2016 Republican Primary

[JohnStOnge]

And that was with a massive field of candidates.

Trump benefitted from that. He wouldn't be where he is right now if that hadn't been the case. Had it been a situation like it was on the Democrat side where the field was quickly winnowed to two candidates he would not be in the lead.

[93henfan]

And that was with a massive field of candidates.

Trump benefitted from that. He wouldn't be where he is right now if that hadn't been the case. Had it been a situation like it was on the Democrat side where the field was quickly winnowed to two candidates he would not be in the lead.

He'd be further in the lead.

[houndawg]

Any chance Sanders can be convinced to run a 3rd party campaign?

Trump started to sow the seeds for it Tuesday night.

Sanders sort of sounded like Trump today in Oregon, talking about the bad trade agreements that the US has with other countries.

More and more of Sanders rhetoric has become less focused on Clinton and more on the Democratic Party itself. Wouldn't it be interesting if Sanders goes into Philadelphia with say 1400-1500 delegates or so, releases them to Clinton and announces his intention to go third party "to give a voice to the millions who supported and donated to him in the primaries".


Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

That's actually Trump sounding like Sanders.

[DSUrocks07]

Trump started to sow the seeds for it Tuesday night.

Sanders sort of sounded like Trump today in Oregon, talking about the bad trade agreements that the US has with other countries.

More and more of Sanders rhetoric has become less focused on Clinton and more on the Democratic Party itself. Wouldn't it be interesting if Sanders goes into Philadelphia with say 1400-1500 delegates or so, releases them to Clinton and announces his intention to go third party "to give a voice to the millions who supported and donated to him in the primaries".


Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

That's actually Trump sounding like Sanders.

All the more reason to vote for him

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

[JohnStOnge]

Trump benefitted from that. He wouldn't be where he is right now if that hadn't been the case. Had it been a situation like it was on the Democrat side where the field was quickly winnowed to two candidates he would not be in the lead.

He'd be further in the lead.

No he wouldn't. You're just not being realistic. The only reason he got as far as he got is because there were so many candidates that split the vote. A number of the other candidates would have beaten him if they'd had him one on one from the start. There are more Republicans who DON'T want Trump to be the nominee than there are who do.

[93henfan]

He'd be further in the lead.

No he wouldn't. You're just not being realistic. The only reason he got as far as he got is because there were so many candidates that split the vote. A number of the other candidates would have beaten him if they'd had him one on one from the start. There are more Republicans who DON'T want Trump to be the nominee than there are who do.

If there was a person who more people wanted, they'd be in the lead right now.

Instead, Trump is crushing the field.

[JohnStOnge]

If there was a person who more people wanted, they'd be in the lead right now.

Instead, Trump is crushing the field.

You and Ibanez keep saying that. Again: In the last poll I can find showing the difference between what happens when Trump is evaluated with multiple people in the field vs. what would happen if it was just him vs. one other candidate, Trump was up on Cruz by 34% to 25% if all the Candidates are presented as options. But if the same people where asked who they'd vote for if Cruz and Trump were the only options Cruz was up on Trump by 54% to 41%.

I don't know what about what that says is so difficult for you and Ibanez to grasp. Trump has benefitted tremendously from not being isolated in a one on one contest such as has been the case in the Democrat primary from very early on.

Now Cruz still has to deal with Kasich still being in the race. That would not have made a difference in the Northeastern primaries. But it sure as heck will make a difference in Indiana.

[kalm]

If there was a person who more people wanted, they'd be in the lead right now.

Instead, Trump is crushing the field.

You and Ibanez keep saying that. Again: In the last poll I can find showing the difference between what happens when Trump is evaluated with multiple people in the field vs. what would happen if it was just him vs. one other candidate, Trump was up on Cruz by 34% to 25% if all the Candidates are presented as options. But if the same people where asked who they'd vote for if Cruz and Trump were the only options Cruz was up on Trump by 54% to 41%.

I don't know what about what that says is so difficult for you and Ibanez to grasp. Trump has benefitted tremendously from not being isolated in a one on one contest such as has been the case in the Democrat primary from very early on.

Now Cruz still has to deal with Kasich still being in the race. That would not have made a difference in the Northeastern primaries. But it sure as heck will make a difference in Indiana.

shouldnt Trump be doing far worse since the field has been reduced?

[93henfan]

You and Ibanez keep saying that. Again: In the last poll I can find showing the difference between what happens when Trump is evaluated with multiple people in the field vs. what would happen if it was just him vs. one other candidate, Trump was up on Cruz by 34% to 25% if all the Candidates are presented as options. But if the same people where asked who they'd vote for if Cruz and Trump were the only options Cruz was up on Trump by 54% to 41%.

I don't know what about what that says is so difficult for you and Ibanez to grasp. Trump has benefitted tremendously from not being isolated in a one on one contest such as has been the case in the Democrat primary from very early on.

Now Cruz still has to deal with Kasich still being in the race. That would not have made a difference in the Northeastern primaries. But it sure as heck will make a difference in Indiana.

shouldnt Trump be doing far worse since the field has been reduced?

Not in the parallel universe that JSO lives in, buddy!

[DSUrocks07]

Fact of the matter is is that more people like Trump more than any of the other candidates, I mean yeah if you put a gun to their head they would probably say would go for anybody else but Trump of course a lot of people going to say that. The problem for people like JSO is none of the other candidates are even more likeable than Trump.

Kasich has ZERO chance of getting the nomination. He barely has 150 delegates, yet he's STILL out polling Cruz at nearly a 2:1 ratio.

In all honesty, out of all the shitty options, Trump is still the least shittiest option for the GOP, AND despite what any national poll may claim, Trump IS their best option to go up against Hillary and changes the entire dynamic of the whole race.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

[93henfan]

The same dynamic will work for Hillary and Donald. All the blowhards will rally around them at the end.

Hillary the Cunt actually had a good stat in a speech the other night. She said that 40% of her supporters in 2008 said they wouldn't vote for Obama when she dropped out of the race. But, they got over the sand in their vaginas and voted for him anyway in November.

[kalm]

The same dynamic will work for Hillary and Donald. All the blowhards will rally around them at the end.

Hillary the Cunt actually had a good stat in a speech the other night. She said that 40% of her supporters in 2008 said they wouldn't vote for Obama when she dropped out of the race. But, they got over the sand in their vaginas and voted for him anyway in November.

Hillary is not nearly as charismatic as Obama was back then. Trump has her beat in that category too.

[Ibanez]

He'd be further in the lead.

No he wouldn't. You're just not being realistic. The only reason he got as far as he got is because there were so many candidates that split the vote. A number of the other candidates would have beaten him if they'd had him one on one from the start. There are more Republicans who DON'T want Trump to be the nominee than there are who do.

You're forgetting that people had a choice of all those other candidates. They didn't.

[houndawg]

That's actually Trump sounding like Sanders.

All the more reason to vote for him

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

all about sticking a thumb in the eye of the party establishments. ... maybe the best thing about Bernie's candidacy is the light it shines on the primary process and the Party thumb on the scale. Sanders/Trump on an independent campaign. They can afford it. The DNC can have an office next to the basement men's room. Trump would love being VP and is perfectly suited for it

[houndawg]

Fact of the matter is is that more people like Trump more than any of the other candidates, I mean yeah if you put a gun to their head they would probably say would go for anybody else but Trump of course a lot of people going to say that. The problem for people like JSO is none of the other candidates are even more likeable than Trump.

Kasich has ZERO chance of getting the nomination. He barely has 150 delegates, yet he's STILL out polling Cruz at nearly a 2:1 ratio.

In all honesty, out of all the shitty options, Trump is still the least shittiest option for the GOP, AND despite what any national poll may claim, Trump IS their best option to go up against Hillary and changes the entire dynamic of the whole race.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

I disagree - least shitty for the GOP is a brokered convention with Kasich as the compromise candidate who outpolls Hillary head to head. Donks are walking right into it.

[JohnStOnge]

shouldnt Trump be doing far worse since the field has been reduced?

The opposition is still split. And it's important. I would not have made a difference in the Northeastern primaries where he got more than 50% of the vote in each State. But from here on out it's huge. For instance, I don't think there is any way Trump would have a shot to win Indiana if it were just him and Cruz in the race.

As I wrote earlier, I would expect some bandwagon effect at this point. But you have to go back to the beginning. Trump built a substantial lead while the field was large. That poll I referenced was taken just before the day of the Florida primary where Rubio dropped out. The very same group of people in the sample that gave trump a nine percentage point lead over Cruz when all candidates were presented as alternatives gave Cruz a 13 percentage point lead if the two were matched one on one. And Trump enjoyed the benefits of that effect throughout the Southern primaries.

Now he's enjoying the benefit of Kasich being in the race in the extremely critical Indiana primary.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW I thought about another Trump lying pattern today. That's the thing where he's acting like what's going on behind the scenes in Republican conventions that would make it difficult for him to win if he doesn't win on the first ballot is due to Cruz or anybody else "buying votes" or "bribing" people. That's not what's going on and he probably knows it.

Like with the Louisiana convention that I happen to know about because my wife was involved. There wasn't any wining and dining or anything else involved. The reality is that people who are committed Republicans...people who really care about the principles of the Party and are into it on a day in day out basis...don't like Trump. Nobody has to wine and dine them. People show up as candidates to the national convention and the State Republican convention people just don't vote for Trump loyalists. There isn't any wining and dining. There isn't any "bribery." That stuff is just more of Trump lying and demagoguing.

It's all about people who really care about their party understanding that Donald Trump does not represent the values and philosophies of their Party and that Donald Trump becoming the nominee of their Party would be a disaster which would take many years to recover from.

[BDKJMU]

Violent liberals..
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMvYCGTIKk[/youtube]

[DSUrocks07]

Violent liberals..
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMvYCGTIKk[/youtube]

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

[YoUDeeMan]

JSO...you ignored this:

So, the Republicans that you hold up so dearly are basically a bunch of whiners and quitters.

If their (and he wasn't just a few months ago) darling Cruz isn't nominated, they'll just sit home and let Hillary take the election?

Wow.

Buh, bye, LOSERS.

The Republican party has an opportunity to be something on the national scene...but no...they'll just sit home and pout and let Hillary win. And that will do what for the party?

Yeah, JSO, and you say Trump is the immature, impulsive, petulant one.

What a JOKE the hard core establishment R clowns are!!!

[93henfan]

It's all falling apart for Lyin' Ted:

Cruz Delegates Waver as Trump Gains Momentum

“I think [last Tuesday’s vote] spooked a lot of people,” says Jim Poolman, a North Dakota delegate who had previously committed to a first-ballot convention vote for Cruz. “But I want to be clear, I think the will of the people does mean something, as well,” he says. “Donald Trump has gotten a lot of support across the country, and just [last Tuesday], winning five [states] is one heckuva showing.” Poolman now says he will opt to see how the remaining primaries play out, and is “not necessarily” a first-ballot vote for Cruz.

He’s not alone. Of the ten North Dakota delegates on the Cruz slate reached by National Review, five express serious reservations about backing the Texas senator on that crucial first ballot. “I have to admit I’ve been vacillating,” says David Hogue, a state senator and Cruz-approved delegate who insists he’s “firmly uncommitted.”

Dick Dever is also getting cold feet. “What I have said is I’m leaning towards Cruz, but I’m not committed to anybody,” he says. “And after [Tuesday’s vote], I think Trump has the momentum going forward.” Dever was impressed by the way Trump broke fifty percent in all five of last Tuesday’s primaries, after relying on pluralities to propel him to victory in previous contests. And he finds it just as telling that Cruz lost to John Kasich in all but one of those contests. “I think that was a real shift,” he says.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... nald-trump

[Pwns]

JSO...you ignored this:

So, the Republicans that you hold up so dearly are basically a bunch of whiners and quitters.

If their (and he wasn't just a few months ago) darling Cruz isn't nominated, they'll just sit home and let Hillary take the election?

Wow.

Buh, bye, LOSERS.

The Republican party has an opportunity to be something on the national scene...but no...they'll just sit home and pout and let Hillary win. And that will do what for the party?

Yeah, JSO, and you say Trump is the immature, impulsive, petulant one.

What a JOKE the hard core establishment R clowns are!!!

It doesn't freaking matter what the turnout of registered Republicans will be in a Trump-Hilldog race. It's going to be a bloodbath anyways.

And Cruz and Kasich voters aren't the people that made this race into a literal and figurative dick-measuring contest.

[YoUDeeMan]

It doesn't freaking matter what the turnout of registered Republicans will be in a Trump-Hilldog race. It's going to be a bloodbath anyways.

And Cruz and Kasich voters aren't the people that made this race into a literal and figurative dick-measuring contest.

Only the racists and misandrists have made, and will make, this election a dick measuring contest.

"She stands with us." "Trump's a racist."

Hook, line, and sinker. Low intelligence people are listening to sound bites and throwing out their hatred and intolerance disguised as the high road.

Funny...who are the ones committing most of the violence? Hillary's peeps.

FACT.

[93henfan]

15!

If we win Indiana, it’s over, OK?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trum ... 1462107603

[houndawg]

It's all falling apart for Lyin' Ted:

Cruz Delegates Waver as Trump Gains Momentum

“I think [last Tuesday’s vote] spooked a lot of people,” says Jim Poolman, a North Dakota delegate who had previously committed to a first-ballot convention vote for Cruz. “But I want to be clear, I think the will of the people does mean something, as well,” he says. “Donald Trump has gotten a lot of support across the country, and just [last Tuesday], winning five [states] is one heckuva showing.” Poolman now says he will opt to see how the remaining primaries play out, and is “not necessarily” a first-ballot vote for Cruz.

He’s not alone. Of the ten North Dakota delegates on the Cruz slate reached by National Review, five express serious reservations about backing the Texas senator on that crucial first ballot. “I have to admit I’ve been vacillating,” says David Hogue, a state senator and Cruz-approved delegate who insists he’s “firmly uncommitted.”

Dick Dever is also getting cold feet. “What I have said is I’m leaning towards Cruz, but I’m not committed to anybody,” he says. “And after [Tuesday’s vote], I think Trump has the momentum going forward.” Dever was impressed by the way Trump broke fifty percent in all five of last Tuesday’s primaries, after relying on pluralities to propel him to victory in previous contests. And he finds it just as telling that Cruz lost to John Kasich in all but one of those contests. “I think that was a real shift,” he says.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... nald-trump

Here it comes....