Coronavirus COVID-19

[SeattleGriz]

Not sure how this plays out, but hope it doesn't end poorly.

Study performed on a Texas Federal prison outbreak of COVID is showing that after 4-6 months, the attack rate of Covid is essentially the same as being unvaccinated. Meaning, the vaccinated are infected with COVID at the same rate as the unvaccinated. (See table 2, Attack rate column for numbers 89 for vaxxed, 93 for unvaxxed)



https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/ ... 38e3-H.pdf

My point being that those in a healthcare setting are susceptible to the vaccinated bringing COVID into the facility. So do you force everyone to get a booster in perpetuity every 4 months?

I don't know what you're looking at but the study shows vaccines reduce the risk. Table 2 shows that the vaccines are effective.It shows a "significantly" lower attack rate (p = 0.002) for fully vaccinated subjects vs. unvaccinated subjects. Also, there is this comment in the discussion on page 1350:

Attack rates were higher among unvaccinated persons (39 of 42; 93%) than among fully vaccinated persons (129 of 185;
70%) (p = 0. 002)...

Look at the unvaccinated vs the 4-6 month vaxxed attack rate comparison. That is when the vaccine effectiveness starts to wane.

[GannonFan]

I don't know what you're looking at but the study shows vaccines reduce the risk. Table 2 shows that the vaccines are effective.It shows a "significantly" lower attack rate (p = 0.002) for fully vaccinated subjects vs. unvaccinated subjects. Also, there is this comment in the discussion on page 1350:

Look at the unvaccinated vs the 4-6 month vaxxed attack rate comparison. That is when the vaccine effectiveness starts to wane.

Well, what is the rate comparison, I don't want to wade through that gunk and I don't trust JSO with science or numbers.

[SeattleGriz]

Look at the unvaccinated vs the 4-6 month vaxxed attack rate comparison. That is when the vaccine effectiveness starts to wane.

Well, what is the rate comparison, I don't want to wade through that gunk and I don't trust JSO with science or numbers.

This was actually in the original post. Not being snarky with you.

Attack rate column for numbers: 89 for vaxxed (4-6 months after vaccination), 93 for unvaxxed

Shouldn't come as a big surprise as these studies are showing this all over the place and probably why Israel recommends boosters at 6 months.

[Gil Dobie]

Well, what is the rate comparison, I don't want to wade through that gunk and I don't trust JSO with science or numbers.

This was actually in the original post. Not being snarky with you.

Attack rate column for numbers: 89 for vaxxed (4-6 months after vaccination), 93 for unvaxxed

Shouldn't come as a big surprise as these studies are showing this all over the place and probably why Israel recommends boosters at 6 months.

4-6 months is a lot better for those at risk, as opposed to no protection unvaccinated.

I think the anti-vaxxers are too focused on covid cases, and the stats should focus on covid hospitalizations, vaxxed versus unvaxxed. This way we would know if the vaccine is actually protecting people against Covid.

[JohnStOnge]

I don't know what you're looking at but the study shows vaccines reduce the risk. Table 2 shows that the vaccines are effective.It shows a "significantly" lower attack rate (p = 0.002) for fully vaccinated subjects vs. unvaccinated subjects. Also, there is this comment in the discussion on page 1350:

Look at the unvaccinated vs the 4-6 month vaxxed attack rate comparison. That is when the vaccine effectiveness starts to wane.

Oh Ok. I missed the 4-6 months part. Supports the idea of having boosters. Hope the people with CDC and FDA who are resisting having boosters see that.

Also interested to see that Moderna showed up as the most effective of the vaccines. By chance that's what I got. I've been hearing that it is the best one. Also the most persistent.

[JohnStOnge]

I don't trust JSO with science or numbers.

You should. Do you doubt what I posted yesterday about the average death rate being higher in States that voted for Trump now? Do you doubt what I posted a few days about about there being a significant correlation such that States with higher vaccination rates having lower case rates?

What is something that I have posted with respect to numbers or science that you doubt? I'm sure there must be something I've been wrong about. Nobody is right every time. But give me an example of something I have posted with respect to science and/or numbers that you doubt.

[SeattleGriz]

This was actually in the original post. Not being snarky with you.

Attack rate column for numbers: 89 for vaxxed (4-6 months after vaccination), 93 for unvaxxed

Shouldn't come as a big surprise as these studies are showing this all over the place and probably why Israel recommends boosters at 6 months.

4-6 months is a lot better for those at risk, as opposed to no protection unvaccinated.

I think the anti-vaxxers are too focused on covid cases, and the stats should focus on covid hospitalizations, vaxxed versus unvaxxed. This way we would know if the vaccine is actually protecting people against Covid.

If I remember correctly, before the vax, you were all about case counts. But, you are correct. The vaxxed are being hospitalized and dying at much lower rates than the unvaccinated.

My point was that I hope we don't have an issue where a vaccinated healthcare worker unknowingly brings COVID into a facility. Those would most likely be the most susceptible to die if they contracted COVID.

Lastly, if you want the stats you are looking for, the UK has a fantastic weekly report. I've been following it because the UK is possibly experiencing where the US could be in a month or two.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... nce-report

[Gil Dobie]

I think the anti-vaxxers are too focused on covid cases, and the stats should focus on covid hospitalizations, vaxxed versus unvaxxed. This way we would know if the vaccine is actually protecting people against Covid.

If I remember correctly, before the vax, you were all about case counts. But, you are correct. The vaxxed are being hospitalized and dying at much lower rates than the unvaccinated.

My point was that I hope we don't have an issue where a vaccinated healthcare worker unknowingly brings COVID into a facility. Those would most likely be the most susceptible to die if they contracted COVID.

Lastly, if you want the stats you are looking for, the UK has a fantastic weekly report. I've been following it because the UK is possibly experiencing where the US could be in a month or two.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... nce-report

I don't remember being into the case count, but more the death count and deaths per million. Covid case counts and death counts have been proven to be inaccurate. Early in the Covid era, people were dying at a larger rate than previous years, but they were not counted as having covid, because nobody knew at the time. The video I posted shows this graph of the additional deaths during the covid era. What percent of covid cases have been hospitalized, I'm sure it's more than the 1% death rate.

[SDHornet]

Are the Anti-Vaxxers against all Vaccines or just the Covid Vaccines?

Since the jab isn't stopping transmission or infection, can it really be called a "vaccine" at this point?

[SeattleGriz]

Are the Anti-Vaxxers against all Vaccines or just the Covid Vaccines?

Since the jab isn't stopping transmission or infection, can it really be called a "vaccine" at this point?

It's more like a short term gene therapy, but we all know how calling it such would play out. Nobody would take it if the word gene was anywhere near the description.

Very much how like they drop the nuclear off of magnetic resonance imaging (MRI). Nuclear apparently scares the shit out of people!

Back in college days, we had an NMR machine on campus. It was used during our Organic chem classes and you didn't get to touch shit!! They of course didn't want the students touching what was probably a pretty serious cash outlay for U of M.

If you were wondering, it was used to analyze a liquid sample. From the little piece of paper it spit out for results, you could determine the chemical composition by where the "peaks" and "valleys" were located on the report.

Who da thunk flipping spin states could be so useful.

[Gil Dobie]

Are the Anti-Vaxxers against all Vaccines or just the Covid Vaccines?

Since the jab isn't stopping transmission or infection, can it really be called a "vaccine" at this point?

Vaccines provide a degree of immunity against a disease. They don't prevent transmission.

[SDHornet]

Since the jab isn't stopping transmission or infection, can it really be called a "vaccine" at this point?

Vaccines provide a degree of immunity against a disease. They don't prevent transmission.

Meh. If the China Virus was that big of a deal, or "not enough" people aren't vaxed, nurses wouldn't be getting laid off right now.

[Gil Dobie]

Vaccines provide a degree of immunity against a disease. They don't prevent transmission.

Meh. If the China Virus was that big of a deal, or "not enough" people aren't vaxed, nurses wouldn't be getting laid off right now.

Must be something they are saying on the MSM, but I have seen where a couple of NBA players are going to sit out home games because they are not vaxxed.

[SDHornet]

Meh. If the China Virus was that big of a deal, or "not enough" people aren't vaxed, nurses wouldn't be getting laid off right now.

Must be something they are saying on the MSM, but I have seen where a couple of NBA players are going to sit out home games because they are not vaxxed.

Probably because whatever city they are in won't allow them to play unless they are vaxxed. They'll probably lose that paycheck too.

[Ivytalk]

Meh. If the China Virus was that big of a deal, or "not enough" people aren't vaxed, nurses wouldn't be getting laid off right now.

Must be something they are saying on the MSM, but I have seen where a couple of NBA players are going to sit out home games because they are not vaxxed.

Dammit, Gil! You’ve just given that genius Ben Simmons another reason to get out of Philly!

[Ibanez]

Are the Anti-Vaxxers against all Vaccines or just the Covid Vaccines?

Since the jab isn't stopping transmission or infection, can it really be called a "vaccine" at this point?

Vaccines give our bodies the tools to fight an infection. Given that hospitalization rates and breakthrough cases are low - I'd say the vaccines are doing what they were designed to do. We can question how effective one is over another.

Besides - if MORE people had the vaccine we might see even LOWER rates of hospitalizations and breakthrough cases.

Vaccines have 71% effectiveness against transmission

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... sion-rates

[Ibanez]

Meanwhile - looking at the CDCs fact page for COVID really makes you disappointed in humanity. Our government has had to bust the following myths:

No. COVID-19 vaccines do not contain microchips.

No. Receiving a COVID-19 vaccine will not make you magnetic, including at the site of vaccination which is usually your arm. COVID-19 vaccines do not contain ingredients that can produce an electromagnetic field at the site of your injection. All COVID-19 vaccines are free from metals.

No. COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.

and my favorite....

No. Your menstrual cycle cannot be affected by being near someone who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... as%20fever.

[kalm]

Since the jab isn't stopping transmission or infection, can it really be called a "vaccine" at this point?

Vaccines give our bodies the tools to fight an infection. Given that hospitalization rates and breakthrough cases are low - I'd say the vaccines are doing what they were designed to do. We can question how effective one is over another.

Besides - if MORE people had the vaccine we might see even LOWER rates of hospitalizations and breakthrough cases.

Vaccines have 71% effectiveness against transmission

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... sion-rates

This is information everyone should know by now. Through Aug, 86% of hospitalizations were unvaxxed costing an estimated $5 billion in unnecessary spending. If you care about lock downs, the economy, and whine about mandates you should be pro-vax.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/bri ... f-dollars/

[SeattleGriz]

Vaccines give our bodies the tools to fight an infection. Given that hospitalization rates and breakthrough cases are low - I'd say the vaccines are doing what they were designed to do. We can question how effective one is over another.

Besides - if MORE people had the vaccine we might see even LOWER rates of hospitalizations and breakthrough cases.



https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... sion-rates

This is information everyone should know by now. Through Aug, 86% of hospitalizations were unvaxxed costing an estimated $5 billion in unnecessary spending. If you care about lock downs, the economy, and whine about mandates you should be pro-vax.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/bri ... f-dollars/

When under 1% of those who contract COVID require hospitalization, I tend to worry more about obesity and chronic illness causing more of a drain on our medical system.

People who simply won't make lifestyle choices need to be vilified!!

[SeattleGriz]

Seems Fauci want to follow Israel's lead.

You're not fully vaccinated until you get three shots.

[kalm]

This is information everyone should know by now. Through Aug, 86% of hospitalizations were unvaxxed costing an estimated $5 billion in unnecessary spending. If you care about lock downs, the economy, and whine about mandates you should be pro-vax.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/bri ... f-dollars/

When under 1% of those who contract COVID require hospitalization, I tend to worry more about obesity and chronic illness causing more of a drain on our medical system.

People who simply won't make lifestyle choices need to be vilified!!

We accept obesity and lifestyle. Covid is just piling on. The bastards.

[SeattleGriz]

When under 1% of those who contract COVID require hospitalization, I tend to worry more about obesity and chronic illness causing more of a drain on our medical system.

People who simply won't make lifestyle choices need to be vilified!!

We accept obesity and lifestyle. Covid is just piling on. The bastards.

True.

[Gil Dobie]

This is information everyone should know by now. Through Aug, 86% of hospitalizations were unvaxxed costing an estimated $5 billion in unnecessary spending. If you care about lock downs, the economy, and whine about mandates you should be pro-vax.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/bri ... f-dollars/

When under 1% of those who contract COVID require hospitalization, I tend to worry more about obesity and chronic illness causing more of a drain on our medical system.

People who simply won't make lifestyle choices need to be vilified!!

I thought it was less that 1% died from Covid, but it's actually closer to 1% in reality. I would like to see what percent is hospitalized.

[Gil Dobie]

When under 1% of those who contract COVID require hospitalization, I tend to worry more about obesity and chronic illness causing more of a drain on our medical system.

People who simply won't make lifestyle choices need to be vilified!!

We accept obesity and lifestyle. Covid is just piling on. The bastards.

There is more to it than obesity, otherwise half the population would be dead from covid. I presume Diet and exercise also come into play.

[Gil Dobie]

When under 1% of those who contract COVID require hospitalization, I tend to worry more about obesity and chronic illness causing more of a drain on our medical system.

People who simply won't make lifestyle choices need to be vilified!!

I thought it was less that 1% died from Covid, but it's actually closer to 1% in reality. I would like to see what percent is hospitalized.

My county is 5% hospitalizations, 1% deaths.