Let the shit hit the fan...

[BlueHen86]

At first look the gut reaction is that it is an insensitive act and so forth. I don't like the defining ourselves by what they would allow others to do in their situation but I can understand it.

Just trying to be outraged and stop this just seems like the wrong way to go about it to me. I caught a little bit of Jon Stewart the other night and one of the field comedians was taking that "not on my watch" angle and he was doing his report in front of a Mosque down in that area that was there before the Trade Center was even built.

Now I don't know the exact location but if there are Mosque's already longstanding in the are then this doesn't seem to be any different to me.

A better way to make your point and use their own logic against them is Greg Gutfeld's idea, which he has backing to do at this point as well.


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Fight fire with fire!!!!

That is a great idea. I would also like to see someone open up an eatery that serves ribs and pulled pork sandwiches next door.
How about a stip club!

and sodomy!

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Fight fire with fire!!!!

That is a great idea. I would also like to see someone open up an eatery that serves ribs and pulled pork sandwiches next door.
How about a stip club!

and sodomy!

See, now we're being proactive and getting somewhere and having some fun. I think any business like that opens there will be a hit because it will have a sympathetic stance (ie the gay bar, strip club ideas) where they normally wouldn't have that audience. Now as far as the rib joint...I'm always in on something like that.

Seriously though, if you want to use our freedoms we will give them to you willingly and we will continue to use OUR OWN freedoms as we see fit so you better be fucking ready to accept them...al of them Abdul, all of them.

[BigSkyBears]

Gil,

I lump christians, jews AND muslims together = you are all shithead cultists. I hope you **** just get it over with and kill each other.

So tolerant are you Far Lefties.

[kalm]

Gil,

I lump christians, jews AND muslims together = you are all shithead cultists. I hope you **** just get it over with and kill each other.

So tolerant are you Far Lefties.

I think he's kind of being intolerant of intolerance here.

[BlueHen86]

Answer his question. Do you support this? Just because something is legal doesn't make it right, they should build their mosque somewhere else.

I agree that it's insensitive, and like I said, I understand why people closely connected with the event feel as strongly as they do about it. But I think Obama did the right thing in publicly supporting freedom of religion.

I agree that they have a right to build a mosque at that location. I would prefer that they didn't. I also think the President should have stayed out of it.

[native]

That is a great idea. I would also like to see someone open up an eatery that serves ribs and pulled pork sandwiches next door.
How about a stip club!

and sodomy!

See, now we're being proactive and getting somewhere and having some fun. I think any business like that opens there will be a hit because it will have a sympathetic stance (ie the gay bar, strip club ideas) where they normally wouldn't have that audience. Now as far as the rib joint...I'm always in on something like that.

Seriously though, if you want to use our freedoms we will give them to you willingly and we will continue to use OUR OWN freedoms as we see fit so you better be **** ready to accept them...al of them Abdul, all of them.

Appreciate the humor and irony!

Too bad being a libertine is not the same as being a libertarian. Some things are worth the sacrifices necessary to stand up for them. Others... not so much.

I love Greg Gutfeld and I love you, Brother Bear, but I think you are blindly and willfully missing a few salient points on this subject.

[Sarah Palin]

Shameful

[native]

I agree that it's insensitive, and like I said, I understand why people closely connected with the event feel as strongly as they do about it. But I think Obama did the right thing in publicly supporting freedom of religion.

I agree that they have a right to build a mosque at that location. I would prefer that they didn't. I also think the President should have stayed out of it.

Well said, Mr. Blue Pants, but I would add that the Bloomberg administration has aggressively politicized the situation in favor of the jihadists and failed to perform honest and adequate due diligence on the backers of the "Cordoba Initiative."

[BDKJMU]

He's run a mosque a few blocks away since 1983.

And he didn't "blame 9/11 on the US". He said it was "un-Islamic", meaning, I would think, that the greater Muslim community didn't condone the attacks. Try getting your "facts" from someone other than Sean Hannity, Bukkakke.

He did too lay the blame on the US. He said "United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” Try getting your "facts" from someone other the the Daily Kos or Huffington Post jack***.

[BDKJMU]

This would be no different than opening up a neo-nazi center within 600 of the Holocaust Museum.

[Grizalltheway]

And he didn't "blame 9/11 on the US". He said it was "un-Islamic", meaning, I would think, that the greater Muslim community didn't condone the attacks. Try getting your "facts" from someone other than Sean Hannity, Bukkakke.

He did too lay the blame on the US. He said "United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” Try getting your "facts" from someone other the the Daily Kos or Huffington Post jack***.

Meaning bin Laden stated that the US's military presence in Saudi Arabia was the main motive behind the attacks. That's a pretty well known fact...

[Grizalltheway]

That is a great idea. I would also like to see someone open up an eatery that serves ribs and pulled pork sandwiches next door.
How about a stip club!

and sodomy!

See, now we're being proactive and getting somewhere and having some fun. I think any business like that opens there will be a hit because it will have a sympathetic stance (ie the gay bar, strip club ideas) where they normally wouldn't have that audience. Now as far as the rib joint...I'm always in on something like that.

Seriously though, if you want to use our freedoms we will give them to you willingly and we will continue to use OUR OWN freedoms as we see fit so you better be fucking ready to accept them...al of them Abdul, all of them.

And Ursus tears the mammary glands off of it.

[Ivytalk]

See, now we're being proactive and getting somewhere and having some fun. I think any business like that opens there will be a hit because it will have a sympathetic stance (ie the gay bar, strip club ideas) where they normally wouldn't have that audience. Now as far as the rib joint...I'm always in on something like that.

Seriously though, if you want to use our freedoms we will give them to you willingly and we will continue to use OUR OWN freedoms as we see fit so you better be **** ready to accept them...al of them Abdul, all of them.

And Ursus tears the mammary glands off of it.

Ursus was always good at that! BHO is politically tone-deaf as always. Gotta love the "Il Duce" jawline.

[Grizalltheway]

This would be no different than opening up a neo-nazi center within 600 of the Holocaust Museum.

Really? Being a neo-Nazi implicitly means you approve of and even admire the Holocaust. Contrary to your uninformed and back-asswards world view, being a Muslim doesn't implicitly mean you approve of the 9/11 attacks.

[JayJ79]

The 9/11 attackers were men (or at least, male).

I hear that they plan to put mens restrooms into the new buildings at ground zero.

shameful.

[Skjellyfetti]

This would be no different than opening up a neo-nazi center within 600 of the Holocaust Museum.

Bullshit. Maybe if they were erecting an Al Qaeda center 600 feet of Ground Zero.

This would be closer to opening up a German embassy within 600 feet of the Holocaust museum.

[BDKJMU]

This would be no different than opening up a neo-nazi center within 600 of the Holocaust Museum.

Really? Being a neo-Nazi implicitly means you approve of and even admire the Holocaust. Contrary to your uninformed and back-asswards world view, being a Muslim doesn't implicitly mean you approve of the 9/11 attacks.

Yeah, for those Muslims in the minority...

[BDKJMU]

This would be no different than opening up a neo-nazi center within 600 of the Holocaust Museum.

Bullshit. Maybe if they were erecting an Al Qaeda center 600 feet of Ground Zero.

This would be closer to opening up a German embassy within 600 feet of the Holocaust museum.

You're analogy is

[Gil Dobie]

This would be no different than opening up a neo-nazi center within 600 of the Holocaust Museum.

Bullshit. Maybe if they were erecting an Al Qaeda center 600 feet of Ground Zero.

This would be closer to opening up a German embassy within 600 feet of the Holocaust museum.

Perfect analogy

[BlueHen86]

Bullshit. Maybe if they were erecting an Al Qaeda center 600 feet of Ground Zero.

This would be closer to opening up a German embassy within 600 feet of the Holocaust museum.

Good analagy

[Gil Dobie]

The Muslim religion was not responsible for 9/11. People who claimed to be, and were thought to be Muslim, and probably were Muslim were responsible. We can't lump all Muslims into one group like D1B does the Christians.

Not all, but most muslims do deserve to be lumped in with the jihadists, Gil.

Name the moderates? Not CAIR. Not Hamas. Not the Muslim Brotherhood. Not the "Cordoba Initiative" responsible for the Ground Zero Mosque. C'mon... name the "moderates."

The historical truth is that even "moderate" muslim caliphates are inevitably taken over by the violent jihadists. Name the exceptions?

Nada Lumpy part deux

I've worked or gone to school with Muslims from Iran, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Pakistan, India, Egypt, Malaysia and Somalia, and would never lump any of these people in with those groups.

[native]

Not all, but most muslims do deserve to be lumped in with the jihadists, Gil.

Name the moderates? Not CAIR. Not Hamas. Not the Muslim Brotherhood. Not the "Cordoba Initiative" responsible for the Ground Zero Mosque. C'mon... name the "moderates."

The historical truth is that even "moderate" muslim caliphates are inevitably taken over by the violent jihadists. Name the exceptions?

Nada Lumpy part deux

I've worked or gone to school with Muslims from Iran, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Pakistan, India, Egypt, Malaysia and Somalia, and would never lump any of these people in with those groups.

Of course I understand, Gil. The groups I named are extreme and not representative of the general population of muslims. But that does not make the average muslim "moderate" or modernistic on sharia law or the other issues we are discussing. I get along just fine with the individual muslims I have worked with, played soccer with, coached, and refereed over the last 35 years. I admire your willingness to stand up and be counted for your friends. It's the right thing to do.

But try to build a church in any of the countries you named in places where sharia law pertains.

[native]

He did too lay the blame on the US. He said "United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” Try getting your "facts" from someone other the the Daily Kos or Huffington Post jack***.

Meaning bin Laden stated that the US's military presence in Saudi Arabia was the main motive behind the attacks. That's a pretty well known fact...

So Grizz-the-halfwit is saying:
1. BDKJMU is right
2. It doesn't matter that millions of muslims embrace OBL's point of view

[Cap'n Cat]

No religion = no problems.

[BlueHen86]

No religion = no problems.

Either there is a God or there isn't.

If there isn't; then all the killing done in the name of religion has been for nothing.

If there is; then we are worshipping the same God, albeit in different ways. Since God will ultimately judge us He probably doesn't want us killing each other in his name, so once again the killing done in the name of religion has been for nothing.