Gay football players....

[CID1990]

Source, Rambo.... source.

C'mon, Cid. Vietnam was the most publicly opposed war in US history. Are you really trying to deny that there were a LOT of people who did whatever they could to avoid being sent over there? Hell, even conk gun **** here Ted Nugent didn't put his money where his mouth was.

Go back, read what is being said, and then come back here and make your caveats.

Hint: nobody has said that Vietnam was not a wildly unpopular war. Start with Chiz's self admitted GUESS that 75% of all people in the military do not want to be there. Then, check out HD's mental diahrrea all over the message board which follows.

[houndawg]

C'mon, Cid. Vietnam was the most publicly opposed war in US history. Are you really trying to deny that there were a LOT of people who did whatever they could to avoid being sent over there? Hell, even conk gun **** here Ted Nugent didn't put his money where his mouth was.

Go back, read what is being said, and then come back here and make your caveats.

Hint: nobody has said that Vietnam was not a wildly unpopular war. Start with Chiz's self admitted GUESS that 75% of all people in the military do not want to be there. Then, check out HD's mental diahrrea all over the message board which follows.

Now, sidney, your insults are beginning to take a more personal tone.

[houndawg]

The dog is getting kicked, it's almost sad but it's so funny

L to R: CODPIECE1990, ALPACAJIZZ1

[89Hen]

The dog is getting kicked, it's almost sad but it's so funny

L to R: CODPIECE1990, ALPACAJIZZ1

Coming from you, that's funny. Nobody sucks off others on this board like you.

[houndawg]

Well if you really want to know, you'll have to come up with a less nebulous statement. Try to be specific and not speak in sweeping generalities and we'll go from there.

the claim is that 75% of people who join the military dont want to be there. you even claimed it was higher during vietnam, safe expert on the subject that you have established yourself to be

but the claim is still 75% and that will need to be sourced

and here's why you have no choice but to play your ridiculous play - because it CANNOT be sourced because Chiz pulled it out of his a$$. It was his opinion and you played bobblehead agreeing with him, and now you crapped the bed in the attempt

so for those keeping score

vietnam was an experience that you had to experience as a teenager watching the news in order to be an expert

the GI Bill was created as an enticement to service during vietnam

more than 75% of the people actually in the military during vietnam didnt want to be in the military

between 1964 and 1975 the US military consisted of 8.7 million service members. during the same period, the draft produced 2.2 million service members (SOURCE: Wiki) So we'll assume those 2.2 million didnt want to be in the military. AND we'll assume that another 2.2 million joined the air force and navy to avoid being drafted into the infantry. i believe that is a generous assumption. that brings us to 4.4 million, which is a very liberal estimate of that number of people who truly would have preferred to be sitting at home with houndawg rambo becoming couch experts on the vietnam war.

AT BEST that gets us to 50% during the vietnam war

i showed you mine, now show me yours, rambo

Rambo. Getting a little hot under the do rag, CID?


I can see why. It appears that your source is bullshit, as is so often the case with wiki.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/election ... raft_2.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"There were 26.8 million men who reached draft age between 1964 and 1973; 60 percent did not serve in the military."

Now we're up to about 13 million, counting the 2.2 million that joined other branches. (Your number though, so probably wrong, like the rest of your keyboard flatulence)


Poor ol' CID. Does his best to send a guy on a fool's errand and winds up looking like the kind of poor dumb goober that wears a confederate do rag and holds up signs at tea party rallies with the word "moran" in them. Ouch.

[houndawg]

L to R: CODPIECE1990, ALPACAJIZZ1

Coming from you, that's funny. Nobody sucks off others on this board like you.

Awww, hen, that's downright uncharitable.

[CID1990]

the claim is that 75% of people who join the military dont want to be there. you even claimed it was higher during vietnam, safe expert on the subject that you have established yourself to be

but the claim is still 75% and that will need to be sourced

and here's why you have no choice but to play your ridiculous play - because it CANNOT be sourced because Chiz pulled it out of his a$$. It was his opinion and you played bobblehead agreeing with him, and now you crapped the bed in the attempt

so for those keeping score

vietnam was an experience that you had to experience as a teenager watching the news in order to be an expert

the GI Bill was created as an enticement to service during vietnam

more than 75% of the people actually in the military during vietnam didnt want to be in the military

between 1964 and 1975 the US military consisted of 8.7 million service members. during the same period, the draft produced 2.2 million service members (SOURCE: Wiki) So we'll assume those 2.2 million didnt want to be in the military. AND we'll assume that another 2.2 million joined the air force and navy to avoid being drafted into the infantry. i believe that is a generous assumption. that brings us to 4.4 million, which is a very liberal estimate of that number of people who truly would have preferred to be sitting at home with houndawg rambo becoming couch experts on the vietnam war.

AT BEST that gets us to 50% during the vietnam war

i showed you mine, now show me yours, rambo

Rambo. Getting a little hot under the do rag, CID?


I can see why. It appears that your source is bullshit, as is so often the case with wiki.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/election ... raft_2.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"There were 26.8 million men who reached draft age between 1964 and 1973; 60 percent did not serve in the military."

Now we're up to about 13 million, counting the 2.2 million that joined other branches. (Your number though, so probably wrong, like the rest of your keyboard flatulence)


Poor ol' CID. Does his best to send a guy on a fool's errand and winds up looking like the kind of poor dumb goober that wears a confederate do rag and holds up signs at tea party rallies with the word "moran" in them. Ouch.

You really are a knucklehead, aren't you?

Nice try, but your attempt to obfuscate only works with people in your own gene pool.

The assertion is that over 75% of people IN THE MILITARY did not want to be there. Your figure above has absolutely nothing to do with that. The Wiki number reflects the people who ACTUALLY SERVED, which is pertinent to the original claim.

You understand the difference, or do I need to dumb it down more?

BTW- 13 million is not 75% of the number who actually served so your math is wonky. Keep trying to morph the original assertion all you want.

[houndawg]

Rambo. Getting a little hot under the do rag, CID?


I can see why. It appears that your source is bullshit, as is so often the case with wiki.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/election ... raft_2.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"There were 26.8 million men who reached draft age between 1964 and 1973; 60 percent did not serve in the military."

Now we're up to about 13 million, counting the 2.2 million that joined other branches. (Your number though, so probably wrong, like the rest of your keyboard flatulence)


Poor ol' CID. Does his best to send a guy on a fool's errand and winds up looking like the kind of poor dumb goober that wears a confederate do rag and holds up signs at tea party rallies with the word "moran" in them. Ouch.

You really are a knucklehead, aren't you?

Nice try, but your attempt to obfuscate only works with people in your own gene pool.

The assertion is that over 75% of people IN THE MILITARY did not want to be there. Your figure above has absolutely nothing to do with that. The Wiki number reflects the people who ACTUALLY SERVED, which is pertinent to the original claim.

You understand the difference, or do I need to dumb it down more?

And you're a poopy pants.

Go back and read it again. Chizz's assertion was that 75% of volunteers were there as a last resort, talking about currently. You said it wasnt that high even in Nam when there was a draft. I said it was higher back then. More than 75% of volunteers during the vietnam era joined to avoid being drafted, draftees being 88% of army riflemen and more than 50% of all army casualties.

60% of 26.8 million draft aged males from 1964-1973 did not serve in the military. 10.78 million did.

[CID1990]

You really are a knucklehead, aren't you?

Nice try, but your attempt to obfuscate only works with people in your own gene pool.

The assertion is that over 75% of people IN THE MILITARY did not want to be there. Your figure above has absolutely nothing to do with that. The Wiki number reflects the people who ACTUALLY SERVED, which is pertinent to the original claim.

You understand the difference, or do I need to dumb it down more?

And you're a poopy pants.

Go back and read it again. Chizz's assertion was that 75% of volunteers were there as a last resort, talking about currently. You said it wasnt that high even in Nam when there was a draft. I said it was higher back then. More than 75% of volunteers during the vietnam era joined to avoid being drafted, draftees being 88% of army riflemen and more than 50% of all army casualties.

60% of 26.8 million draft aged males from 1964-1973 did not serve in the military. 10.78 million did.

Keep trying HD.

You still aren't up to 75% of all people in the military not wanting to be there, in Vietnam or any other time. You can massage the argument all you want and you will never get there without a credible source, and none exists.

BTW 88% of Army infantrymen comes NOWHERE close to being 75% of the entire military during Vietnam.

[houndawg]

And you're a poopy pants.

Go back and read it again. Chizz's assertion was that 75% of volunteers were there as a last resort, talking about currently. You said it wasnt that high even in Nam when there was a draft. I said it was higher back then. More than 75% of volunteers during the vietnam era joined to avoid being drafted, draftees being 88% of army riflemen and more than 50% of all army casualties.

60% of 26.8 million draft aged males from 1964-1973 did not serve in the military. 10.78 million did.

Keep trying HD.

You still aren't up to 75% of all people in the military not wanting to be there, in Vietnam or any other time. You can massage the argument all you want and you will never get there without a credible source, and none exists.

BTW 88% of Army infantrymen comes NOWHERE close to being 75% of the entire military during Vietnam.

Nobody said they were, but you don't know because as you say,no source exists; while trying to pass off some bullshit wiki numbers as the gospel.

You have one trick. Change what somebody says and attack that with some false assumptions. Maybe its just the do-rag effect lowering your IQ. :ohno.

[CID1990]

Keep trying HD.

You still aren't up to 75% of all people in the military not wanting to be there, in Vietnam or any other time. You can massage the argument all you want and you will never get there without a credible source, and none exists.

BTW 88% of Army infantrymen comes NOWHERE close to being 75% of the entire military during Vietnam.

Nobody said they were, but you don't know because as you say,no source exists; while trying to pass off some bullshit wiki numbers as the gospel.

You have one trick. Change what somebody says and attack that with some false assumptions. Maybe its just the do-rag effect lowering your IQ. :ohno.

I used Wiki to get a number of total people who served in the military from 64-75. It really is a simple number, but it could be different on other sources. But calling it BS is just smoke an mirrors on your part.

I will accept ANY number you use from ANY source on the TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SERVED IN THE US MILITARY FROM 1964-1975 and you will never get to 75% of all service members during Vietnam not wanting to be in the military.

You are rapidly becoming the MPLSBison of this forum- changing the debate to fit the falsehood you put out there at the start.

[YoUDeeMan]

The military is certainly training people how to react, how to use weapons, etc - but largely they aren't teaching people how to think

I caught crap a few months ago posting the same thing...but it is true.

[OL FU]

OK I am confused. 75% of the military during the Vietnam war wanted to be in the military but they were gay or 88% of the military were gay but didn't want to be in the military or somewhere between 75% and 88% percent of the military were gay football players .

[YoUDeeMan]

Well I have a whole bunch more to say...
I've found (over the years) The psychologically FULLY INVESTED patriot isn't a particularly reliable source on matters such as these... there's a whole bunch of misplaced pride / Once you join the Military you become predisposed to defend that decision - very powerfully psychologically deep rooted defense of the decision to the point of complete and utter denial - It's like nothing I've ever seen really

You were a loner in high school weren't you?

Young males are pack oriented to the point of stupidity. Frat houses, football teams, gangs...you name it. It is all about misplaced pride, a predisposition to defend irrational behavior...everything you mistakenly attributed solely to the military. That behavior is indeed something most people have seen before...and is has been around since the beginning of time.

[YoUDeeMan]

The guy is such a hypocrite. He says he wants to be viewed as "just a football player" but then he was all set to do a documentary about being a gay football player.

Anyway, the documentary has been shelved:
OWN Postpones Michael Sam Docuseries
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-f ... ies-705082" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oprah...first raising gay hopes, and then crushing their dreams.

She used them...and then tossed them aside for the almighty dollar. Shame on her.

[kalm]

OK I am confused. 75% of the military during the Vietnam war wanted to be in the military but they were gay or 88% of the military were gay but didn't want to be in the military or somewhere between 75% and 88% percent of the military were gay football players .

Actually, I think it was 75% of Vietnam Nam era gay football players went undrafted.

[YoUDeeMan]

Im not the one who made a wild claim, nor am i the one who waded into the debate and doubled down on it.

You stepped on your crank, own it.

You said Chizz's 75% figure was way off. Source?

I say it was 3%. That is Gospel unless you find a source to prove it wrong.

Oh, wait...you suckle on Chiz's meat. That's why you don't ask for his source...you're tapping his source.

houdawg's response: yap, yap, yip, yip!

Good little houndpuppy.

[CID1990]

Well I have a whole bunch more to say...
I've found (over the years) The psychologically FULLY INVESTED patriot isn't a particularly reliable source on matters such as these... there's a whole bunch of misplaced pride / Once you join the Military you become predisposed to defend that decision - very powerfully psychologically deep rooted defense of the decision to the point of complete and utter denial - It's like nothing I've ever seen really

You were a loner in high school weren't you?

Young males are pack oriented to the point of stupidity. Frat houses, football teams, gangs...you name it. It is all about misplaced pride, a predisposition to defend irrational behavior...everything you mistakenly attributed solely to the military. That behavior is indeed something most people have seen before...and is has been around since the beginning of time.

What do you expect/

You're talking about a guy who has trouble understanding anything about militaries- ours or any other

He's even taken aback (ABACK, I TELL YOU) that the US Military <GASP> serves the interests of commerce (like every military ever)

[CID1990]

OK I am confused. 75% of the military during the Vietnam war wanted to be in the military but they were gay or 88% of the military were gay but didn't want to be in the military or somewhere between 75% and 88% percent of the military were gay football players .

Actually, I think it was 75% of Vietnam Nam era gay football players went undrafted.

I believe that would be two.

I don't have a source on that though

[YoUDeeMan]

Source, Rambo.... source.

C'mon, Cid. Vietnam was the most publicly opposed war in US history. Are you really trying to deny that there were a LOT of people who did whatever they could to avoid being sent over there? Hell, even conk gun fuck here Ted Nugent didn't put his money where his mouth was.

There were also a lot of people that wanted to go over there to kill gooks.

And then there were a lot of people that grew up believing the domino effect. Korea was only a decade (less than a generation) before, The Berlin Wall was new, The Cuban Missile Crisis was fresh in many people's minds, The Prague Spring was crushed in brutal fashion in 1968.

Sure, you had a bunch of hippies protesting, but you also had a lot of people who believed we needed to prevent the Commies from taking over the world (or at least impairing the American lifestyle, which all those carefree hippies enjoyed at someone else's expense).

In the end, America got tired of the body count (revived during Bush's wars, but somehow no longer reported by the media during Obama's wars)...but it took a while. And even then, as now, people sign up for the military.

Not cowards like you and houndpuppy, or smart people like Chiz*...but a lot of people still believe in fighting for 'Merica.


*"Smart" being relative...and also subject specific.

[OL FU]

OK I am confused. 75% of the military during the Vietnam war wanted to be in the military but they were gay or 88% of the military were gay but didn't want to be in the military or somewhere between 75% and 88% percent of the military were gay football players .

Actually, I think it was 75% of Vietnam Nam era gay football players went undrafted.

by the NFL or the GUBMINT