US Strikes Iran Part 2.

[kalm]

Here is where you are WRONG. I don't know if there is a "smoking gun" in the epstein files that will bring down trump. I just want the victims names redacted and the files released regardless of whether they implicate trump or not. Why are you and other MAQA yahoos so opposed to that? Why are you fighting so hard to distract from and/or cover up the pedophilia?

Lawl that’s where you are WRONG. Because there isn‘t any ‘I don‘t know‘ because I KNOW if there was anything in there that had the tinniest whiff of get Trump smoke it would 100% have been leaked by the Biden regime, esp after all the other shit they threw at him failed.

Now to the rest:
-While some of the women on Esptein island were underage, the majority of women on Esptein island were allegedly NOT underage. Certain immoral activity isn‘t necessarily criminal-

The only names that should be released are:
-where there‘s solid evidence that they engaged in any criminal activity.
-where there‘s solid evidence that they continued to associate with Epstein after they had concrete knowledge of criminal activity.

For any others, no. It’s nothing more than smears, and I imagine the govt and govt officials could face massive libel lawsuits.

The victims collectively received were paid hundreds of millions of dollars. They should NAME NAMES. And don‘t start with they can’t because of non disclosure agreements, which in the current climate would be unenforceable.

And why has Trump fought against the release of the files? The righteous and law abiding citizen that he is….

[UNI88]

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[Caribbean Hen]

“Singham sold his IT consulting firm in 2017 for $785 million and relocated to Shanghai. In 2023, a New York Times investigation examined his alleged ties to the Chinese Communist Party and reported claims that he had funded extremist organizations in pursuit of advancing his radical political views”

No wonder Klamdami has so many posts, this is his job

Half of my posts are attempts to decipher what the fuck you’re talking about what with all of the obfuscations or in this case, a news story without a link or apparent relevance to the topic.

I have certainly over estimated your cognitive abilities

You don’t get CH’s street talk

[UNI88]

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[kalm]

Half of my posts are attempts to decipher what the fuck you’re talking about what with all of the obfuscations or in this case, a news story without a link or apparent relevance to the topic.

I have certainly over estimated your cognitive abilities

You don’t get CH’s street talk

Darn.

[Caribbean Hen]

Exactly

They want you to believe that Obamas and Joey Rottens DOJ, who had so little on Trump they had to make stuff up, hid the incriminating evidence from us and instead tried to prosecute him relentlessly on bullshit

Since you commented on SG's post up without responding to my follow-up, I'll ask you the same questions, I asked him:

Why is trump's DoJ playing games with releasing the files? Because trump and some of his powerful friends are implicated?

But you're delusional and refuse to consider any possibilities that don't say trump is innocent. Keep drinking the Qoolaid.

One of you frequent tactics is to attempt to bury any post critical of/mocking trump by commenting on an older post.

And you’re not delusional for continuing to judge our President guilty on everything for a decade?

[BDKJMU]

So 2 prominent Never Trumpers have come out on opposite sides of Epic Fury. George Will in support, and Kristol against.

[Skjellyfetti]

Hilarious to see "America First" jump all over support for this

[UNI88]

Since you commented on SG's post up without responding to my follow-up, I'll ask you the same questions, I asked him:

Why is trump's DoJ playing games with releasing the files? Because trump and some of his powerful friends are implicated?

But you're delusional and refuse to consider any possibilities that don't say trump is innocent. Keep drinking the Qoolaid.

One of you frequent tactics is to attempt to bury any post critical of/mocking trump by commenting on an older post.

And you’re not delusional for continuing to judge our President guilty on everything for a decade?

WRONG - I have given trump credit when he's done something well.

Can you say the same about biden or Obama? Or are you going to hide behind the facetious argument that neither did a single thing well?

[Caribbean Hen]

And you’re not delusional for continuing to judge our President guilty on everything for a decade?

WRONG - I have given trump credit when he's done something well.

Can you say the same about biden or Obama? Or are you going to hide behind the facetious argument that neither did a single thing well?

I have asked several times what Joey did for his country that was actually good and have only heard coquis

[UNI88]

WRONG - I have given trump credit when he's done something well.

Can you say the same about biden or Obama? Or are you going to hide behind the facetious argument that neither did a single thing well?

I have asked several times what Joey did for his country that was actually good and have only heard coquis

biden accomplishments:
- Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
- CHIPS and Science Act

Obama accomplishments:
- Recovery from the Great Recession (could have been handled better but he didn't botch it like trump did COVID)
- Affordable Care Act (not perfect but better than what we had before and was improved by taking away the mandate)
- Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
- Osama bin Laden killed
- Iran nuclear deal?
- made trump so jealous that he's constantly chasing his legacy

[kalm]

I have asked several times what Joey did for his country that was actually good and have only heard coquis

biden accomplishments:
- Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
- CHIPS and Science Act

Obama accomplishments:
- Recovery from the Great Recession (could have been handled better but he didn't botch it like trump did COVID)
- Affordable Care Act (not perfect but better than what we had before and was improved by taking away the mandate)
- Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
- Osama bin Laden killed
- Iran nuclear deal?
- made trump so jealous that he's constantly chasing his legacy

I would also add Lena Kahn’s work at the FTC.

[GannonFan]

I have asked several times what Joey did for his country that was actually good and have only heard coquis

biden accomplishments:
- Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
- CHIPS and Science Act

Obama accomplishments:
- Recovery from the Great Recession (could have been handled better but he didn't botch it like trump did COVID)
- Affordable Care Act (not perfect but better than what we had before and was improved by taking away the mandate)
- Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
- Osama bin Laden killed
- Iran nuclear deal?
- made trump so jealous that he's constantly chasing his legacy

Well, that infrastructure act under Biden was just one of many government spending blowouts that led directly to runaway inflation, which we are still recovering from, so I don't see how that can be considered a positive accomplishment. It was easily one of his signature failures.

As for Obama, recovery from the Great Recession was anemic at best - plenty of argument that the means of recovery were in place before he even took office and certainly the slow growth throughout the Obama years was nothing to put on a resume for an accomplishment. Agree that the Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, agree that the Dodd Frank reform was good, certainly agree that killing bin Laden was good. However, the Iran nuclear deal was always terrible - maybe it delayed Iran by a decade in terms of nuclear advancement, but with the money that it opened up to Iran it helped to finance their direction of Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis that lead to basically constant fighting in that region ever since. You can argue that what we're doing now is in response to the chaos that deal allowed to happen. And lastly, if Obama can be credited with making Trump decide to make a run in politics that too is a failure - doing something that's led to two terms of a Trump presidency cannot in anyway be considered a good thing.

[89Hen]

he didn't botch it like trump did COVID

I'd like to hear more on this.

[GannonFan]

As for Iran and the main topic of this thread, I'm all for striking Iran and limiting what chaos they can and have been spreading through the Middle East, certainly for the past half century, but also clearly in the past 10-15 years. They have been basically using the funds from the ill-conceived nuclear deal and have been fighting a proxy war through at least Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis ever since. And on top of that they've been terribly brutalizing their own people as well. The fact that we, with Israel, were able to take out so much of their hierarchy is amazing and worthwhile.

What I do question, though, is what we are going to do going forward. Inflicting severe damage on Iran's ability to wage war is worthwhile. But, as with all things Trump, he has the tendency to just do something, see how it turns out, and then pivot from there. There's no real planning in place for how things will transpire. This is a once in half a century moment where there could be legitimate improvement of a country that has been sponsoring terror for all that time. Having Trump in place to help shape and mold that is certainly far from ideal. I don't think we're getting into a drawn out war - I don't see us putting real boots on the ground in Iran. But I also don't see any real idea of what we're going to do after this.

[UNI88]

biden accomplishments:
- Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
- CHIPS and Science Act

Obama accomplishments:
- Recovery from the Great Recession (could have been handled better but he didn't botch it like trump did COVID)
- Affordable Care Act (not perfect but better than what we had before and was improved by taking away the mandate)
- Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
- Osama bin Laden killed
- Iran nuclear deal?
- made trump so jealous that he's constantly chasing his legacy

Well, that infrastructure act under Biden was just one of many government spending blowouts that led directly to runaway inflation, which we are still recovering from, so I don't see how that can be considered a positive accomplishment. It was easily one of his signature failures.

As for Obama, recovery from the Great Recession was anemic at best - plenty of argument that the means of recovery were in place before he even took office and certainly the slow growth throughout the Obama years was nothing to put on a resume for an accomplishment. Agree that the Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, agree that the Dodd Frank reform was good, certainly agree that killing bin Laden was good. However, the Iran nuclear deal was always terrible - maybe it delayed Iran by a decade in terms of nuclear advancement, but with the money that it opened up to Iran it helped to finance their direction of Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis that lead to basically constant fighting in that region ever since. You can argue that what we're doing now is in response to the chaos that deal allowed to happen. And lastly, if Obama can be credited with making Trump decide to make a run in politics that too is a failure - doing something that's led to two terms of a Trump presidency cannot in anyway be considered a good thing.

I included the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act because it was somewhat of an investment in infrastructure which is much better than throwing money at things with little to no long-term return. Out of all of biden's (and trump's) contribution to runaway inflation it had more long-term benefits.

For Obama: I put a caveat on the recovery from the recession and a question mark after the Iran nuclear deal for good reasons.

The underlying point is that biden and Obama did have accomplishments just like trump has. I've given trump credit for what I think he's done well. Can CH or other MAQA yahoos say the same about biden or Obama? Yet, I'm the one who supposedly has _DS?

[kalm]

biden accomplishments:
- Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
- CHIPS and Science Act

Obama accomplishments:
- Recovery from the Great Recession (could have been handled better but he didn't botch it like trump did COVID)
- Affordable Care Act (not perfect but better than what we had before and was improved by taking away the mandate)
- Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
- Osama bin Laden killed
- Iran nuclear deal?
- made trump so jealous that he's constantly chasing his legacy

Well, that infrastructure act under Biden was just one of many government spending blowouts that led directly to runaway inflation, which we are still recovering from, so I don't see how that can be considered a positive accomplishment. It was easily one of his signature failures.

As for Obama, recovery from the Great Recession was anemic at best - plenty of argument that the means of recovery were in place before he even took office and certainly the slow growth throughout the Obama years was nothing to put on a resume for an accomplishment. Agree that the Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, agree that the Dodd Frank reform was good, certainly agree that killing bin Laden was good. However, the Iran nuclear deal was always terrible - maybe it delayed Iran by a decade in terms of nuclear advancement, but with the money that it opened up to Iran it helped to finance their direction of Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis that lead to basically constant fighting in that region ever since. You can argue that what we're doing now is in response to the chaos that deal allowed to happen. And lastly, if Obama can be credited with making Trump decide to make a run in politics that too is a failure - doing something that's led to two terms of a Trump presidency cannot in anyway be considered a good thing.

“Infrastructure spending leads directly to runaway inflation”?

So many questions….

Should we wait for a recession before increasing spending on infrastructure? Defer maintenance and capital projects until the shit horse fan?

How about long term economic benefits from infrastructure spending? Do those counterbalance temporary inflation?

[UNI88]

he didn't botch it like trump did COVID

I'd like to hear more on this.

How did trump demonstrate his incompetence and/or lack of ability to lead during a crisis:
1) he disbanded the NSC Global Health Unit.
2) he failed to take the pandemic seriously from the start. In February 2020 when other nations were ramping up their responses he stated “the coronavirus is very much under control".
3) he twiddled his thumbs while other countries were coordinating the manufacturing and stockpiling of protective gear for frontline workers and helping make testing available.
4) he promoted unproven solutions to gullible followers.
5) he listened to Fauxi too much. Fauxi was knowledgeable but compromised.
6) he continued to downplay the virus, saying it was going to disappear or had disappeared.

He took too long to take the virus seriously and then to compound the mistake kept throwing money at the problem after he should have stopped.

He can't handle adversity. He'll take credit if things are going well but he looks for a scapegoat if they aren't because he doesn't think he's ever responsible for anything bad. That is not a good quality in a leader during a crisis.

[UNI88]

59% of Americans disapprove of Iran strikes and most think a long-term conflict is likely

Overall, 59% of Americans disapprove of the initial decision to strike Iran, with 41% approving. Strong disapproval (31%) roughly doubles strong approval (16%). A marginally higher share (44%) say they favor the US trying to overthrow the Iranian government, with 56% opposed to that.

Just 12%, though, would favor sending US ground troops into Iran, while 60% would oppose it and 28% are unsure.

A majority, 56%, say they see long-term military conflict between the US and Iran as at least somewhat likely, including 24% who see that as a very likely outcome. Asked by CNN on Monday how long the war might last, Trump said, “I don’t want to see it go on too long. I always thought it would be four weeks. And we’re a little ahead of schedule.”

[UNI88]

FBI Staffers Fired for Role in Mar-a-Lago Probe Were Assigned to Espionage Unit That Investigated Iranian Threats in America

The ouster of at least a dozen staffers from a counterintelligence unit, known as CI-12, which operates out of the Washington Field Office, was ordered by FBI Director Kash Patel, according to four former officials familiar with the dismissals. The dismissals came just days before the start of Operation Epic Fury and, separately, a deadly mass shooting at a bar in Austin, Texas, by a man reportedly wearing a sweatshirt that said, “Property of Allah,” beneath which was a T-shirt that was “emblazoned with a design similar to the Iranian flag,” CBS News reported Monday.

CI-12 focuses on media leaks, global espionage, and international threats against America emanating from countries such as Cuba and Iran, former FBI officials tell the Sun. More broadly, CI squads are the lead domestic teams for investigating insider threats and foreign intelligence activity on American soil.

Let's get rid of the agents best equipped to protect the country from Iranian espionage and terrorism right before we bomb Iran. Brilliant!

[GannonFan]

Well, that infrastructure act under Biden was just one of many government spending blowouts that led directly to runaway inflation, which we are still recovering from, so I don't see how that can be considered a positive accomplishment. It was easily one of his signature failures.

As for Obama, recovery from the Great Recession was anemic at best - plenty of argument that the means of recovery were in place before he even took office and certainly the slow growth throughout the Obama years was nothing to put on a resume for an accomplishment. Agree that the Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, agree that the Dodd Frank reform was good, certainly agree that killing bin Laden was good. However, the Iran nuclear deal was always terrible - maybe it delayed Iran by a decade in terms of nuclear advancement, but with the money that it opened up to Iran it helped to finance their direction of Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis that lead to basically constant fighting in that region ever since. You can argue that what we're doing now is in response to the chaos that deal allowed to happen. And lastly, if Obama can be credited with making Trump decide to make a run in politics that too is a failure - doing something that's led to two terms of a Trump presidency cannot in anyway be considered a good thing.

“Infrastructure spending leads directly to runaway inflation”?

So many questions….

Should we wait for a recession before increasing spending on infrastructure? Defer maintenance and capital projects until the shit horse fan?

How about long term economic benefits from infrastructure spending? Do those counterbalance temporary inflation?

When you call something an infrastructure spending bill right after two massive government outlays for "COVID relief" then yes, it did directly lead to runaway inflation. That's not even debatable anymore, it's simply factual. There's a bigger picture here, you have to take a step back and look at all of it. And heck, since we also had a spending bill that was labeled as "Inflation Reduction" bill, then it also begs to question whether what these spending bills are called are even accurate in what they do as well.

But to answer your myopic and purposely silly questions, spending on infrastructure, especially needed infrastructure, is generally good.

[Skjellyfetti]

[kalm]

“Infrastructure spending leads directly to runaway inflation”?

So many questions….

Should we wait for a recession before increasing spending on infrastructure? Defer maintenance and capital projects until the shit horse fan?

How about long term economic benefits from infrastructure spending? Do those counterbalance temporary inflation?

When you call something an infrastructure spending bill right after two massive government outlays for "COVID relief" then yes, it did directly lead to runaway inflation. That's not even debatable anymore, it's simply factual. There's a bigger picture here, you have to take a step back and look at all of it. And heck, since we also had a spending bill that was labeled as "Inflation Reduction" bill, then it also begs to question whether what these spending bills are called are even accurate in what they do as well.

But to answer your myopic and purposely silly questions, spending on infrastructure, especially needed infrastructure, is generally good.

Do you have numbers to support covid relief and infrastructure spending being the same and unnecessary?

[GannonFan]

When you call something an infrastructure spending bill right after two massive government outlays for "COVID relief" then yes, it did directly lead to runaway inflation. That's not even debatable anymore, it's simply factual. There's a bigger picture here, you have to take a step back and look at all of it. And heck, since we also had a spending bill that was labeled as "Inflation Reduction" bill, then it also begs to question whether what these spending bills are called are even accurate in what they do as well.

But to answer your myopic and purposely silly questions, spending on infrastructure, especially needed infrastructure, is generally good.

Do you have numbers to support covid relief and infrastructure spending being the same and unnecessary?

Of course I did, I've given it to you over and over again when you tried to pretend that Modern Monetary Theory on a grand scale wasn't an absolute disaster of an economic theory. Kinda the same way that you try to squirm away now from your defense of the same tariffs that Trump has disastrously tried to implement. It must really piss you off to hear so many other countries now clamoring for free trade. Search feature on this site works pretty well, have at it.

[BDKJMU]

Well, that infrastructure act under Biden was just one of many government spending blowouts that led directly to runaway inflation, which we are still recovering from, so I don't see how that can be considered a positive accomplishment. It was easily one of his signature failures.

As for Obama, recovery from the Great Recession was anemic at best - plenty of argument that the means of recovery were in place before he even took office and certainly the slow growth throughout the Obama years was nothing to put on a resume for an accomplishment. Agree that the Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, agree that the Dodd Frank reform was good, certainly agree that killing bin Laden was good. However, the Iran nuclear deal was always terrible - maybe it delayed Iran by a decade in terms of nuclear advancement, but with the money that it opened up to Iran it helped to finance their direction of Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis that lead to basically constant fighting in that region ever since. You can argue that what we're doing now is in response to the chaos that deal allowed to happen. And lastly, if Obama can be credited with making Trump decide to make a run in politics that too is a failure - doing something that's led to two terms of a Trump presidency cannot in anyway be considered a good thing.

I included the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act because it was somewhat of an investment in infrastructure which is much better than throwing money at things with little to no long-term return. Out of all of biden's (and trump's) contribution to runaway inflation it had more long-term benefits.

For Obama: I put a caveat on the recovery from the recession and a question mark after the Iran nuclear deal for good reasons.

The underlying point is that biden and Obama did have accomplishments just like trump has. I've given trump credit for what I think he's done well. Can CH or other MAQA yahoos say the same about biden or Obama? Yet, I'm the one who supposedly has _DS?

Lawl Biden’s 1.2 TRILLION pork laden infrastructure bill mostly threw $$$ at things with little to no long-term return. Even a friendly fact check acknowledged only 18% was for brick and mortar, and 38% could be called real infrastructure. The rest, like the New Green Scam, was a pork laden leftist wish list that just poured more gasoline on the inflation fire.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-doe ... ms-1647063

If the bill had just been the 450 billion (ish) that was real infrastructure, and had jettisoned the other 3/4 of a trillion, then there‘d be an argument it was a good long term bill.