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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
I think you might be confusing YOUR point with THE point. :lol: I'll take a stab at yours though and guess that it's because they've been attacked with leaked snippets of information and feel it's time to let all their info out. I can only imagine why they wanted their testimony private in the first place (I'm guessing there are sound reasons) but since they're now asking for it all to be made public, who cares? (Other than those who don't want all the information out and tribalists). Sunlight is good.
Since you have apparently joined Jelly in being completely myopic about this entire thing-

and you are right - sunlight IS good - and you can refer to my other post that points out that the temper tantrum of an NYT article that you posted directly coincides with Fusion GPS losing their bid in court to keep their bank statements away from investigators

sunlight indeed - somehow I doubt you are going to be as enthusiastic about what gets exposed

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I enjoy your input for the most part but will reserve a dose of skepticism, thank you very much. :kisswink:
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CID1990 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
It's cool you and Nunes have a new hobby horse now.

Why aren't y'all still harping on the unmasking story? :coffee:
There's a whole slew of people picking up on the idea that there was misconduct at FBI -

but don't lose heart, Jelly.... misconduct at the FBI doesnt mean the Trumpers DIDNT do something wrong

The unmasking issue is still out there but it is small beans at this point

unlike your hobby horse, which was DOA the moment you started this thread

where's the collusion, Jelly?


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Collusion?..talk about missing the point...
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
There's a whole slew of people picking up on the idea that there was misconduct at FBI -

but don't lose heart, Jelly.... misconduct at the FBI doesnt mean the Trumpers DIDNT do something wrong

The unmasking issue is still out there but it is small beans at this point

unlike your hobby horse, which was DOA the moment you started this thread

where's the collusion, Jelly?


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Collusion?..talk about missing the point...
Don't tell that to the MSM...or jelly... :lol:
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Diane Feinstein releases Glenn Simpson's testimony in full. :coffee:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public ... dacted.pdf
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Diane Feinstein releases Glenn Simpson's testimony in full. :coffee:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public ... dacted.pdf
:clap:

:dunce:

TL/DR

Wait... let me guess

Fusion GPS CEO sez "my company is as pure as the wind driven snow and noble as the elk"

Here's something anybody with half a brain should know:

1) Don't fight land wars in Asia
2) don't eat yellow snow
3) Russians don't give info without compensation

WHERE'S THE COLLUSION, JELLY?
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CID1990 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Diane Feinstein releases Glenn Simpson's testimony in full. :coffee:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public ... dacted.pdf
:clap:

:dunce:

TL/DR

Wait... let me guess

Fusion GPS CEO sez "my company is as pure as the wind driven snow and noble as the elk"

Here's something anybody with half a brain should know:

1) Don't fight land wars in Asia
2) don't eat yellow snow
3) Russians don't give info without compensation

WHERE'S THE COLLUSION, JELLY?
Right there in number three, bubba. :coffee:

But you're still missing the point with such relentless determination that you must be doing it on purpose.

Like the Clinton's told you decades ago: IT"S THE MONEY LAUNDERING!

Your boss cleans money for the Russian mob when he isn't fellating Putin in front of God and everybody. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
:clap:

:dunce:

TL/DR

Wait... let me guess

Fusion GPS CEO sez "my company is as pure as the wind driven snow and noble as the elk"

Here's something anybody with half a brain should know:

1) Don't fight land wars in Asia
2) don't eat yellow snow
3) Russians don't give info without compensation

WHERE'S THE COLLUSION, JELLY?
Right there in number three, bubba. :coffee:

But you're still missing the point with such relentless determination that you must be doing it on purpose.

Like the Clinton's told you decades ago: IT"S THE MONEY LAUNDERING!

Your boss cleans money for the Russian mob when he isn't fellating Putin in front of God and everybody. :coffee:
Who's missing the point?

I'm sure somebody in this mess is laundering money

I'm also fairly sure Mueller will find it

and it will be as disappointing to you as it is everybody else

and it will be completely unrelated to "Hey Vlad, release the Kraken two days before the election!"

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Skjellyfetti wrote:Diane Feinstein releases Glenn Simpson's testimony in full. :coffee:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public ... dacted.pdf
Releasing the behind closed door testimony of an ongoing investigation. :?

Smacks of desperation...and lunacy. Good luck getting anyone else to cooperate. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:Diane Feinstein releases Glenn Simpson's testimony in full. :coffee:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public ... dacted.pdf
Releasing the behind closed door testimony of an ongoing investigation. :?

Smacks of desperation...and lunacy. Good luck getting anyone else to cooperate. :coffee:
They needed to get it out so the others involved can get their story straight before they have to testify.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Diane Feinstein releases Glenn Simpson's testimony in full. :coffee:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public ... dacted.pdf
9 hours, 300+ pages and it seems that most of the questions and follow ups are more about politics and political scoring and less about drilling down on potential interference.

I got through Page 50 so maybe in the other ~250 they ask questions. But based off what I heard on various news reports this morning - that's a no. 9 hours of wasted time.
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Taken from another site:

-7 references to "mafia" links

-20 references to Putin links

-Trump repeatedly said he and his buildings were worth less than people and agencies imagined

-the intelligence community seems to think Trump's being blackmailed

-the specific reason for the blackmail has to do with "Russians having cameras in all the luxury hotel rooms"

-Steele believed a "human source from inside the Trump organization" had already gone to FBI: "a voluntary source, someone who was concerned with the same concerns we had" (pp.175-6) - that being, that the now president was/is being blackmailed by the Kremlin. The FBI viewed Steele's info as credible because they already had the same info from a Trump insider. possible conflicting info about the source (the Australian diplomat may have been the source that opened the FBI investigation)

-on page 154, on Trump "However, he and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin"

-on page 242, Fusion believed because of their research Carter Page was compromised, and he was being offered business deals for his cooperation

-on page 279, Simpson said someone was already killed because of the information contained in the dossier

-on page 73, "So in the course of reading that litigation we would follow up on things that were interesting, such as a libel case against a journalist that he settled, which, in other words, he didn't prevail in his attempts to prove that he was a billionaire."

-on pages 71-72, "One of the things we found out was that, you know, when it comes to paying taxes, Donald Trump claims to not have much stuff. At least the Trump organization. So they would make filings with various state and local authorities saying that their buildings weren't worth much."

-on page 179, "Sometime thereafter the FBI -- I understand Chris severed his relationship with the FBI out of concern that he didn't know what was happening inside the FBI and there was a concern that the FBI was being manipulated for political ends by the Trump people and that we didn't really understand what was going on. So he stopped dealing with them." - this after a few pages of concern that the FBI was too pro-Trump

-on page 296, "Q. You had also mentioned earlier in the day work -- that there was an investigation about money from Kazakhstan?

A. Yes.

Q. And could you tell me about that and what you investigated and what you learned.

A. There was some parallel litigation in New York involving attempts by the government of Kazakhstan to recover money that had been allegedly stolen from Kazakhstan, billions of dollars in a colossal bank failure. The name of the bank was BTA Bank. It's been well established in various courts that the government's allegations are basically true, which is that large amounts of money were illicitly removed from this bank, laundered across Europe and into the United States apparently. Allegedly. So there was a civil case, at least one civil case in New York involving -- filed by the city of Almaty, A-L-M-A-T-Y, against some alleged Kazakh money launderers. I don't remember exactly how, but we learned that -- it wasn't from Chris. We learned that Felix Sater had some connections with these people, and it's been more recently in the media that he's helping the government of Kazakhstan to recover this money. There's been media reports that the money went into the Trump Soho or it went into the company that built the Trump Soho. I can't remember the name.

Q. So the connection in that instance was to Felix Sater and through Felix Sater to potentially to Donald Trump?

A. Yes. It was a company that Felix Sater and Donald Trump were involved in together."

-page 77, "We were interested in the fact that the Trump family was selling merchandise under the Trump brand in the United States that was made in sweat shops in Asia and South America -- or Latin America."

-page 79, "Trump had made a number of trips to Russia and talked about doing a number of business deals but never did one, and that struck me as a little bit odd and calling for an explanation."

-pages 287-288, Simpson calls Sarah Huckabee Sanders a liar for the fourth time about him being a solely democratic and partisan tool, confirms that he also investigated Obama during his campaign for senator while he was working at the Wall Street Journal.

-pages 151-152, "So I also knew -- or I formed an opinion or impression that the Russians were interested in making friends with the Republicans and that Paul Manafort, you know, there was this previous episode involving Paul Manafort, John McCain. So all of that was in my head when this came in which, as I say, tended to support the credibility -- the possibility that this information was credible." - Russians were feeling out the Republican Party, and John McCain in particular, as far back as 2008.
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∞∞∞ wrote:Taken from another site:

-7 references to "mafia" links

-20 references to Putin links

-Trump repeatedly said he and his buildings were worth less than people and agencies imagined

-the intelligence community seems to think Trump's being blackmailed

-the specific reason for the blackmail has to do with "Russians having cameras in all the luxury hotel rooms"

-Steele believed a "human source from inside the Trump organization" had already gone to FBI: "a voluntary source, someone who was concerned with the same concerns we had" (pp.175-6) - that being, that the now president was/is being blackmailed by the Kremlin. The FBI viewed Steele's info as credible because they already had the same info from a Trump insider. possible conflicting info about the source (the Australian diplomat may have been the source that opened the FBI investigation)

-on page 154, on Trump "However, he and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin"

-on page 242, Fusion believed because of their research Carter Page was compromised, and he was being offered business deals for his cooperation

-on page 279, Simpson said someone was already killed because of the information contained in the dossier

-on page 73, "So in the course of reading that litigation we would follow up on things that were interesting, such as a libel case against a journalist that he settled, which, in other words, he didn't prevail in his attempts to prove that he was a billionaire."

-on pages 71-72, "One of the things we found out was that, you know, when it comes to paying taxes, Donald Trump claims to not have much stuff. At least the Trump organization. So they would make filings with various state and local authorities saying that their buildings weren't worth much."

-on page 179, "Sometime thereafter the FBI -- I understand Chris severed his relationship with the FBI out of concern that he didn't know what was happening inside the FBI and there was a concern that the FBI was being manipulated for political ends by the Trump people and that we didn't really understand what was going on. So he stopped dealing with them." - this after a few pages of concern that the FBI was too pro-Trump

-on page 296, "Q. You had also mentioned earlier in the day work -- that there was an investigation about money from Kazakhstan?

A. Yes.

Q. And could you tell me about that and what you investigated and what you learned.

A. There was some parallel litigation in New York involving attempts by the government of Kazakhstan to recover money that had been allegedly stolen from Kazakhstan, billions of dollars in a colossal bank failure. The name of the bank was BTA Bank. It's been well established in various courts that the government's allegations are basically true, which is that large amounts of money were illicitly removed from this bank, laundered across Europe and into the United States apparently. Allegedly. So there was a civil case, at least one civil case in New York involving -- filed by the city of Almaty, A-L-M-A-T-Y, against some alleged Kazakh money launderers. I don't remember exactly how, but we learned that -- it wasn't from Chris. We learned that Felix Sater had some connections with these people, and it's been more recently in the media that he's helping the government of Kazakhstan to recover this money. There's been media reports that the money went into the Trump Soho or it went into the company that built the Trump Soho. I can't remember the name.

Q. So the connection in that instance was to Felix Sater and through Felix Sater to potentially to Donald Trump?

A. Yes. It was a company that Felix Sater and Donald Trump were involved in together."

-page 77, "We were interested in the fact that the Trump family was selling merchandise under the Trump brand in the United States that was made in sweat shops in Asia and South America -- or Latin America."

-page 79, "Trump had made a number of trips to Russia and talked about doing a number of business deals but never did one, and that struck me as a little bit odd and calling for an explanation."

-pages 287-288, Simpson calls Sarah Huckabee Sanders a liar for the fourth time about him being a solely democratic and partisan tool, confirms that he also investigated Obama during his campaign for senator while he was working at the Wall Street Journal.

-pages 151-152, "So I also knew -- or I formed an opinion or impression that the Russians were interested in making friends with the Republicans and that Paul Manafort, you know, there was this previous episode involving Paul Manafort, John McCain. So all of that was in my head when this came in which, as I say, tended to support the credibility -- the possibility that this information was credible." - Russians were feeling out the Republican Party, and John McCain in particular, as far back as 2008.
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Ibanez wrote: Source?
Most of em are citations of the Simpson testimony I posted earlier.
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Hmmm. Mueller investigating cyber crime? Fascinating.

Anyone know if Ryan K. Dickey is a Hillary-bot or not?
Mueller adds veteran cyber prosecutor to special-counsel team

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has added a veteran cyber prosecutor to his team, filling what has long been a gap in expertise and potentially signaling a recent focus on computer crimes.

Ryan K. Dickey was assigned to Mueller’s team in early November from the Justice Department’s computer crime and intellectual-property section, said a spokesman for the special counsel’s office. He joined 16 other lawyers who are highly respected by their peers but who have come under fire from Republicans wary of some of their political contributions to Democrats.

Dickey’s addition is particularly notable because he is the first publicly known member of the team specializing solely in cyber issues. The others’ expertise is mainly in a variety of white-collar crimes, including fraud, money laundering and public corruption, though Mueller also has appellate specialists and one of the government’s foremost experts in criminal law.
Dickey, who previously worked as an assistant U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia, has participated in a number of high-profile computer-crime prosecutions — including the ongoing case against the file-sharing site Megaupload and the investigation of the Romanian hacker known as “Guccifer.”

Guccifer, whose real name is Marcel Lehel Lazar, penetrated email, Facebook and other online accounts of celebrities and political figures, including former secretary of state Colin Powell, former Bill Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal and a family member of George W. Bush. His hacking inadvertently revealed that Hillary Clinton was using a private email account when she was secretary of state.

Someone using the moniker Guccifer 2.0 in June 2016 claimed credit for hacking the Democratic National Committee’s network, though the intelligence community later assessed that the Russian spy agency GRU had used the persona and two websites to release data hacked from the Democrats. Lazar had long been in custody by that time; he was sentenced in September 2016 to four years and four months in U.S. prison.
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Right there in number three, bubba. :coffee:

But you're still missing the point with such relentless determination that you must be doing it on purpose.

Like the Clinton's told you decades ago: IT"S THE MONEY LAUNDERING!

Your boss cleans money for the Russian mob when he isn't fellating Putin in front of God and everybody. :coffee:
Who's missing the point?

I'm sure somebody in this mess is laundering money

I'm also fairly sure Mueller will find it

and it will be as disappointing to you as it is everybody else

and it will be completely unrelated to "Hey Vlad, release the Kraken two days before the election!"

BTW - my "boss" is you and everybody else in the country


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CID1990 wrote:
Who's missing the point?

I'm sure somebody in this mess is laundering money

I'm also fairly sure Mueller will find it

and it will be as disappointing to you as it is everybody else

and it will be completely unrelated to "Hey Vlad, release the Kraken two days before the election!"

BTW - my "boss" is you and everybody else in the country


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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Right there in number three, bubba. :coffee:

But you're still missing the point with such relentless determination that you must be doing it on purpose.

Like the Clinton's told you decades ago: IT"S THE MONEY LAUNDERING!

Your boss cleans money for the Russian mob when he isn't fellating Putin in front of God and everybody. :coffee:
Who's missing the point?

I'm sure somebody in this mess is laundering money

I'm also fairly sure Mueller will find it

and it will be as disappointing to you as it is everybody else

and it will be completely unrelated to "Hey Vlad, release the Kraken two days before the election!"

BTW - my "boss" is you and everybody else in the country


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CID1990 wrote: Yeah well you had better hope I don’t work for any President

That’s how you get a Lois Lerner
Need more like Sally Yates. :thumb:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
CID1990 wrote: Yeah well you had better hope I don’t work for any President

That’s how you get a Lois Lerner
Need more like Sally Yates. :thumb:
She'd make a great Senator. :thumb:
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CID1990 wrote: Yeah well you had better hope I don’t work for any President

That’s how you get a Lois Lerner
Need more like Sally Yates. :thumb:
No, she was in it for Sally Yates, as well

But I’m not surprised (at all) by you
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Your time in Buddhaland has allowed you to achieve death of the federal bureaucratic Ego. You are one with the State. The State is you. There is no Cid. There is Federal Guvmint. :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Your time in Buddhaland has allowed you to achieve death of the federal bureaucratic Ego. You are one with the State. The State is you. There is no Cid. There is Federal Guvmint. :notworthy: :notworthy:
flaaaaail away, Russia Boy

I am one with no government

I'd jack somebody up for trying to abuse you as I would anybody else -

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This whole Russian thing has everybody on edge...
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Re: Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

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Ibanez wrote: Source?
Dossier was written by Christopher Steele, a former Brit spy. Which is now claiming that he wrote it based on "raw, unverified" intelligence.

So to recap, here is where we are at:
FBI/DOJ goes to FISA court to wire tap Trump tower for collusion and is rejected the first time.

Hilldog pays Fusion GPS (who hires Steele) to develop the dossier...

*now here is where it gets good depending on which narrative you want to believe*

FBI/DOJ use dossier to get the FISA warrant to wire tap Trump tower for collusion on the 2nd try...they get it...

or

...or the FBI used 4th hand collusion info from an Australian diplomat (who heard it from Popodapolus (sp?) while drunk at a bar, who heard if from a guy in London, who heard it from a Russian) to get the FISA warrant....they get it...


And somewhere along the way the hillbots on Muellers team are getting exposed left and right for anti-Trump biased sentiment.

Meanwhile that Putin puppet also known as Trump has begun implementing a very pro-Russian agenda such as selling anti-tank weapons to Ukraine, opening more oil producing areas to become more energy self reliant, and increase the strength of the military via more funding that isn't needed...oh wait, those aren't pro-Russian at all....

This whole saga of FBI/DNC/political elite corruption is awesome. Can't wait for the house of cards to come tumbling down and the subsequent meltdown on the msm. :rofl:
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Re: Сделаем Америку снова великой! Trump - Russia megathread

Post by Skjellyfetti »

Wow. :lol:

I don't know where to start. But, are Rosenstein and Christopher Wray Hillary-bots or Obama Deep State plants?
And, Trump was just too much of an idiot not to appoint them?

Or maybe other Deep Staters like McMaster convinced Trump to appoint them? :suspicious:
"The unmasking thing was all created by Devin Nunes"
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