2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

[Pwns]

Christine O'Donnell's long-lost liberal twin?

Interesting stuff, but I just don't think America's ready for a Wiccan president.

[Ivytalk]

Joe White and the 19 Dwarfs.

[JohnStOnge]

I like Harris, but her line last night about "not a food fight...voters want us to help them put food on the table" didn't sound great. She, and other Dems, are going to try this tact that the American economy is terrible and I'm not sure that's the reality. They'll need the kind of downturn JSO has been rooting for in order for the economic tact to really play in their favor.

They'll have a chance regardless because Trump is such a bad candidate. But an economic downturn would help. I think Harris was very disingenuous during her exchange with Biden. Nevertheless, if she gets the nomination and gets one on one with Trump in debates she will destroy him. Total mismatch.

Whether that means she'd win the election is another matter. Clinton clearly won all three of her debates with Trump and she did not win the Electoral College.

But Harris would make a complete fool of Trump head to head in debates.

[Chizzang]

I like Harris, but her line last night about "not a food fight...voters want us to help them put food on the table" didn't sound great. She, and other Dems, are going to try this tact that the American economy is terrible and I'm not sure that's the reality. They'll need the kind of downturn JSO has been rooting for in order for the economic tact to really play in their favor.

They'll have a chance regardless because Trump is such a bad candidate. But an economic downturn would help. I think Harris was very disingenuous during her exchange with Biden. Nevertheless, if she gets the nomination and gets one on one with Trump in debates she will destroy him. Total mismatch.

Whether that means she'd win the election is another matter. Clinton clearly won all three of her debates with Trump and she did not win the Electoral College.

But Harris would make a complete fool of Trump head to head in debates.

Nobody can beat Trump in a debate John... Nobody
He's completely pathological - therefore - is undeterred by facts

And his base is wildly uninformed and has no interest in facts either
He'll turn it into a sh!t-show and a circus and declare himself the winner



He's going to be around for another term
you might as well just settle in to the way tings are

[JohnStOnge]

Now to Harris and Biden: Biden tried to stand his ground but I don't think he did a good job of it. I say that having not watched the debate but instead having watched clips of pieces of the exchange.

Harris was disingenuous in referring to her own experience in being bussed. That was a VOLUNTARY bussing program that allowed minority students to be bussed to majority White schools if they WANTED to. Biden's opposition was to mandatory bussing.

Biden failed in, as far as I know, not pointing out that there are legitimate arguments that mandatory bussing is, on balance, counterproductive. A discussion of some of the arguments to that effect is at https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-ce ... eigh-cost/.

My own opinion is that Biden was right to oppose mandatory bussing ordered by the DOE. I think mandatory bussing is one factor in "White Flight" from urban centers. I think it's a factor in the "inner city" problems we have today. And it was wrong. I don't think there has ever been sufficient evidence that it improved outcomes for Black students. Meanwhile they were doing things like taking White kids in my State and bussing them to schools an hour away instead of letting them just go to their neighborhood schools.

It was an immoral policy and Biden should've been willing to go ahead and make the argument. My understanding that even a plurality of Blacks are against it.

[JohnStOnge]

Nobody can beat Trump in a debate John... Nobody
He's completely pathological - therefore - is undeterred by facts

Again: Clinton beat him all three times. No, she did not beat him in the minds of his "base." But his "base" is a minority of the population. She beat him all three times in the minds of the majority of the people who watched the debates.

[css75]

All the Democratic candidates being for free health care for illegals will not win them an election. Trump doesn’t have do a thing this campaign season, the Dems will do it for him.

JSO, be prepared for 4 more years.


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[JohnStOnge]

All the Democratic candidates being for free health care for illegals will not win them an election. Trump doesn’t have do a thing this campaign season, the Dems will do it for him.

JSO, be prepared for 4 more years.


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I am prepared for 4 more years as I recognize it as a reasonable possibility. But I think you are whistling past the graveyard if you don't realize just how reviled Trump is by a majority of the population.

I also think Republicans over estimate the potential effect of trying to cast Democrats as out of the mainstream. The Republican Party is more out of the mainstream of thought among United States citizens right now than the Democratic Party is. Right now, for instance, I think the majority of United States citizens are more put off by the Republican stance on illegal immigration than by the Democrat stance.

[Ivytalk]

All the Democratic candidates being for free health care for illegals will not win them an election. Trump doesn’t have do a thing this campaign season, the Dems will do it for him.

JSO, be prepared for 4 more years.


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I am prepared for 4 more years as I recognize it as a reasonable possibility. But I think you are whistling past the graveyard if you don't realize just how reviled Trump is by a majority of the population.

I also think Republicans over estimate the potential effect of trying to cast Democrats as out of the mainstream. The Republican Party is more out of the mainstream of thought among United States citizens right now than the Democratic Party is. Right now, for instance, I think the majority of United States citizens are more put off by the Republican stance on illegal immigration than by the Democrat stance.

Prove it, and show your work. This is an 8-Hour take-home.

[BDKJMU]

I like Harris, but her line last night about "not a food fight...voters want us to help them put food on the table" didn't sound great. She, and other Dems, are going to try this tact that the American economy is terrible and I'm not sure that's the reality. They'll need the kind of downturn JSO has been rooting for in order for the economic tact to really play in their favor.

They'll have a chance regardless because Trump is such a bad candidate. But an economic downturn would help. I think Harris was very disingenuous during her exchange with Biden. Nevertheless, if she gets the nomination and gets one on one with Trump in debates she will destroy him. Total mismatch.

Whether that means she'd win the election is another matter. Clinton clearly won all three of her debates with Trump and she did not win the Electoral College.

But Harris would make a complete fool of Trump head to head in debates.

Wrong.

[UNI88]

All the Democratic candidates being for free health care for illegals will not win them an election. Trump doesn’t have do a thing this campaign season, the Dems will do it for him.

JSO, be prepared for 4 more years.


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I am prepared for 4 more years as I recognize it as a reasonable possibility. But I think you are whistling past the graveyard if you don't realize just how reviled Trump is by a majority of the population.

I also think Republicans over estimate the potential effect of trying to cast Democrats as out of the mainstream. The Republican Party is more out of the mainstream of thought among United States citizens right now than the Democratic Party is. Right now, for instance, I think the majority of United States citizens are more put off by the Republican stance on illegal immigration than by the Democrat stance.

Trump isn't reviled by the majority of Americans. He's laughed at but he's not reviled.

And both parties are way out of touch with the mainstream.

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[kalm]

Who knew mayo was such a trigger?!

Gave up mayo when I found it's big brother, Kraft sammich spread.

Might go with Miracle Whip....

[kalm]

Joe White and the 19 Dwarfs.

Regarding Harris...

She’s preachy like Hillary. That might not keep her from winning the primary as the Democratic Party is heavily populated by women and woke men but it’s problematic in the general.

[SeattleGriz]

Joe White and the 19 Dwarfs.

Regarding Harris...

She’s preachy like Hillary. That might not keep her from winning the primary as the Democratic Party is heavily populated by women and woke men but it’s problematic in the general.

Preachy is okay, because WaPo was doing more hard hitting journalism and noted that Kamala wore black (actually navy) to the debate, and it was powerful.

[UNI88]

Gave up mayo when I found it's big brother, Kraft sammich spread.

Might go with Miracle Whip....

Yuck!

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[Ivytalk]

I am prepared for 4 more years as I recognize it as a reasonable possibility. But I think you are whistling past the graveyard if you don't realize just how reviled Trump is by a majority of the population.

I also think Republicans over estimate the potential effect of trying to cast Democrats as out of the mainstream. The Republican Party is more out of the mainstream of thought among United States citizens right now than the Democratic Party is. Right now, for instance, I think the majority of United States citizens are more put off by the Republican stance on illegal immigration than by the Democrat stance.

Prove it, and show your work. This is an 8-Hour take-home.

Time’s up. FAIL!

[BDKJMU]

Biden should just skip the next debate.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... ebate-poll

[Ivytalk]

Biden should just skip the next debate.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... ebate-poll

Trump laughing his orange ass off. If the leftists cannibalize Biden, there will be no one left to contend with The Donald.

Does anyone here see Caramel Harris, or Sacajawea, or Bernie, or Pedo, or Buttifugue, or Spartacus, or any of those other assclowns beating Trump? I don’t.

[Pwns]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/ ... ation.html

Stating the obvious in the title, but still a good read. I'm ready to start discussing a new way to pick candidates for the major parties or we're going to end up with crap candidates every election year.

[BDKJMU]

Biden should just skip the next debate.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... ebate-poll

Trump laughing his orange ass off. If the leftists cannibalize Biden, there will be no one left to contend with The Donald.

Does anyone here see Caramel Harris, or Sacajawea, or Bernie, or Pedo, or Buttifugue, or Spartacus, or any of those other assclowns beating Trump? I don’t.

One of Biden’s top financial campaign supporters is bailing.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/28/biden-l ... ments.html

[JohnStOnge]

They'll have a chance regardless because Trump is such a bad candidate. But an economic downturn would help. I think Harris was very disingenuous during her exchange with Biden. Nevertheless, if she gets the nomination and gets one on one with Trump in debates she will destroy him. Total mismatch.

Whether that means she'd win the election is another matter. Clinton clearly won all three of her debates with Trump and she did not win the Electoral College.

But Harris would make a complete fool of Trump head to head in debates.

Wrong.

Well, every scientific poll I'm aware of indicated that the majority of the People who watched each debate thought Clinton won. And that's where the winning and losing is in those political "debates."

I'm not the only one that says that. Here's one example of an article pointing it out:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hilla ... 2016-10-20

As for really winning on substance, I think she did that too. Trump is a buffoon. She was far more knowledgeable than him and it showed.

[CID1990]

Wrong.

Well, every scientific poll I'm aware of indicated that the majority of the People who watched each debate thought Clinton won. And that's where the winning and losing is in those political "debates."

I'm not the only one that says that. Here's one example of an article pointing it out:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/hilla ... 2016-10-20

As for really winning on substance, I think she did that too. Trump is a buffoon. She was far more knowledgeable than him and it showed.

She didn’t win the debates, John

She would have done better in the general ... and she might well have won the election if she had decided not to participate in any debates with Trump, and had instead spent that time campaigning in the rust belt.

Saying she won the debates is an exercise in idiocy because there is no real quantitative way to say it... it is based purely on opinions - you own as well as others.

Any serious candidate is a debate loser the moment they step on stage with Trump - for precisely the reasons you list. He isn’t just a buffoon. He makes buffoons out of anyone debating him (see Marco Rubio). That is particularly easy to do with someone who already has a mountain of ethical and dishonest baggage trailing behind her.

[JohnStOnge]

I am prepared for 4 more years as I recognize it as a reasonable possibility. But I think you are whistling past the graveyard if you don't realize just how reviled Trump is by a majority of the population.

I also think Republicans over estimate the potential effect of trying to cast Democrats as out of the mainstream. The Republican Party is more out of the mainstream of thought among United States citizens right now than the Democratic Party is. Right now, for instance, I think the majority of United States citizens are more put off by the Republican stance on illegal immigration than by the Democrat stance.

Prove it, and show your work. This is an 8-Hour take-home.

Here is one example: The Republicans think they can make hay over Democrats wanting "socialized medicine." But a solid majority of Americans support going to a singer payer system.

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-op ... -coverage/



I'd say the "mainstream" position is support for going to a system whereby all Americans would get their health insurance from a single government plan.

Then there's gun control. https://www.apnews.com/99e6a9b480a947eab6da194697b8a303.

Overall, 6 in 10 Americans support a ban on AR-15 rifles and similar semiautomatic weapons.

Immigration. Just Google "poll on border wall." The mainstream opposes it.

Abortion. Do I even need to do anything with that one?

Look, I do not favor a single payer system. I do not favor a ban on semi automatic weapons. I am VERY anti abortion. But the reality is what it is. The Republicans are doing pretty well right now in terms of relative position of power because of our system that allows for minority influence. There's the Senate. There's the Electoral College. There's the success they've had at gerrymandering.

But there is no question that they are the minority party in terms of public sentiment and in terms of positions on major issues. And I don't think it's all that close.

[BDKJMU]

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[CID1990]

I really hope Williamson stays in this race for the duration. She needs to be in every debate until the primaries. And then whoever wins needs to make her SecState

I want to have solstice parties and representational events for Beltain