.

True that. It's just funny 'cause when we interview heroes in our country, they're usually really dramatic about it (and understandably so). This guy just didn't seem to care at all, and probably thinking exactly what you just said.

Or, he was pissed about missing out on a good sammie that was sitting on the table back home.

[Col Hogan]

Still curious what you think about the fact that Norway's gun related homicide rate is a FRACTION of ours. Why is that, Hogan?

Norway has a higher suicide rate than the United States...but I believe your "gun-related homicide rate" includes suicides...a faulty inflation of gun crime rates by anti-gunners...If I'm wrong, I'm sure you will let me know...

I'm not going to do a masters-thesis level research project on your questions...but here is a few things I do know...

Virginia has both open and concealed carry...and has a below the national average gun-crime rate...

Washington DC has had one of the strictest gun bans in the country...and has had a murder rate much higher than the national average...



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So, why does an area that more "liberal" gun laws have a much lower crime rate than one where guns are all ut banned???

Norway has long had a different approach to life in general than the United States...is it right or wrong...better or worse...

[biobengal]

Still curious what you think about the fact that Norway's gun related homicide rate is a FRACTION of ours. Why is that, Hogan?

Norway has a higher suicide rate than the United States...but I believe your "gun-related homicide rate" includes suicides...a faulty inflation of gun crime rates by anti-gunners...If I'm wrong, I'm sure you will let me know...

I'm not going to do a masters-thesis level research project on your questions...but here is a few things I do know...

Virginia has both open and concealed carry...and has a below the national average gun-crime rate...

Washington DC has had one of the strictest gun bans in the country...and has had a murder rate much higher than the national average...



http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, why does an area that more "liberal" gun laws have a much lower crime rate than one where guns are all ut banned???

Norway has long had a different approach to life in general than the United States...is it right or wrong...better or worse...

The DC situation proves little either way. In fact, I doubt the number of handguns decreased much after the ban; those that had handguns before probably kept them, those that wanted them left the small island of restrictive access. There are many sources indicating seized handguns during the resricted period came from Maryland and Virginia, this comes as no surprise.

IMO, restricting gun ownership shouldn't be done piecemeal.... do it at the federal level or not at all.

[travelinman67]

I've never said we should outlaw guns. But, somehow I get painted with that position at the mere mention of anything related to gun politics.

Because you're a thoughtless ideologue. Get a clue. Delete your shortcuts to Media Matters/DU/HuffPo and open your eyes.