This shat just went next level

[travelinman67]

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[BDKJMU]

More analagous to us shooting down Iranian Air 655

Apples to Oranges. The year before the USS Stark had been attacked in the Gulf, hit by 2 Exocet anti ship missiles fired from an Iraqi Mirage. A few months before the Samuel B Roberts hit an Iraqi mine. That day one of the Vincennes hilos was fired upon by by Iranian speedboats. Vincennes made numerous attempts to contact the Iranian Airbus to no avail. Still screwed up, but it wasn't shoot 1st and ask questions later like yesterday. The rebels/Russians reportedly made no attempts to
identify/contact contact the Malaysian airliner before firing.

[CAA Flagship]

On September 5th, 1983, then President Ronald Reagan addressed the American public after the Soviets shot down Korean airliner KAL 007.

“My fellow Americans, I’m coming before you tonight about a Korean airline massacre. The attack by the Soviet Union against 269 innocent men, women, and children aboard an unarmed Korean passenger plane. This crime against humanity must never be forgotten.”

Compare the former president’s strong response to the current president’s line about the Malaysian airliner MH17 reportedly shot down by the Russians, believed to have killed 280 passengers and 15 crew:

“It is wonderful to be back in Delaware. Before I begin, obviously the world is watching reports of a downed passenger jet near the Russia-Ukraine border. It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy. Right now we’re working to determine whether there were American citizens on board. That is our first priority.”

President Obama then returned to his prepared statement on pitching more shovel-ready jobs to Americans. The contrast couldn’t be anymore clear.

[kalm]

On September 5th, 1983, then President Ronald Reagan addressed the American public after the Soviets shot down Korean airliner KAL 007.



Compare the former president’s strong response to the current president’s line about the Malaysian airliner MH17 reportedly shot down by the Russians, believed to have killed 280 passengers and 15 crew:



President Obama then returned to his prepared statement on pitching more shovel-ready jobs to Americans. The contrast couldn’t be anymore clear.

Shit! I completely forgot KAL 007!

[Grizalltheway]

Was that the one with Timothy Dalton?

[kalm]

Was that the one with Timothy Dalton?

No, I think that was "Taps".

[CAA Flagship]

Was that the one with Timothy Dalton?

No, I think that was "Taps".

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[DSUrocks07]

My guess:

Ukrainian black op gone bad. Wanted to shoot down Putin's plane. Got their times mixed up. Shot down the wrong plane.

It's funny how quickly the Ukrainian president came out and immediately declared it was a military attack...


Or even better, false flag. Like others have said, how technically efficient does one have to be to fire one of those missiles accurately?

[CID1990]

More analagous to us shooting down Iranian Air 655

Apples to Oranges. The year before the USS Stark had been attacked in the Gulf, hit by 2 Exocet anti ship missiles fired from an Iraqi Mirage. A few months before the Samuel B Roberts hit an Iraqi mine. That day one of the Vincennes hilos was fired upon by by Iranian speedboats. Vincennes made numerous attempts to contact the Iranian Airbus to no avail. Still screwed up, but it wasn't shoot 1st and ask questions later like yesterday. The rebels/Russians reportedly made no attempts to
identify/contact contact the Malaysian airliner before firing.

i dont even know why you responded to that ignorant comparison

[CID1990]

My guess:

Ukrainian black op gone bad. Wanted to shoot down Putin's plane. Got their times mixed up. Shot down the wrong plane.

It's funny how quickly the Ukrainian president came out and immediately declared it was a military attack...


Or even better, false flag. Like others have said, how technically efficient does one have to be to fire one of those missiles accurately?

only one problem with this scenario (well two)

first- separatist rebels were bragging on social media about shooting down a ukranian transport about the same time the airliner went down

second- it isnt even close to the simplest answer except that it would be a very convenient deflection from the russians

[Ibanez]

More analagous to us shooting down Iranian Air 655

Apples to Oranges. The year before the USS Stark had been attacked in the Gulf, hit by 2 Exocet anti ship missiles fired from an Iraqi Mirage. A few months before the Samuel B Roberts hit an Iraqi mine. That day one of the Vincennes hilos was fired upon by by Iranian speedboats. Vincennes made numerous attempts to contact the Iranian Airbus to no avail. Still screwed up, but it wasn't shoot 1st and ask questions later like yesterday. The rebels/Russians reportedly made no attempts to
identify/contact contact the Malaysian airliner before firing.

I'm making the assumption that the IFF system was either ignored or the operators didn't recognize it. Maybe the transponder interrogation was ignored. There's a lot of "if's".

[clenz]

My guess:

Ukrainian black op gone bad. Wanted to shoot down Putin's plane. Got their times mixed up. Shot down the wrong plane.

It's funny how quickly the Ukrainian president came out and immediately declared it was a military attack...


Or even better, false flag. Like others have said, how technically efficient does one have to be to fire one of those missiles accurately?

only one problem with this scenario (well two)

first- separatist rebels were bragging on social media about shooting down a ukranian transport about the same time the airliner went down

second- it isnt even close to the simplest answer except that it would be a very convenient deflection from the russians

It would be a convenient deflection.


Putan's plane on the same path less than 30 minutes before the plane that was shot down, supposedly.

If Russia set it up to be carried out that way I give them just a small amount of kudos for going way out of their way to set some good "false flags"

[Ibanez]

My guess:

Ukrainian black op gone bad. Wanted to shoot down Putin's plane. Got their times mixed up. Shot down the wrong plane.

It's funny how quickly the Ukrainian president came out and immediately declared it was a military attack...


Or even better, false flag. Like others have said, how technically efficient does one have to be to fire one of those missiles accurately?

only one problem with this scenario (well two)

first- separatist rebels were bragging on social media about shooting down a ukranian transport about the same time the airliner went down

second- it isnt even close to the simplest answer except that it would be a very convenient deflection from the russians

I thought about this. If the Ukrainians were attempting to shot down Putin, and succeed, then their problems just got more severe. Forget about pro-Russian separatists. You have the entire Russian Army poised to attach. And I have to believe the Russians wouldn't wait around for the UN or the US to stick their noses into the mess. They'd attack, and I would say it'd be justified.

For that reason, and the social media posts, that make the Ukrainian black-ops scenario less likely. To me.

[clenz]

only one problem with this scenario (well two)

first- separatist rebels were bragging on social media about shooting down a ukranian transport about the same time the airliner went down

second- it isnt even close to the simplest answer except that it would be a very convenient deflection from the russians

I thought about this. If the Ukrainians were attempting to shot down Putin, and succeed, then their problems just got more severe. Forget about pro-Russian separatists. You have the entire Russian Army poised to attach. And I have to believe the Russians wouldn't wait around for the UN or the US to stick their noses into the mess. They'd attack, and I would say it'd be justified.

For that reason, and the social media posts, that make the Ukrainian black-ops scenario less likely. To me.

However, Russia likely knew all of that.

They knew that they'd be able to spin it as an attempt on Putin gone wrong by the rebels which would allow them to be painted as the bad guys for taking out a passenger plane.

[dbackjon]

On September 5th, 1983, then President Ronald Reagan addressed the American public after the Soviets shot down Korean airliner KAL 007.



Compare the former president’s strong response to the current president’s line about the Malaysian airliner MH17 reportedly shot down by the Russians, believed to have killed 280 passengers and 15 crew:



President Obama then returned to his prepared statement on pitching more shovel-ready jobs to Americans. The contrast couldn’t be anymore clear.

And then did Reagan do as follow up??

[Ibanez]

I thought about this. If the Ukrainians were attempting to shot down Putin, and succeed, then their problems just got more severe. Forget about pro-Russian separatists. You have the entire Russian Army poised to attach. And I have to believe the Russians wouldn't wait around for the UN or the US to stick their noses into the mess. They'd attack, and I would say it'd be justified.

For that reason, and the social media posts, that make the Ukrainian black-ops scenario less likely. To me.

However, Russia likely knew all of that.

They knew that they'd be able to spin it as an attempt on Putin gone wrong by the rebels which would allow them to be painted as the bad guys for taking out a passenger plane.

What would Russia have to gain from that?

[travelinman67]

And then did Reagan do as follow up??

Crushed Russia's will and ended the Cold War.

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[mrklean]

Putin is a man and BrObama is his bitch for eternity.

WINNER, the first redneck to blame this on Obama........

[CID1990]

I thought about this. If the Ukrainians were attempting to shot down Putin, and succeed, then their problems just got more severe. Forget about pro-Russian separatists. You have the entire Russian Army poised to attach. And I have to believe the Russians wouldn't wait around for the UN or the US to stick their noses into the mess. They'd attack, and I would say it'd be justified.

For that reason, and the social media posts, that make the Ukrainian black-ops scenario less likely. To me.

However, Russia likely knew all of that.

They knew that they'd be able to spin it as an attempt on Putin gone wrong by the rebels which would allow them to be painted as the bad guys for taking out a passenger plane.

There's another dynamic to consider here-

One side (Russia) has the FSB- one of the finest, most fanatical and ruthless intelligence services in the world.

The other side (Ukraine) has something akin to the intelligence services of Fiji.

It isn't likely that Ukraine knows about Putin's movements that the Russians dont want the Ukrainians to know.

BUT- all this is likely moot, because again- separatist forces were bragging about shooting down a plane on social media right around the time of the airliner shootdown. There was no other plane shot down around that time or date. But I'm sure Spandos can help us out with the chemtrails angle.

[clenz]

However, Russia likely knew all of that.

They knew that they'd be able to spin it as an attempt on Putin gone wrong by the rebels which would allow them to be painted as the bad guys for taking out a passenger plane.

What would Russia have to gain from that?

A chance to be "justified" in being an aggressor from this point on.

[Bronco]

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[andy7171]

And then did Reagan do as follow up??

Crushed Russia's will and ended the Cold War.

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[HI54UNI]

And then did Reagan do as follow up??

Crushed Russia's will and ended the Cold War.

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Sometimes I wish this place had rep points!

[dbackjon]

And then did Reagan do as follow up??

Crushed Russia's will and ended the Cold War.

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[AZGrizFan]

Crushed Russia's will and ended the Cold War.

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Face it Jon, you walked into that one face first.